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FMC1959

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I am looking for a used AC, 80 gallon with 15 CFM or better. I have often heard the latest Ingersoll Rand have cheap pumps made in India or other cheap parts to get them at entry level price points. Basically stay away from the entry level IR is the message I am getting. I have also heard that lately Quincy has been cheaping it out on the entry level stuff. Whether any or this concerning IR or Quincy is true, I do not know. I do know that the fight for market share does sometime make premium brands make cheap entry level stuff to get people to buy for the name, and the company increases market share.

Be it IR, Quincy, or any of the other big brands, how many years back would one have to go to make sure it was made solid when new? Like anything 2010 or prior made by a top brand should be good in 80 gallon?
 
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Maybe earlier than that, look on FB marketplace or Craigslist. Quincy, Saylor Beall, Kellogg American.
Basically you are saying at least 15 years or older? When we start hitting 20-25 years, shouldn't I be worried about the condition of the tank (mainly internally as the exterior should be apparent)?

80 gallon or larger, are the tanks thicker gauge than smaller consumer grade compressor tanks?

You don't mention IR; stay away unless higher model (someone said T-30 or higher)?
 

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Yes, you should worry about the condition of the tanks when they get that old. In my opinion, if you can't find one with a large bung low in the tank such that you can visually inspect and probe the inside of the tank, you should avoid it. I've made this mistake. I bought a used Sanborn for a song and thought I had scored until i started getting chunks of the tank to come out the drain (once I finally drained all the gunk out).

It wasnt worth the worry for me so I sold it to someone who wanted it for the pump/motor and bought a Bellaire made harbor freight compressor that was less than a year old.
 
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Anyone heard of a Dental-Air Systems compressor made by DeVilbiss? According to the guy selling it, it is a heavy duty system, strong motor, bigger pump...etc. It has a 230/115 Baldor motor, 12/24 amps, I think 60 gallon tank with auto drain system. He has no idea the CFM, but if it does minimum 15 CFM, are these good compressors?
 
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**** RANT - I can't believe how many ads, at least 90% or more give next to zero info. Some give how many gallons, which is OK but useless by itself. Others like to put HP, this is useless seeing how inaccurate the info is...about as helpful as the color of the tank. Voltage, Phase, single or 2 stage, these are rarely inserted.

I message or call people to get info, a good 3 out 4 have no idea what the CFM of their compressor is, or even what I am talking about when asking about CFM! When you buy a compressor, at least to me, the CFM is the most important, because if it can't run the tools you have or want to use....what's the point. Anyway, I could go on for a couple of pages on lame people are when selling stuff, but let's just leave it as "end of rant".
 
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I think you're putting way too much worry into this.


Made in USA... (exactly what does that mean I'm not sure) but it claims made in USA.

That said my suggestion to you is this. Keep it maintained and you'll get many years trouble free from it.

I get caught up in the whole made in USA thing too...possibly worse than most anyone including you....
But sometimes it's ridiculously impossible to just get a ______ fill in the blank exclusively made in USA.

Example...electronic ****. Good luck with that.

My Milwaukee grinder is a beast.
Made in the good old people's republic of...China. Does that piss me off? Yes. Is it the best grinder we have of that size? Without question.
Guess what...we need that grinder. No trouble in a decade plus....

We have an IR compressor. I don't know if it's India or not...it's a beast though and does great with sanders (the worst ******* air tool out there consumption wise). Very similar to the one listed. Might be the same thing.?.
It powers a 4 bay garage running air tools all day long.

I use 15w-50 full synthetic in it.
Mobil 1 or whatever and keep it changed.
It sits in it's own room and isn't heated.
It has thrown a breaker a couple times when its single digits outside but only if it sat without running all night long.
If i know it will be that cold i just leave it on. It will kick on and off periodically enough to keep the oil thin.

It has worked really well for us and get's used extremely hard.

Good luck!!!
 
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"I think you're putting way too much worry into this."...."I get caught up in the whole made in USA thing too...possibly worse than most anyone including you...."

First off, where do you get off saying that I get "caught up" in the whole made in the USA thing? I like things made in the USA, they are generally very good to top quality, but not a guaranty. I also like products made in Canada, Germany, Italy, France and other countries, also typically good to great quality, but no certainty of it.

I have also had my fair share of arguments that made in China, is not necessarily ****. In fact, They are a leading nation globally in electronics, nuclear power, advanced space program among other things. What we get imported is usually (but not always) ****, because that is what we want. The market wants the most for the least, which in turn forces companies to setup shop wherever there is cheap labor, to import back to us the cheapest price possible.

So, I never said that it has to be made in the USA. I have read on this forum as well as many others, that IR has been for many years making "****" for their lower entry level models, to grab more of the Campbell Hausfeld, Harbor Freight, and other cheaper brands that I have no idea what the numbers are, but suspect the entry level stuff has a large portion of the market.

If it is true that they make them cheaper, it does not mean they are all lemons, or any are really lemons. Maybe they won't go 20-40 years like what they used to make is the difference. Your IR is doing well, good for you.

I read on another thread that Quincy was following IR's lead, (I would suspect because IR maybe has had a slight uptick in market share) probably because they also want to grab some of the low end market.

Is it any different than BMW, Audi, Mercedes, all introduce these lower model lines that did not exist 20 years ago. Or when someone sees someone driving an A3, they make a comment to their buddy...."it's basically a Volkswagen but they stick some Audi badges on it, charge a couple of $$$ more, and the smuck gets to say he has an Audi.

I am not a know-it-all and typically seek advice and opinions, like on forums like this.

All my cynicism aside, I am looking for used, hoping for $600 or less, and wanting to avoid models that from what I have read, are being made cheaper in recent years.
 

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First off, where do you get off saying that I get "caught up" in the whole made in the USA thing? I like things made in the USA, they are generally very good to top quality, but not a guaranty. I also like products made in Canada, Germany, Italy, France and other countries, also typically good to great quality, but no certainty of it.
Right...you didn't specify USA...my bad... that said you're complaining of a pump IR is using with absolutely zero experience with it.
Moreover going on "i heard" will get you chasing your tail in a race with no other runners. It's like hearing Billy Joe Jim Bob Danny Frank say don't use ___ oil ...it will blow your motor up because frank who is cousins with vinny has a neighbor who heard his cousin blew is v8 up running that oil 🙄🙄🙄



I have also had my fair share of arguments that made in China, is not necessarily ****. In fact, They are a leading nation globally in electronics, nuclear power, advanced space program among other things. What we get imported is usually (but not always) ****, because that is what we want. The market wants the most for the least, which in turn forces companies to setup shop wherever there is cheap labor, to import back to us the cheapest price possible.
That's a topic I don't have the time to get into on the why. I could explain in about a full hour the problem..


So, I never said that it has to be made in the USA. I have read on this forum as well as many others, that IR has been for many years making "****" for their lower entry level models, to grab more of the Campbell Hausfeld, Harbor Freight, and other cheaper brands that I have no idea what the numbers are, but suspect the entry level stuff has a large portion of the market.
What you have there is label shock. It happens every single time a company known to have xyz COO all of a sudden starts using a part(s) from a lesser known place.

Think Milwaukee tools. People went ape **** when they started seeing Made in China on those labels. You know...how dare they!!!
Can I say that the Chinese Milwaukee grinder is inferior to it's earlier USA made version?
When they both keep working like they should how do you quantify such a thing then?
If you go off "i heard" and people pissed off they aren't USA made now...well then they'd never sell another tool. Truth is they sell them everyday and if the Chinese variety was that inferior to the USA version it wouldn't take long for people to flick their nose at them.


If it is true that they make them cheaper, it does not mean they are all lemons, or any are really lemons. Maybe they won't go 20-40 years like what they used to make is the difference. Your IR is doing well, good for you.
I don't have a personal love for IR or Tractor Supply but that model I showed you as example has 865 reviews on their site with an average score of 4.5 out of 5.
Factor in that there are some real clowns out there who don't know how to set things up...or neglect maintenance...
That's a pretty ******** remarkable score .... 4.5 of 5.0 from 865 reviews.


I read on another thread that Quincy was following IR's lead, (I would suspect because IR maybe has had a slight uptick in market share) probably because they also want to grab some of the low end market.
Again...if they're outsourcing a part (to their specs) to be competitve at a price point...and it works well for the duration with proper maintenance...so what. If it's truly junk(not sour grapes) ...it won't take long and their rep will be forever tarnished to a door closing level.

Is it any different than BMW, Audi, Mercedes, all introduce these lower model lines that did not exist 20 years ago. Or when someone sees someone driving an A3, they make a comment to their buddy...."it's basically a Volkswagen but they stick some Audi badges on it, charge a couple of $$$ more, and the smuck gets to say he has an Audi.
I've been in the auto business, repair, sales, dealership front and back, F&I... for nearly 30 years.
My response is...H U H?
These "lower" model lines have been around longer than 20 years.
Moreover they aaren't "lower" model lines.
The automobile "class" segment has driven this. 45 years ago what did you see? Big cars and some trucks. I say "some" because not many trucks back then. Nope. Forward to present and the 1/2 ton truck dominates the sales world. They are everywhere. What else do you see? Mid size cars, SUV's, compacts, CUV's, what's rare is now the big car.
Moreover an Audi is a VW but the Audi is nicer. Been that way for...ever. Lincoln was a Ford..but nicer. Cadillac a GM...but a nice one.
It would financial suicide to have all their very own exclusive parts, engines, transmissions, etc.
Audi does use some exclusive engines in their models where a VW doesn't exist. Like in the super cars. Bugatti has their own as well...but both under the VW flag.



I am not a know-it-all and typically seek advice and opinions, like on forums like this.

All my cynicism aside, I am looking for used, hoping for $600 or less, and wanting to avoid models that from what I have read, are being made cheaper in recent years.

I can't help you with a $600 tag but I can tell you my experience and for further reading 865 reviews of a particular model that you "read" someplace as a "cheaper" product with an average score of 4.5 of 5.0 ...again with 865 reviews.
P.s.
I didn't review it. That is not my thing. If I did I'd give it a 5.0

Good luck in your endeavor.
 

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Cannot tell you how far back to go to find an "All-American" compressor, but you can look for something in this age group and be confident it will fit your bill closely....

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First off, where do you get off saying that I get "caught up" in the whole made in the USA thing? I like things made in the USA, they are generally very good to top quality, but not a guaranty. I also like products made in Canada, Germany, Italy, France and other countries, also typically good to great quality, but no certainty of it.
Right...you didn't specify USA...my bad... that said you're complaining of a pump IR is using with absolutely zero experience with it.
Moreover going on "i heard" will get you chasing your tail in a race with no other runners. It's like hearing Billy Joe Jim Bob Danny Frank say don't use ___ oil ...it will blow your motor up because frank who is cousins with vinny has a neighbor who heard his cousin blew is v8 up running that oil 🙄🙄🙄



I have also had my fair share of arguments that made in China, is not necessarily ****. In fact, They are a leading nation globally in electronics, nuclear power, advanced space program among other things. What we get imported is usually (but not always) ****, because that is what we want. The market wants the most for the least, which in turn forces companies to setup shop wherever there is cheap labor, to import back to us the cheapest price possible.
That's a topic I don't have the time to get into on the why. I could explain in about a full hour the problem..


So, I never said that it has to be made in the USA. I have read on this forum as well as many others, that IR has been for many years making "****" for their lower entry level models, to grab more of the Campbell Hausfeld, Harbor Freight, and other cheaper brands that I have no idea what the numbers are, but suspect the entry level stuff has a large portion of the market.
What you have there is label shock. It happens every single time a company known to have xyz COO all of a sudden starts using a part(s) from a lesser known place.

Think Milwaukee tools. People went ape **** when they started seeing Made in China on those labels. You know...how dare they!!!
Can I say that the Chinese Milwaukee grinder is inferior to it's earlier USA made version?
When they both keep working like they should how do you quantify such a thing then?
If you go off "i heard" and people pissed off they aren't USA made now...well then they'd never sell another tool. Truth is they sell them everyday and if the Chinese variety was that inferior to the USA version it wouldn't take long for people to flick their nose at them.


If it is true that they make them cheaper, it does not mean they are all lemons, or any are really lemons. Maybe they won't go 20-40 years like what they used to make is the difference. Your IR is doing well, good for you.
I don't have a personal love for IR or Tractor Supply but that model I showed you as example has 865 reviews on their site with an average score of 4.5 out of 5.
Factor in that there are some real clowns out there who don't know how to set things up...or neglect maintenance...
That's a pretty ******** remarkable score .... 4.5 of 5.0 from 865 reviews.


I read on another thread that Quincy was following IR's lead, (I would suspect because IR maybe has had a slight uptick in market share) probably because they also want to grab some of the low end market.
Again...if they're outsourcing a part (to their specs) to be competitve at a price point...and it works well for the duration with proper maintenance...so what. If it's truly junk(not sour grapes) ...it won't take long and their rep will be forever tarnished to a door closing level.

Is it any different than BMW, Audi, Mercedes, all introduce these lower model lines that did not exist 20 years ago. Or when someone sees someone driving an A3, they make a comment to their buddy...."it's basically a Volkswagen but they stick some Audi badges on it, charge a couple of $$$ more, and the smuck gets to say he has an Audi.
I've been in the auto business, repair, sales, dealership front and back, F&I... for nearly 30 years.
My response is...H U H?
These "lower" model lines have been around longer than 20 years.
Moreover they aaren't "lower" model lines.
The automobile "class" segment has driven this. 45 years ago what did you see? Big cars and some trucks. I say "some" because not many trucks back then. Nope. Forward to present and the 1/2 ton truck dominates the sales world. They are everywhere. What else do you see? Mid size cars, SUV's, compacts, CUV's, what's rare is now the big car.
Moreover an Audi is a VW but the Audi is nicer. Been that way for...ever. Lincoln was a Ford..but nicer. Cadillac a GM...but a nice one.
It would financial suicide to have all their very own exclusive parts, engines, transmissions, etc.
Audi does use some exclusive engines in their models where a VW doesn't exist. Like in the super cars. Bugatti has their own as well...but both under the VW flag.



I am not a know-it-all and typically seek advice and opinions, like on forums like this.

All my cynicism aside, I am looking for used, hoping for $600 or less, and wanting to avoid models that from what I have read, are being made cheaper in recent years.

I can't help you with a $600 tag but I can tell you my experience and for further reading 865 reviews of a particular model that you "read" someplace as a "cheaper" product with an average score of 4.5 of 5.0 ...again with 865 reviews.
P.s.
I didn't review it. That is not my thing. If I did I'd give it a 5.0

Good luck in your endeavor.
I was having a miserable evening, so I blew out of context what you said. Not that I agree with everything you pointed out, I'll just simply leave it has thanks for your opinion and advice :)
 
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Cannot tell you how far back to go to find an "All-American" compressor, but you can look for something in this age group and be confident it will fit your bill closely....

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Thanks for this...and BTW, I am not necessarily looking for an all American made compressor, but just a head's up when a company made a change, be it outsourced or even in house change, which really lessened the quality. Thanks
 

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Thanks for this...and BTW, I am not necessarily looking for an all American made compressor, but just a head's up when a company made a change, be it outsourced or even in house change, which really lessened the quality. Thanks
If you were to date that I'd guess in the 60's to 70's.


"Thanks for this...and BTW, I am not necessarily looking for an all American made compressor, but just a head's up when a company made a change, be it outsourced or even in house change, which really lessened the quality. Thanks"

I just showed you an example of 865 positive reviews of a product you've no experience with...only what you read or heard and the tool world goes ape **** when a company switches COO away from USA

I echo again x100...the tool world is a passionate one.
If something isn't USA or German immediately people get this perception it's junk.
It's even worse when something used to be USA or German and is now Asian.
That ***** alright but...proof is in the performance.
I showed you the Milwaukee brand as example.
If a compressor from India is doing what it needs to do and has an expectancy of 15,000 hours of run time...that's pretty solid.

A quote from IR of that compressor from India

"Cast-iron construction of the air compressor extends the life of the pump over 15,000 hours"

Let's say you run that pump 1 hour every day...(which is a lot of run time)

That's over 41 years of service. 😯

Something else will arise before that happens.

Now I wanted to add.

If you really want to know if a company is going into the red-light district...
In other words whoring themselves out...
Look at the accessories they offer. That's what makes fast money for companies.

Campbell Hausfeld is a great example of this...
All the little accessories they sell are all Chinese made junk. Blow guns to regulators. It's junk. It's nickel and dime ******** that's garbage.
Maybe it lasts..maybe not.
But they offer up all sorts of trinkets trying to hit an ultra low price point. Harbor Freight style.
 
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