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Why do people care what chinese factories pay thier workers? Its a different culture over there. They just do things different...

Because these 25 cent an hour Chinese workers are replacing American workers. So far they took over 800,000 American Jobs.

I'm not really hard over on only buying american products, and I have bought things from Harbor Freight, but some here and on another recent thread on this box have rationalized that buying this box is good for our economy and supports US jobs. That sent me over the edge on this box.

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If you want the most bang for your buck, I guess you will go Chinese made on just about everything since no one can compete with China's 25 cent an hour wages. If this keeps up I wonder how long it will take before new American made tools aren't even available anymore.

Chris

Typically I take Mickey Os philosophy, Buy used US, or save for new US made tools. Thats for about 80% of my tools. 10% are german or quality import, and the rest are special use tools that I honestly can't justify spending the difference on a US made tool. I turn as a hobby and to keep my cars running so as long as the tool works Im good to go. That and a good brick and mortar location for service. Though now that CMAN quality is WAY down, I don't know what Im going to do for hand tools as I don't want an import on a trade in.

I get the most bang for my $ by going used US, but that doesn't help anyone other than me and the person selling.


Eventually the cheap foreign labor will be a wash when they start to fight for personal rights, proper salary, and benefits. It is happening in the tech world, and will spread. I just hope it happens sooner rather than later.
 

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I was in Sears today killing time and took a look at the boxes they offer. I think the Beenie Weinies that I eat come in a can that is thicker than the steel on those Sears boxes. I have a 41" Harbor Freight/Northern Tools box in the basement and the quality, fit, feel, steel thickness and sturdiness of that box outruns ANY of the ones at Sears (including the so called pro models).

Until the USA can get back to producing a GOOD product at a price point slightly higher than the foreign boxes, we will continue to lose jobs in this country. We cannot continue to compete with cheap feeling goods compared to the foreign made goods. Make a product that is AT LEAST as good or better, sell it at a fair price and see what happens.
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It seems the choice now is between using junk materials to get a competitive price or make a product that's maybe 5% better but charge 10x as much. Or my pet peeve of making it difficult to purchase due to segregating lines and territories.

Some people have their head buried in the sand calling everything made in China junk. A lot of it is, some of it isn't. There's a lot of US junk too. Berating someone for not wanting to choose between cheap US junk and super expensive US quality doesn't help anyone. Neither does buying old, used, worn-out goods and then having the company warranty them. There's something wrong with buying tools with three generations of use, breaking a handle, then using the "lifetime" warranty to get a new one. It hurts the company worse than if you bought it from HF.

If I have to buy a $100 US wrench when a $10 offshore one of equal quality would do, my rates have to go up. Maybe the guy that made the wrench is my customer. Now he has to get for a raise so he can afford my rates. Now the $100 wrench is a $120 wrench and the $10 one is still $10. You can't stop it. Like it or not, it is a global market. You have to be competitive where you can. If you can't, get out.
 

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Eventually the cheap foreign labor will be a wash when they start to fight for personal rights, proper salary, and benefits. It is happening in the tech world, and will spread. I just hope it happens sooner rather than later.

It might happen in a somewhat democratic country but China is a different story. It may happen one day after their version of "Glasnost" happens, but that seems far away. The Chinese have the people's thoughts and ideas in better check than the Nazis did in the 30's. Remember Tiananmen Square back in 89? Haven't heard many protests from that country since....
 

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...Eventually the cheap foreign labor will be a wash when they start to fight for personal rights, proper salary, and benefits. It is happening in the tech world, and will spread. I just hope it happens sooner rather than later.

Actually it did start happening. I cant remember where I read it, but some of the Chinese manufacturing jobs have started coming back to the US. I believe that recent pay increases to Chinese employees coupled with higher oil prices have made the manufacturing and shipping for some Chinese items comparable to the cost of manufacturing the item here.

Chris
 

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Because these 25 cent an hour Chinese workers are replacing American workers. So far they took over 800,000 American Jobs.

I'm not really hard over on only buying american products, and I have bought things from Harbor Freight, but some here and on another recent thread on this box have rationalized that buying this box is good for our economy and supports US jobs. That sent me over the edge on this box.

Chris

Again, I don't think it matters what a worker in China makes. If they paid their workers thousands of dollars a week, do you think it would take any less jobs from America? No it wouldn't. I do care that unions have conditioned the US worker to think he is "entitled" to something. He ha a RIGHT to work. And he has a RIGht to work under HIS OWN TERMS. We have been boned by the unions for so long that our jobs have no choice to move off shore, or be blead to death here by the unions. MHO...
 

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It seems the choice now is between using junk materials to get a competitive price or make a product that's maybe 5% better but charge 10x as much. Or my pet peeve of making it difficult to purchase due to segregating lines and territories.

Some people have their head buried in the sand calling everything made in China junk. A lot of it is, some of it isn't. There's a lot of US junk too. Berating someone for not wanting to choose between cheap US junk and super expensive US quality doesn't help anyone. Neither does buying old, used, worn-out goods and then having the company warranty them. There's something wrong with buying tools with three generations of use, breaking a handle, then using the "lifetime" warranty to get a new one. It hurts the company worse than if you bought it from HF.

If I have to buy a $100 US wrench when a $10 offshore one of equal quality would do, my rates have to go up. Maybe the guy that made the wrench is my customer. Now he has to get for a raise so he can afford my rates. Now the $100 wrench is a $120 wrench and the $10 one is still $10. You can't stop it. Like it or not, it is a global market. You have to be competitive where you can. If you can't, get out.


I have to admit that some of the Made in China stuff is pretty darn good now and it is not all junk. But, when your customer who makes the $100 wrench looses his job how much business is he going to bring you then? I guess your rates will have to go down dramatically to even stay in business because the guy in China isn't getting any cars fixed at your shop.

Chris
 

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Buy a used, american made snap-on, mac,cornwell, matco,craftsman box from an AMERICAN. Good deals are easily had if you pay attention, and proud quality to boot. these are easily found on craigslist or ebay. These chinese need to be boycotted for their slave labor, and destruction of the land they live on. Buy from a down and out mechanic here in the states, and help his quality of life. We are slowly being bought out by these Commies..If you buy one of these, go ahead and buy Rosetta Stone's Speak chinese computer program..off the soapbox now.....
 

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Actually it did start happening. I cant remember where I read it, but some of the Chinese manufacturing jobs have started coming back to the US. I believe that recent pay increases to Chinese employees coupled with higher oil prices have made the manufacturing and shipping for some Chinese items comparable to the cost of manufacturing the item here.

Chris

..along with the deflated value of our dollar.
 

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Again, I don't think it matters what a worker in China makes. If they paid their workers thousands of dollars a week, do you think it would take any less jobs from America? No it wouldn't. I do care that unions have conditioned the US worker to think he is "entitled" to something. He ha a RIGHT to work. And he has a RIGht to work under HIS OWN TERMS. We have been boned by the unions for so long that our jobs have no choice to move off shore, or be blead to death here by the unions. MHO...

Yes I do. People in this country are bargain shoppers and if Chinese items started costing more than American products, people would get the American product.

Chris
 

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Buy a used, american made snap-on, mac,cornwell, matco,craftsman box from an AMERICAN. Good deals are easily had if you pay attention, and proud quality to boot. these are easily found on craigslist or ebay. These chinese need to be boycotted for their slave labor, and destruction of the land they live on. Buy from a down and out mechanic here in the states, and help his quality of life. We are slowly being bought out by these Commies..If you buy one of these, go ahead and buy Rosetta Stone's Speak chinese computer program..off the soapbox now.....

I would love to see these deals that are so easy to find. I have been watching craigslist for 2 years and have only seen one of these so called deals with a 4-6 hour driving distance from me.

On topic I have had my HF tool box for about a year now and heres what I think:
Its built of nice heavy gauge steel and I have drawers loaded with all kinds of heavy pipe dies and it has done okay
For the price its a reasonable toolbox.
The slides ****, I have a Cman BB tool chest on top and there is no comparison for how much better the Cman slides.
If you have to move it around be prepared to put a new set of casters on it. Mines move able but it sure aint easy.
The finish ***** to look at but it seems reasonably durable.

Overall if you can find a used american made box for a comparable price don't bother with it but if you need cheap storage now its a pretty good deal.
 

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This is one of my first posts, I have been reading the archives of the tool discussion, and I am on page 450 right now. I wasn’t going to post anything until I have finished reading the archives, don’t want to get the dreaded “do a search” comments that so many people put in to a post when someone asks a question. I purchased a HF box, I did my home work, looked at the Craftsman boxes, can’t afford any of the truck boxes (even on CL the ones in my area are more than 4 times the price of the HF box). Comparing the offerings of HF and sears, the quality is comparable with the HF box being 40% less.

To make a long post short, Americans can buy foreign products and still be an American. I think the American way is to ***** about the competition instead of getting a competitive edge. I heard it from my dad about the POS made in Japan ****, and now look at the Japanese electronics, cars, (don’t say a thing about Toyota recalls, do we forget about the ford pinto, firestone/Bridgestone tires, the corvair, how about American beef with e-coli?) Now it is china, or Taiwan, or where ever imports come from next. So the next time you tell me to pay more to buy American ask yourself if you are willing to pay extra taxes to fund national health care to insure an American. I will get off my soap box now and go back to reading the archives, I have learned a lot from the people here, just getting tired of hearing the same thing about buy from this country and that.:thumbup:
 

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This is one of my first posts, I have been reading the archives of the tool discussion, and I am on page 450 right now. I wasn’t going to post anything until I have finished reading the archives, don’t want to get the dreaded “do a search” comments that so many people put in to a post when someone asks a question. I purchased a HF box, I did my home work, looked at the Craftsman boxes, can’t afford any of the truck boxes (even on CL the ones in my area are more than 4 times the price of the HF box). Comparing the offerings of HF and sears, the quality is comparable with the HF box being 40% less.

To make a long post short, Americans can buy foreign products and still be an American. I think the American way is to ***** about the competition instead of getting a competitive edge. I heard it from my dad about the POS made in Japan ****, and now look at the Japanese electronics, cars, (don’t say a thing about Toyota recalls, do we forget about the ford pinto, firestone/Bridgestone tires, the corvair, how about American beef with e-coli?) Now it is china, or Taiwan, or where ever imports come from next. So the next time you tell me to pay more to buy American ask yourself if you are willing to pay extra taxes to fund national health care to insure an American. I will get off my soap box now and go back to reading the archives, I have learned a lot from the people here, just getting tired of hearing the same thing about buy from this country and that.:thumbup:

So I see you're a professional photographer (from the link to your webite). Now I need some nice photos, I don't know what your fee is but the illegal alien photographer I found said he'll do it for half price (he can do it real cheap because he doesn't pay taxes, his equipment is stolen, and he's collecting welfare and food stamps) and I think his pictures look as good or better than your pictures. Any reason I should choose your company over the cheaper guy?
 
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I guess this country is doomed to get out of the manufacturing business all together because it is impossible for a decent paid american worker to compete with Chinas extremely low paid workforce, and low price-point seems to be the driving factor to american consumers. Wonder where the factory workers in this country will work when all the factories here close, and I wonder how it will affect our economy.

Chris
 

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So I see you're a professional photographer (from the link to your webite). Now I need some nice photos, I don't know what your fee is but the illegal alien photographer I found said he'll do it for half price (he can do it real cheap because he doesn't pay taxes, his equipment is stolen, and he's collecting welfare and food stamps) and I think his picture look as good or better than your pictures. Any reason I should choose your company over the cheaper guy?

I just went to his website (http://www.cmiphotography.com/index.html) and the second photo that pops up on the homepage says it all. It is a very powerful photo of an out of work american holding up a homemade cardboard sign that says "KOREAN WAR VET W/FAMILY LOST JOB NEED HELP" The way the guy is dressed he looks like he may have worked in a factory and his grizzled hands show that he definitely worked a trade. It looks like he may have a teamsters hat on.


mkirkpatrick, Can you post that photo here. I would have but I see your stuff has a copywrite. Did you get the guys story? Did his job move to China?

BTW, I have several close friends who are photographers and graphic artist and AV specialists, and IMHO your stuff looks pretty darn good.

Chris
 
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If you buy the used American goods you deprive work for the American harbor master directing in the ship, the American dockworkers unloading the ships, the American truck drivers transporting the items to the American warehouse with it's American workers, the American truck driver once again transporting the item that the American sales distributor ordered to the american run store which employs....Americans.

You gave money to one American for an item that lost any influence on employing Americans the second it left the store or tool truck.

Remember that when you stand so imperiously on your rickety soapbox and try to convince the world the sky is not blue. Suggesting one buy NEW American overpriced poorly made junk at least has merit, suggesting one serves some noble cause by buying it used does not.
 

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If you buy the used American goods you deprive work for the American harbor master directing in the ship, the American dockworkers unloading the ships, the American truck drivers transporting the items to the American warehouse with it's American workers, the American truck driver once again transporting the item that the American sales distributor ordered to the american run store which employs....Americans.

You gave money to one American for an item that lost any influence on employing Americans the second it left the store or tool truck.

Remember that when you stand so imperiously on your rickety soapbox and try to convince the world the sky is not blue. Suggesting one buy NEW American overpriced poorly made junk at least has merit, suggesting one serves some noble cause by buying it used does not.


That could just as easily be American harbor master directing the ship out with quality US exports, the American dockworkers loading the ships, etc.

Buying a used toolbox or tools in many cases means that the guy you're buying it from is buying a new more expensive US made toolbox or tools, there's plenty of merit in buying used.
 

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That could just as easily be American harbor master directing the ship out with quality US exports, the American dockworkers loading the ships, etc.

It could be, if the American companies hadn't cheapened their brands to the point where they were no longer worth a premium. I think most stopped buying American when the item with the sticker lasted half as long and cost twice as much as the item next to it on the shelf.

The American companies need to re-examine their business models. They need to accept that they cannot compete on price, and go back to trying to compete on quality.

I do not agree with buying used helping anyone but the two end users. I do not discourage it, however, in fact I have bought many used quality tools myself. I just don't fool myself into believing it is better for the economy than buying new junk. :beer:
 

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Again, I don't think it matters what a worker in China makes. If they paid their workers thousands of dollars a week, do you think it would take any less jobs from America? No it wouldn't. I do care that unions have conditioned the US worker to think he is "entitled" to something. He ha a RIGHT to work. And he has a RIGht to work under HIS OWN TERMS. We have been boned by the unions for so long that our jobs have no choice to move off shore, or be blead to death here by the unions. MHO...


I guess Rick Wagoner and Bob Nardelli were doing a great job right? It's just those damn evil unions got in their way. Please, you are very misinformed.
 

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Hey Mickey, that and every Uncle Joe with his new _____ (fill in the blank) digital camera. But instead of looking to contract with me, why don't you contact a photographer in the Chicago area, try to keep the money in your community. Any professional photographer that is going to try to compete against just price point isn't going to be around long, and he is doing a disservice to the entire industry. Thanks Chris for the compliments.
 
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It could be, if the American companies hadn't cheapened their brands to the point where they were no longer worth a premium. I think most stopped buying American when the item with the sticker lasted half as long and cost twice as much as the item next to it on the shelf.

The American companies need to re-examine their business models. They need to accept that they cannot compete on price, and go back to trying to compete on quality.

I do not agree with buying used helping anyone but the two end users. I do not discourage it, however, in fact I have bought many used quality tools myself. I just don't fool myself into believing it is better for the economy than buying new junk. :beer:

Not so long ago a guy bought my used car, I bought a new one, my new vehicle purchase was contingent on the sale of my old one. Of course buying used helps the economy, I don't have to fool myself into believing it, it's a fact, there is no doubt about it.
 

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Hey Mickey, that and every Uncle Joe with his new _____ (fill in the blank) digital camera. But instead of looking to contract with me, why don't you contact a photographer in the Chicago area, try to keep the money in your community.

I like that idea. But for discussion sake lets say I was out your way and that was the situation.


On a side note, those are some real nice pictures on your website, I like the "helmet reflection" one a lot, very cool. :thumbup:
 
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Honestly Mickey, if you where in my market and was just shopping price and just price, guess you would still be shopping, I have had it bite me in the a$$, my favorite is the, "hey if you give me a deal, I have more work I can throw your way" sure what ever. If you don't think that what I produce has value for the price I charge, sorry I am not lowering my prices, I hear Walmart photo gallery has a mean 3.99 package.
 

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If you buy the used American goods you deprive work for the American harbor master directing in the ship, the American dockworkers unloading the ships, the American truck drivers transporting the items to the American warehouse with it's American workers, the American truck driver once again transporting the item that the American sales distributor ordered to the american run store which employs....Americans.

You gave money to one American for an item that lost any influence on employing Americans the second it left the store or tool truck.

Remember that when you stand so imperiously on your rickety soapbox and try to convince the world the sky is not blue. Suggesting one buy NEW American overpriced poorly made junk at least has merit, suggesting one serves some noble cause by buying it used does not.

"Floriduh".....says it all.....
 

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I guess Rick Wagoner and Bob Nardelli were doing a great job right? It's just those damn evil unions got in their way. Please, you are very misinformed.

Both executives were prime examples of the worst the automotive industry barfed up in a long time (especially Nardelli).
Since this is a Tool forum, and we cant get enough of the Buy American theme, can I share a good tool/Buy American story?
I had a old Buck knife (warrantied for life). I went to their website, returned it per their instructions, and waited and waited. After the wifey sent some emails, we received an obviously crappy import Chinese replacement. Wifey was furious and sent them some ripping emails, quoting their website which touted their longstanding American history of knife making. She sent them to ALL the corporate people. Long story short, Im riding home on my Harley when my cell phone rings and a detailed message is left by someone claiming to be C.J. Buck himself (?!).
I called the number the next day and sure enough, it was him. We had a long conversation and he says my wife's emails got to him (he reads and answers emails!) and he agreed his grandfather would be ashamed knowing some of their knives are off-shore. He says they're working to bring'em all back. He was very gracious and genuine.
He says they are still privately owned and can do what they want.
He sent both of us beautiful, American-made, knives.
An Amazing executive in charge of an Amazing American company. :bowdown:
 

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MICKEY-O you are the man!!!!!!!!! im in your corner with the chicom ****.
and i hate when people blame this on unions. unions didnt ruin this countrys economy...corporate greed did
 

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I guess Rick Wagoner and Bob Nardelli were doing a great job right? It's just those damn evil unions got in their way. Please, you are very misinformed.

Everytime I read something about union workers I think about the jobs banks program. Unions badgering companys to pay laid off employees to do nothing.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/11/25/automakers-jobs-bank-program-pays-laid-workers/

Its going to be very hard for the unions to overcome their reputation for greed.
 

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One thing that has contributed to job losses here goes back to our decimating the rest of the manufacturing worlds factories during WW2. After that and all through the 50's we had the best work force and overbuilt factories. Everyone was able to rebuild, and we didnt have to for a while. Pretty soon, they had newer, better factories, and workers willing to do anything to get back o there feet. (Its China's turn doing this for now)

I have a toaster that was built after WW2. It is built like a tank. I paid $25 for it used 5 years ago. In 1950, when it was originally sold, it was $25, new according to an old magazine add. It looks like new and works like new today. It weighs 4x what a new one does. $25 in 1950 is $225 in today's money.

Does anyone here think that this toaster could sell in today's market to enough people to keep a factory making it? Walmart sells throw away toasters for $8.00, in today's money. That is less than $1.00 in 1950.

I dunno exactly what my point is, but sometimes it seems like we are still fighting to get back to an unrealistic 1950's economy.
 

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Everytime I read something about union workers I think about the jobs banks program. Unions badgering companys to pay laid off employees to do nothing.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/11/25/automakers-jobs-bank-program-pays-laid-workers/

Its going to be very hard for the unions to overcome their reputation for greed.

Look I'm not saying unions are perfect. They are far from it. But to blame the entire failure of manufacturing on unions is just flat out false. I know you've been fed that from someone else. It is a common scapegoat from executive Americans who failed at there job. Being that you linked Fox News is how I know that. "Fair and Balanced" Uhhhhh......sure I believe that.

Ford, now that they pulled their heads from there asses, is profitable and adding shifts and plants all while still being unionized. Most of the Toyota and Honda plants in the area pay very close to the old union scale with benefits. Yet their companies are still pofitable. How could that be. Good management and a good product. As far as greed I would think the last decade of our country is a great example of greed gone horribly wrong. Was it the unions? I don't think so, union membership is on the decline. Corporate America got their Bush tax cuts, Busted up the UAW,and trashed our economy in the name of greed. Of coarse you would have to think a little clearer and stop listening to Rush and Fox to find that out.
 

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It doesn't matter who you listen to. There is tons of info available about the Jobs Banks program and how union wages has contributed to the current crisis in manufacturing and the auto industry. The most positive thing that can be said about the current situation is the decline in union membership. I read one article that estimated union membership down 77% from what it was in the 50s. Corporations realize what a cancer unions are.
 

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It doesn't matter who you listen to. There is tons of info available about the Jobs Banks program and how union wages has contributed to the current crisis in manufacturing and the auto industry. The most positive thing that can be said about the current situation is the decline in union membership. I read one article that estimated union membership down 77% from what it was in the 50s. Corporations realize what a cancer unions are.

Being from the South with the anti-union mentality, it's understandable how people perpetuate the myth about how unions work and why they were created in the first place. The truth is that wages have little to do with the actual cost of an automobile. I know, you're gonna say that's impossible. But, as one who has developed budgets for the industry at one time, I can assure you that John Q. Public has little understanding of what actually entails making a car or truck. I dont to want to sound pompus but large corporations such as the Big Three have generated a large portion of this nations economy for years and years. People are quick to forget that both unions (like 'em or not) and those companies provided a stable, good standard of living for many hard working people. I guarantee you that the average person wouldn't have lasted a week in most automotive plants in the 70's.
I know, I was there.
 

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MICKEY-O you are the man!!!!!!!!! im in your corner with the chicom ****.
and i hate when people blame this on unions. unions didnt ruin this countrys economy...corporate greed did

Go to library or on-line. Get this book:

Amazon.com: Take This Job and Ship It: How Corporate Greed and ...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/031235522X/?tag=atomicindus08-20 - 318k - similar pagesAmazon.com: Take This Job and Ship It: How Corporate Greed and Brain-Dead Politics Are Selling Out America (9780312355227): Byron L. Dorgan: Books.

You probably wont be able to get through the book if you take any kind of daily blood pressure medicine.:mad: But, you'll learn something and be able, with confidence, tell all your friends and relatives exactly how corporate greed - sold - us - out.
CAUTION: This book will piss you off! :thumbup:
 

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People keep saying over and over and over that Chinese workers make 25 cents an hour, or work 120 hours a week for $1,600 a year. Making blanket statements like that just makes you look ignorant - because it isn't true.

Yes, there's abuse. Yes there are low wages. Yes, there are problems. It happens everywhere.

Are you aware that China is producing fewer and fewer clothes each year? There are countries that will make clothes cheaper. If you're wearing clothes from India or Pakistan, you're buying from people who underbid the Chinese. Get off your high horse if your clothes aren't made here. While you're at it, please help me find a good pair of American made boots with steel toes. And, no, Redwings moved offshore.

I work for a small business that makes some of its products here, and imports some from a factory in China. There's 20 people here who have jobs because we're selling and making stuff. 20 people who have health insurance. 20 people working in the worst economy ever. We tried to make our latest product in the US, but it simply wasn't possible. Couldn't happen - because we couldn't sell enough to pay for the tooling. The only options were not make it, or make it overseas. We make it overseas, and make money by selling it. It's not perfect, but it beats the hell out of my last 8 months of unemployment.

I've seen the factory. The workers start at 8:00 AM. They get breaks. They get lunch. They can live in the dorms. At quitting time, they get out their cell phones and start texting their friends. At 4:30, the day ends. There's no forced overtime. They work eight hours, plus a half hour lunch, and they go home. I wish I could get some overtime out of them, because they are behind on our orders.

8 hour days. Enough money to buy cell phones. Hmmmm. Sounds better than the slave camps some of you are describing. Have you been there?

China's not perfect, and they have a long way to go. However, it isn't the concentration camp some of you rant about daily. I'm sure those exist somewhere, but there are fewer and fewer of them.

God I hate these threads. Nobody is convincing anybody of anything. It's all just hot air.
 

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to the op. personally I would look for a quality used box before even considering a HF box. however I wrench for a living, take pride in my tools, and hate having to replace stuff because I cheaped out the first time. I have a few craftsman boxes I bought when I first started. They hold stuff and they dont have much resale value so Ive kept them. I still have them at home, but I have other quality storage at home also.

I picked up the middle blue box on ebay for $750. nobody wanted it because it was covered in stickers. the deals are out there you just have to be ready to pounce and be willing to drive alittle ways. I think my round trip was about 6 hours including load time and bullshitin time.
 
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People keep saying over and over and over that Chinese workers make 25 cents an hour, or work 120 hours a week for $1,600 a year. Making blanket statements like that just makes you look ignorant - because it isn't true.

Let me be more specific, I don't want to look ignorant. The data I used for the $1,600 a year actually came to $1,608 a year. See reference on this website. http://www.worldsalaries.org/china.shtml The factory workers are second up from the bottom. They make the equivalent of $134 a month in US purchasing power. I realize the data is a few years old, but it is what I have. The other references below have similar numbers, some are lower.


I had another reference that I used for the 25 cents an hour and the 80-120 hour workweek but I cant find it now. Here is another one on I just found that has factory workers working 16 hours a day 7 days a week for anywhere from 13.5 to 36 cents an hour. http://www.laboreducator.org/ltintn.htm

Disney: An Exploiter in China

Chinese factory workers who manufacture clothes, hats and shoes for the Walt Disney Co. are forced to work intolerably long hours for poverty-level wages, according to a report by the Hong Kong Christian Industrial Committee (HKCIC). After eight months of investigation, researchers found that factory managers routinely violate both Chinese labor laws and Disney's own Code of Conduct for Manufacturers on wages, overtime and contract protections.

Human rights groups say that conditions in these Disney factories need to be monitored by an independent agency if the abusive treatment of workers is to be rectified. The HKCIC report is based on interviews with dozens of Chinese workers from four factories manufacturing Disney products. Workers at one factory said that they regularly worked 16-hour days, seven days a week during periods of peak production, despite Chinese laws that limit the workweek to 49 hours. In one factory, workers couldn't afford to go home because they hadn't been paid for three months.

The HKCIC report states that at all factories, workers are forced to pay management "deposits" or "entrance fees" just to be able to work; at one factory. workers lost their deposit if they did not stay at a factory for at least two years; at another factory workers had to pay a "tool deposit."

At the four Disney factories, workers earn between 13.5 and 36 cents an hour, depending on their job and the production schedule; but workers must earn 87 cents an hour to meet the basic needs of a small family in a major Chinese city. The HKCIC report clearly demonstrates that Disney and other companies with manufacturing operations in China cannot be relied on to police themselves in regard to wages, hours and working conditions of their Chinese workers.

Here is an article on the current working conditions. Funny how most people are given the day off when the inspectors show up. (Did the place look half empty the day you saw the factory?)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/04/business/worldbusiness/04iht-sweatshop.4.9028448.html


Here is a good article on the current abysmal working conditions in China.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25567

Chris
 

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I like toolboxes. They hold my tools and keep them safe and keep them away from prying eyes.

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I bought 2 HF boxes and they serve me fine. Others on this forum feel very strongly that we should buy "american" like SnapOn. I think that is a hogwash comparison of apples and oranges and I refer you to this thread:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=57186


Is a Toyota Camry made in America by Americans with mostly American sourced parts still a Japanese car?

Is a Snapon, with Taiwanese parts and Asian steel, American or Chinese?
 

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I bought 2 HF boxes and they serve me fine. Others on this forum feel very strongly that we should buy "american" like SnapOn. I think that is a hogwash comparison of apples and oranges and I refer you to this thread:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=57186


Is a Toyota Camry made in America by Americans with mostly American sourced parts still a Japanese car?

Is a Snapon, with Taiwanese parts and Asian steel, American or Chinese?

The link didn't work for me.

Actually that UAW and Canadian equivalent websites have some Toyotas as preferred vehicles for people to buy because they are entirely or mostly made by american/canadian union workers so it is supporting our jobs and our economy. It may seem odd but some American cars don't make the list because of components and sometimes the entire car is made outside of the USA and Canada. My wife has an American made Toyota and I don't consider it a cheap car, I consider it a quality car.

I also have no problem buying something from Japan or any other country that doesn't have a staggering trade deficit like China, because the Japanese people buy allot of our stuff too. I thought that is the way trade was supposed to work, I buy your stuff and you buy ours. I have no problem with that, but the Chainnese are not buying allot of stuff from anybody else so our factory workers don't get the equivalent amount of work to make goods that will be exported to them.

I'm kind of disappointed at the Taiwan Snap-on slides. Shame on you Snap on!

Chris
 
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Is a Toyota Camry made in America by Americans with mostly American sourced parts still a Japanese car?

YES- its still a Japanese OWNED company and all profits go back to Japan- its a japanese car.




on that note, i like my HF toolbox and picked up another last night. Im making a workbench out of them so I dont want to spend thousands of dollars on a workbench.
 
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