Using an ATV winch as a hoist?

[jhelrey]

If y'all watch Whistling Diesel on Youtube... You'd know you can use a winch as a hoist!

 

[LS6 Tommy]

A winch is rated for rolling weight not lifting.

That's what I always thought..

That makes three of us...

Tommy

 

[kelpaso1]

Eh, Darwin will take care of the those who would use a winch as a hoist. A HF or PA hoist is the right tool. Why someone would jack together a winch set up as a hoist is a fool.

 

[zak77]

Keep in mind that some winch stats arent going to deliver what they state at all times. I have a Champion 2k winch that when maxed out couldnt break a line rated for 600lbs. I did end up snapping the line using my atv so im sure the rating was relatively accurate. The battery it was hooked up to had plenty of power so it wasnt weak and there was nothing else impeding it. So upgrade your winch to more than what you think you need.

 

[nadogail]

Winches are Winches, Winches are not Hoists.

IMHO, you can take the above to the bank.

 

[dogdog]

"I don't know about other hoist... the 440LB and 800LB ones from HF came with the pulley hook for the load. "

DogDog, they all do; I have an 880, 1100, 1300 (2) and 2 2000's (Cranky old fart, multiple areas and tired of paying for pleasure with PAIN)- every one came with a ****** block, and every one is RATED ONLY with that ****** block.

Without the block, the 880 is a 440, etc. Also, given my confidence in Chicom stuff I tend to divide ANY of their ratings by at least two ... Steve

The cable size is different on them... 440 800 or that larger ones
Yup Thanks for the words..never get those words into my mind . ****** Block have different rollers for cable sizes. ... they used to sell separate ****** blocks for about $8.. now they have been discontinued.

 

[DeeKay]

I thought we were just talking about mechanical advantage and pulley systems.
Hell I wouldn't trust harbor freight for anything over-head whether it's a winch OR a hoist.

 

[Don1357]

I thought we were just talking about mechanical advantage and pulley systems.
Hell I wouldn't trust harbor freight for anything over-head whether it's a winch OR a hoist.

They are afraid of liability like anybody else which is what keeps them honest. Besides the sensible thing to do is to over engineer your solutions: I needed to be able to hoist around 600 pounds so their chain 1 ton hoist is perfect for that application. I'll never be anywhere near the rated 2,000 pounds it is supposed to be able to do and if I needed to get there, I would install their 4,000# rated hoist.

 

[DeeKay]

They are afraid of liability like anybody else which is what keeps them honest. Besides the sensible thing to do is to over engineer your solutions: I needed to be able to hoist around 600 pounds so their chain 1 ton hoist is perfect for that application. I'll never be anywhere near the rated 2,000 pounds it is supposed to be able to do and if I needed to get there, I would install their 4,000# rated hoist.

I get what you're sayin, and agree, at 30% "rated" load you're probably totally safe. but they don't even list any Standards organization classification in any of their specs which leads me to believe that these things don't actually meet any particular standard.....I know it's not apples to apples but it's Kind of like when air compressors say SUPER POWERFUL 5HP MOTOR!!! when in reality it's more like a 1.5HP motor.

To each their own but I don't put overhead loads to chance.

 

[dogdog]

I thought we were just talking about mechanical advantage and pulley systems.
Hell I wouldn't trust harbor freight for anything over-head whether it's a winch OR a hoist.

LOL... I'll trust HF hoist over a winch pretending to be a hoist. Talking about delusional safety.

besides that point, I think this thread title is still "Re: Using an ATV winch as a hoist?"

 

[nealric]

I use the cheap HF ATV winch as a hoist for a hardtop that weighs about 40lbs. Once it's up, it is clipped into a rope that holds the weight when not in use. That's about as much as I'd be willing to lift with it.

 

[DeeKay]

LOL... I'll trust HF hoist over a winch pretending to be a hoist. Talking about delusional safety.

besides that point, I think this thread title is still "Re: Using an ATV winch as a hoist?"

Please explain how I'm being delusional for not trusting HF for overhead loads?

 

[Don1357]

Please explain how I'm being delusional for not trusting HF for overhead loads?

The full statement is not about the overall trust worthiness of a HF hoist, is trusting a winch not designed for overhead loads over a tool specifically designed for overhead loads.

 

[finn]

They are afraid of liability like anybody else which is what keeps them honest. Besides the sensible thing to do is to over engineer your solutions: I needed to be able to hoist around 600 pounds so their chain 1 ton hoist is perfect for that application. I'll never be anywhere near the rated 2,000 pounds it is supposed to be able to do and if I needed to get there, I would install their 4,000# rated hoist.

Far from over engineering, you aren’t doing any engineering at all if you are cobbling a winch, with no brake or method of keeping the cable from freespooling and dropping the load in the event of a failure.

Engineering is a science that includes such nuances as fmea (failure mode and effect analysis) in any design.

Building it hell for stout isn’t in any stretch of the imagination the same as engineering.

 

[BigGarage]

I mounted an 8' I-Beam in my rafters and then put a trolley on it and then a 1000 lb. limit hoist. It works great for the snowblower, propane tanks, cast iron tub, antique stove. and anything I've ever attempted to lift. It has a circuit breaker that will trip if overloaded. That only happened once, with an antique stove that tested it's limits. I just kept resetting the breaker and got the stove up there.

Dennis

 

[BigGarage]

Eh, Darwin will take care of the those who would use a winch as a hoist. A HF or PA hoist is the right tool. Why someone would jack together a winch set up as a hoist is a fool.

Yeah but that's also a good way to get pics for the "WTF" pics thread.

Dennis

 

[Plastikosmd]

Did similar biggarage^
I upsized a required beam to handle an additional 1ton moving load. I then also had to instruct the plaster guys to not box it in (several) times

Very handy (one manual chainfall, one air power hoist)




Also a smaller rolling one (manual) and a swinging (electric) over my bigger lathe

 

[dcg9381]

This thread is a little old, but since it just popped back to the top, I'll add my 2 cents. A winch is designed and rated for a "rolling load". Not a "drag" load.

Aren't they also rated at "maximum" - meaning when the spool is fed out (lowest gearing) ?

 

[Dustball]

Aren't they also rated at "maximum" - meaning when the spool is fed out (lowest gearing) ?

Winches are rated at the first layer of wire on the spool. The farther you go away from the center of the spool (more layers), the less pull you have.

Example- https://www.warn.com/warn-winch-performance-specifications-pulling-capacity-by-layer

 

[Don1357]

Far from over engineering, you aren’t doing any engineering at all if you are cobbling a winch, with no brake or method of keeping the cable from freespooling and dropping the load in the event of a failure.

Engineering is a science that includes such nuances as fmea (failure mode and effect analysis) in any design.

Building it hell for stout isn’t in any stretch of the imagination the same as engineering.

As a systems engineer for IT I can tell you that there is such a thing as engineering a solution based on off the shelf components; you are still responsible that the overall cobbling of parts still perform as outlined in the requirements. Furthermore I'm not on the camp of using an ATV winch as a hoist, I was referring as using a Harbor Freight chain hoist as well, a hoist; what it was designed to do.

 

[onewheat]

I'm pretty sure a real "winch" (I'm not speaking for HF) would have no problem with lifting average things to a loft. I've seen several instances of them lifting 'much heavier things' to escape floodwaters in their UTVs.

 

[Walterchang]

I would not recommend it, we had 3 rigged to lift a truss and a few hundred pounds of equipment one wire snapped which then caused the other 2 to fail. Get a legit chain motor.