Using what works in Russia

[Philbert]

The Russians needed to have something to hold up their high tech robot. They used an engine lift. If this where the US, that would be a million dollar device that might work half as well.

Here is the original article:
https://www.space.com/russian-humanoid-robot-skybot-f-850-photos.html

 

[L5wolvesf]

And they had a HF discount coupon too

 

[mrspeed]

I mean Hammer Industries just used a couple chains.

 

[gatlibs]

Pencils versus pen created Fisher pens in the U.S., but I agree.

 

[Git]

That's funny, but I can't help think of the Nuclear Reactor disaster at Chernobyl (recently watched the mini-series about it)

The Soviets went 'cheap' on the control rods. The tips of the rods were made of graphite instead of boron and when they were reinserted into the core during an emergency shut down, the tips caused a power surge and the core exploded. The Soviets went also went 'cheap' when they built the reactor by not building a containment dome.

I will take safe over cheap any day

https://www.world-nuclear.org/infor...rity/safety-of-plants/chernobyl-accident.aspx

 

[rijndael]

The Chernobyl was reactor design was known to be flawed - before they even built it.

 

[zendriver]

Russia good - America sux.

 

[Rabid Badger]

The Russians needed to have something to hold up their high tech robot. They used an engine lift. If this where the US, that would be a million dollar device that might work half as well.

Here is the original article:
https://www.space.com/russian-humanoid-robot-skybot-f-850-photos.html

The American robot can stand on its own. It can also walk, run, jump, open doors, avoid obstacles and do backflips.

I think you might be impressed by the wrong things.

 

[ChevyEFI]

That's funny, but I can't help think of the Nuclear Reactor disaster at Chernobyl (recently watched the mini-series about it)

The Soviets went 'cheap' on the control rods. The tips of the rods were made of graphite instead of boron and when they were reinserted into the core during an emergency shut down, the tips caused a power surge and the core exploded. The Soviets went also went 'cheap' when they built the reactor by not building a containment dome.

I will take safe over cheap any day

https://www.world-nuclear.org/infor...rity/safety-of-plants/chernobyl-accident.aspx

That seems to be an opposite-ends-of-the-spectrum comparison.

 

[Air21]

Fisher independently developed the "space pen" with their own money, and eventually sold the pens to NASA. Prior to they both US and Soviet astronauts used pencils, but pencils can break apart and create FOD problems in the capsule.

 

[Legion Prime]

Except they used grease pencils. Wood & graphite shavings introduce a less than desirable mix of flammable & conductive particles to the orbiter.

 

[Git]

That seems to be an opposite-ends-of-the-spectrum comparison.

OK, here is another one then.

Ever hear of the Kursk?

It was a nuclear powered Soviet submarine that sank in 2000, killing everyone aboard - 118 sailors

During a training mission, they think that a practice torpedo that they were loading started to leak fuel from a bad weld. Most countries stopped using those types of torpedoes back in 1955 because they were too dangerous. The Soviets started to use them in 1957. The fuel that was used - high test peroxide (concentrated hydrogen peroxide as an oxidizer) and kerosene was cheap but powerfull... Fortunately, they were able to recover the wreckage and the reactor was intact

Do you see a trend?

 

[Git]

I should add that it looks like a nuclear-powered missile they were testing recently, blew up killing 5 people. They don't know what actually happened other than there was a release of nuclear radiation but don't hold your breath that we will actually find out the truth.

The Soviets recently built a floating nuclear-powered power plant that will be used in the arctic circle.

So how is that 'using what is available' working out, putting the entire world at risk at times?

 

[Sportsman762]

I think we have to be careful about demeaning other countries without looking at our own. After all the Russians did not have a high tech warship hit the MV ACX Crystal. The USA almost had their own Chernobyl with 3 mile island. The Russian engine lift is an example of a simple solution for a problem. Lets appreciate that.

 

[Git]

sorry, not sorry

Would YOU even use a cheesy looking rope like that to hold an engine?

Oh, hey, I know. Lets drill a hole through the side of a compartment of the International Space Station and use what is available to cover the mistake - putty

 

[Shelbylex]

Sure, it’s always easy to critique somebody...
Some of the things to remember about the Empire which is falling apart:
-Fist 4 engine planes (yep, the same guy who created helicopters)
-Sputnik
-Lunohod
- First dog in space
- First 2 dogs which returned
- First man (and woman!) in space
- First space walk
- First docking to uncontrolled object
- First atomic icebreakers
- First supersonic passenger plane (though design was rushed)
- Everybody still uses Russian rockets to put people in space. Yep, very basic and old technology... hmm, not a single man lost on the way up with recent example of aborted mission after takeoff and saved people...
... can keep going
By the way: the guy who made sports car out of Corvette - Zora Atkins Duntov...

It’s always easy for us to go and make fun of other countries . How about finding something what we can learn from them?
If we concentrated more from learning from other nations, we would have been in a much better shape.

 

[Git]

I think we have to be careful about demeaning other countries without looking at our own. After all the Russians did not have a high tech warship hit the MV ACX Crystal. The USA almost had their own Chernobyl with 3 mile island. The Russian engine lift is an example of a simple solution for a problem. Lets appreciate that.

Sure, it’s always easy to critique somebody...
Some of the things to remember about the Empire which is falling apart:
-Fist 4 engine planes (yep, the same guy who created helicopters)
-Sputnik
-Lunohod
- First dog in space
- First 2 dogs which returned
- First man (and woman!) in space
- First space walk
- First docking to uncontrolled object
- First atomic icebreakers
- First supersonic passenger plane (though design was rushed)
- Everybody still uses Russian rockets to put people in space. Yep, very basic and old technology... hmm, not a single man lost on the way up with recent example of aborted mission after takeoff and saved people...
... can keep going
By the way: the guy who made sports car out of Corvette - Zora Atkins Duntov...

It’s always easy for us to go and make fun of other countries . How about finding something what we can learn from them?
If we concentrated more from learning from other nations, we would have been in a much better shape.

This thread was about Russia and how they 'use what works'.

I pointed out a couple of things that apparently did not work...

Why on earth would you guys get triggered and feel the need to defend Russia?

It's like I said, I wouldn't use a rope to hang an engine from an engine hoist, but if you feel that Russia is ingenious for doing so to hold up a 350lb robot that was later sent into outer space to a manned space station, then alrighty then.

ps - the torpedo that leaked fuel causing the nuclear submarine to be blow up - they think it was dropped (maybe they were using an engine hoist or rope) but they decided to go ahead and load it into the sub anyways

 

[michelin]

Not surprising at all. I use our shop engine crane for moving and lifting almost anything that can be lifted and rolled. Car batteries is one examples. Very handy piece of kit if you’ve got room to deploy it.

 

[WittHay]

The crane is a simple solution for a task. The heavy rope probably doesn't leave marks or damage the robot.

Russia is currently what I would call a 2nd. world country. Same as South American countrys, India and others. There are smart people there but the upbringing is without lawyers and safety regulations and a semi corrupt/ bribery way of doing business

I think Boeing is a good company that is a economic boom to Washington state and even are local economy in BC. I dont want the answer in a tool thread but What exactly went wrong with the 737 max?

 

[Air21]

Maybe they can't afford the robot hoist off the Snaponov Truck

 

[Fly YX]

"Is same thing all parts made in Taiwan"

 

[Philbert]

I would say historically speaking Russian (Soviet Version1.0 & 2.0) have done allot with very little. Watch the netflix show on Soviet (V1.0) rocket engineering. They made the impossible rocket work through brute force determination and national pride. Everyone has failure some worse than others. I would agree that the Soviets have a much higher fault tolerance than other nations.

 

[marcone]

Maybe they can't afford the robot hoist off the Snaponov Truck

that is funny!

 

[marcone]

I would say historically speaking Russian (Soviet Version1.0 & 2.0) have done allot with very little. Watch the netflix show on Soviet (V1.0) rocket engineering. They made the impossible rocket work through brute force determination and national pride. Everyone has failure some worse than others. I would agree that the Soviets have a much higher fault tolerance than other nations.

Totally agree and I would just add that Russians have a great fault tolerance because in the individual person is not an asset but a commodity.
Do some experimental stuff, blow up a punch of skilled people in the process, not a problem!

 

[zendriver]

This thread was about Russia and how they 'use what works'.

I pointed out a couple of things that apparently did not work...

Why on earth would you guys get triggered and feel the need to defend Russia?

It's like I said, I wouldn't use a rope to hang an engine from an engine hoist, but if you feel that Russia is ingenious for doing so to hold up a 350lb robot that was later sent into outer space to a manned space station, then alrighty then.

ps - the torpedo that leaked fuel causing the nuclear submarine to be blow up - they think it was dropped (maybe they were using an engine hoist or rope) but they decided to go ahead and load it into the sub anyways

Good points.

American self loathing is quite fashionable these days and Russia is our best friend now because we are told that.

FWIW 3 mile Island was built to be extremely safe but had a problem anyway. The containment structure was the saving grace.


The Chernobyl reactor didn't even have one. It was built inside The equivalent of what was a pole barn


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[MShaw]

When I was working in the nuclear industry we bought some nuclear certified pipe. An independent cert test failed. research revealed the manufacturer heat treated the test samples to get them to pass but did not heat treat the pipe. Our pipe was part of a huge mill run. No one was interested in recalling and replacing the rest of the lot. Just saying.

 

[2oolhound]

When I was working in the nuclear industry we bought some nuclear certified pipe. An independent cert test failed. research revealed the manufacturer heat treated the test samples to get them to pass but did not heat treat the pipe. Our pipe was part of a huge mill run. No one was interested in recalling and replacing the rest of the lot. Just saying.

Was VW the supplier?

I've just studied the following 3 Russian models and have found them to be flawless. They definitely got this right:

 

[Legion Prime]

Good points.

American self loathing is quite fashionable these days and Russia is our best friend now because we are told that.

And here I thought the current storyline was that they were meddling in our elections. It's consistent with the 180 though from them currently being our best friend like they told us in the 2012 election cycle though.

 

[2oolhound]

And here I thought the current storyline was that they were meddling in our elections. It's consistent with the 180 though from them currently being our best friend like they told us in the 2012 election cycle though.

The way I understand it hackers send out BOTS to link on threads in chat lines but mostly twitter and instagram in hopes to sway public opinion with numbers. When enough followers (people who can't think for themselves) join in they can go viral and this can sway the election. The thing is these are not college kid hackers, they are pros being contracted to try to sway elections. It's a new campaign tool.

 

[rlanicek]

The Russians needed to have something to hold up their high tech robot. They used an engine lift. If this where the US, that would be a million dollar device that might work half as well.

Here is the original article:
https://www.space.com/russian-humanoid-robot-skybot-f-850-photos.html

Witty but not really true. I work in the defense industry.

While it is true, for mil-spec gov contracts, production materials do cost a lot more than what a commercial industry effort could offer, the same does not hold true for engineering materials such as the engine hoist. Our engineers would rather use a commercial-off-the-shelf solution, rather than design and build a tool, every time.

 

[1982fxr]

The Russians needed to have something to hold up their high tech robot. They used an engine lift. If this where the US, that would be a million dollar device that might work half as well.

Here is the original article:
https://www.space.com/russian-humanoid-robot-skybot-f-850-photos.html

I call BS. Where's the part where they load it into a 50 year old truck, with at least one death, and then drive the truck into the side of a building?

Obviously NOT Russia.

 

[kythri]

Ever hear of the Kursk?

Ever hear of the Thresher? The Scorpion?

I'm not a self-loathing American, but this jingoistic horseshit is getting rather old.

 

[zendriver]

Fwiw and I'm sure they exist, and areas i've never seen a tool marked

сделано в россии


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[Moparman390]

To the original point, this kind of thing goes both ways, when the Russians needed a transport aircraft to move their version of the space shuttle around they built a massive six engine cargo plane, of which only one was ever completed and massive amounts of resources went into it's design and construction. NASA bought a couple of used 747s.

 

[Git]

Ever hear of the Thresher? The Scorpion?

I'm not a self-loathing American, but this jingoistic horseshit is getting rather old.

Ya, I guess that reference went over your head.

Accidents happen, and they always will - especially when humans are involved. But to purposely use antiquated technology or 'it worked' technology, around things like Nuclear Reactors and/or Nuclear powered submarines, is a little too much in my book.

 

[Git]

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