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Ive seen this mentioned a few times….starting in the middle….and I've seen guys post pics of starting in the corner. Does it really matter?

I snapped a chalk line in the center of the long ways...layed a 6' level on the chalk line and set the first tile against the level.
Like Stage20 said I went about 5' both directions on the side of the chalk line and then went perpindicular from that in the middle out 4-5' creating 4 inside corner areas in the shape of a cross...tiles like inside corners.
 
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Ohyea. Old cutback glue. The tiles let loose but the glue stays sticky. Gets all over your hands shoes everything it touches. You really can't get the floor clean enough. One grain of sand looks like a mountain. A couple grains of sand and it looks like you didn't even clean the floor. Lol. If you put a penny under one with heavy glue you could just about read it over time as the tile forms to the contours

There the beauty of the tile , if that happens you can pull the tile and relay.
 

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I have read all the posts and for the life of me can not figure out why some people can't stand the fact that some people want a VCT floor , who the heck really cares ?

I love the looks of the Epoxy floor , I kind of like the ceramic tile floors too but I choose not to go either type . I have yet to see anyone bitching about either of those flooring options or race deck or what have you . Except for VCT , they made a big flipping deal about why they don't like it.
So I say go to your garage and leave us who want VCT in peace.
 
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I've been searching for a thread like this for a while on vct tiles in cold climates. so these will hold up in cold climates, like here in Michigan? the temps fluctuate from 95 in the summer to down to -15 in the winter. it seems everyone with vct keeps thier garages heated. will they expand or contract to much to consider this option in my unheated garage? also, i've got a car wash setup in my garage, will there be any issues with water soaking in and causing damage or mold or anything?
 

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I've been searching for a thread like this for a while on vct tiles in cold climates. so these will hold up in cold climates, like here in Michigan? the temps fluctuate from 95 in the summer to down to -15 in the winter. it seems everyone with vct keeps thier garages heated. will they expand or contract to much to consider this option in my unheated garage? also, i've got a car wash setup in my garage, will there be any issues with water soaking in and causing damage or mold or anything?

I have been in many commercial. Buildings that's were shut down and non heated for yrs. the tile showed no signs of coming up.
They wash this floors all the time in stores , I can't imagine that being an issue either.
Properly installed , I do not think you would experience and problems.

Hoping others will chime in.
 

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I've been searching for a thread like this for a while on vct tiles in cold climates. so these will hold up in cold climates, like here in Michigan? the temps fluctuate from 95 in the summer to down to -15 in the winter. it seems everyone with vct keeps thier garages heated. will they expand or contract to much to consider this option in my unheated garage? also, i've got a car wash setup in my garage, will there be any issues with water soaking in and causing damage or mold or anything?

We do not get to -15°, but below 10°. Not much difference. I do not heat my garage at all, and it is basically uninsulated. No issues from cold or heat. I range from 10-110° and more.
 

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I've been searching for a thread like this for a while on vct tiles in cold climates. so these will hold up in cold climates, like here in Michigan? the temps fluctuate from 95 in the summer to down to -15 in the winter. it seems everyone with vct keeps thier garages heated. will they expand or contract to much to consider this option in my unheated garage? also, i've got a car wash setup in my garage, will there be any issues with water soaking in and causing damage or mold or anything?

Water will not harm it as long as you keep enough wax on it to keep the joints sealed so to prevent water from getting under the tile and breaking down the glue. If that happens, the VCT will start curling up at the joints. Keep it waxed/sealed !
 

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One last thing about those bare concrete floors people swear by , do you not have any oil stains in them , or stains period ? I have and as hard as i have tried , I can not get them out and I had my floor sealed ! At least with a coated floor be it vct , epoxy , ceramic , not sure about race deck , the stains come right up , just a simply squirt of simply green and off they come , not so with a concrete floor . I have one and stains live there.
You get stains from all the winter road **** , can't be avoided either.
 

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the only issue with temperature is if you slacked on your floor prep or glue process and had a tile that was not adhered properly and you dropped something on it when it was cold. will break like glass. this would not be an issue in the summer.... just put a dent in it.

as for soaking the floor. you MUST have the joints sealed with wax. i have replaced numerous jobs that have curling tiles and you can pull them up with a shovel. old glue damp underneath. pretty much have to wrap blue tape all over your wheelbarrow tire while doing a demo or it will track glue everywhere.
 

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the only issue with temperature is if you slacked on your floor prep or glue process and had a tile that was not adhered properly and you dropped something on it when it was cold. will break like glass. this would not be an issue in the summer.... just put a dent in it.

as for soaking the floor. you MUST have the joints sealed with wax. i have replaced numerous jobs that have curling tiles and you can pull them up with a shovel. old glue damp underneath. pretty much have to wrap blue tape all over your wheelbarrow tire while doing a demo or it will track glue everywhere.

Not exactly brittle as glass. I installed mine in February under 30° the whole time. Never waxed my floors but did seal the with Zep. Never had one curl despite long term soaking.

I put mine down on a swept and mopped floor, with surely a few grains of sand under them here and there, yet it is completely undetectable!

You keep making blanket statements, but really they are risks, not guarantees as you suggest!
 

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Not exactly brittle as glass. I installed mine in February under 30° the whole time. Never waxed my floors but did seal the with Zep. Never had one curl despite long term soaking.

I put mine down on a swept and mopped floor, with surely a few grains of sand under them here and there, yet it is completely undetectable!

You keep making blanket statements, but really they are risks, not guarantees as you suggest!

risk? no. probable? yes. nothing is guaranteed.

day in day out, you have general contractor and engineers going over your job it gets picked apart. just offering advice.

im not going to tell people just use an outdoor broom and then spread your glue. thats not clean enough for me, but i dont know your expectations.

no need for me to say anything else.
 

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risk? no. probable? yes. nothing is guaranteed.

day in day out, you have general contractor and engineers going over your job it gets picked apart. just offering advice.

im not going to tell people just use an outdoor broom and then spread your glue. thats not clean enough for me, but i dont know your expectations.

no need for me to say anything else.

YOUR opinion, not necessarily backed by those who have done it in their garage!

Last word? I doubt it!
 

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I was wondering if anyone did anything specific to the edge of the tile at the garage door opening. There is usually a 1/2" edge to prevent water intrusion and then adding the thickness of the tile. Just wondering if maybe tapering the edge of the tile would help create a smoother transition of am I just overthinking it?

Thanks

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One last thing about those bare concrete floors people swear by , do you not have any oil stains in them , or stains period ? I have and as hard as i have tried , I can not get them out and I had my floor sealed ! At least with a coated floor be it vct , epoxy , ceramic , not sure about race deck , the stains come right up , just a simply squirt of simply green and off they come , not so with a concrete floor . I have one and stains live there.
You get stains from all the winter road **** , can't be avoided either.

Yup, bare concrete with oil stains. I'm not talking "oops, I dripped some oil" type of stains either.

I'm referring to an 'ol leaky 6.2 diesel pickup.

The BEST method I have found to take up the stains is the following;

1) Pour mineral spirits over the oil stain.

2) Put a liberal amount of floor dry over the mineral spirits/oil stain.

3) Walk away.

4) Return a few hours later or overnight and sweep up the floor dry.

5) Put swept floor dry into container for later use. The mineral spirits keep the floor dry "clean", as in very little oil appears to be present.

I don't jump right on the clean up either. The oil stains may be there for weeks or even months until the garage schedule is cleared enough to allow for the clean up of stains.

I do like the option of using the VCT and will possibly do some searching for deals.
 

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I was wondering if anyone did anything specific to the edge of the tile at the garage door opening. There is usually a 1/2" edge to prevent water intrusion and then adding the thickness of the tile. Just wondering if maybe tapering the edge of the tile would help create a smoother transition of am I just overthinking it?

Thanks

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Nah, it is only 1/8" thick. No need to taper it.
 

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Not exactly brittle as glass. I installed mine in February under 30° the whole time. Never waxed my floors but did seal the with Zep. Never had one curl despite long term soaking.

I put mine down on a swept and mopped floor, with surely a few grains of sand under them here and there, yet it is completely undetectable!

You keep making blanket statements, but really they are risks, not guarantees as you suggest!

How long did you wait before parking on it? I have a townhouse and while VCT looks tempting I don't want to park my car outside for a couple of days.
 

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How long did you wait before parking on it? I have a townhouse and while VCT looks tempting I don't want to park my car outside for a couple of days.

I would wait at least 48 hours for the adhesive to set. I did my floor in two halves moving the stuff from one side to the other the next day, but I was careful.
 

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Im very thankful for this thread! now I just need to find a good deal and decide what colors i want.

a couple more questions before I pull the trigger.

So the vct needs to stay either sealed or waxed to be fully water proof, correct? Is a sealer more of a permanent solution to this or should the tiles be sealed AND waxed for added durability? I only ask because I plan on doing alot of car washing in my shop and they need to stand up to being repeatedly soaked, even in the cold months.

last question: say some day I dont like the look and i want to remove the tiles. how hard is it to pull up? will the adhesive stay on the concrete and need to be removed with a diamond grinder or such? basically how permanent is vct?
 

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I just sealed mine! Not an issue with pealing or lifting. Lots of water on my floors.

IF you damage one a heat gun and a scraper will get it up with some effort!
 
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Im very thankful for this thread! now I just need to find a good deal and decide what colors i want.

a couple more questions before I pull the trigger.

So the vct needs to stay either sealed or waxed to be fully water proof, correct? Is a sealer more of a permanent solution to this or should the tiles be sealed AND waxed for added durability? I only ask because I plan on doing alot of car washing in my shop and they need to stand up to being repeatedly soaked, even in the cold months.

last question: say some day I dont like the look and i want to remove the tiles. how hard is it to pull up? will the adhesive stay on the concrete and need to be removed with a diamond grinder or such? basically how permanent is vct?

You can seal then wax if you like. Just don't leave it bare. The more coats the more protection, I just wouldn't use more than the recommended amount per the manufacturers instructions. Also, renting a buffer a few days after the wax has dried will bring out the shine and help to harden the wax.
I wouldn't want to remove a whole floor of vct. You can rent a floor scraper to remove all the vct but you will be left with the adhesive. I would say it's better to layer over existing if you want to change your design than to completely remove.
 

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I was at lowes today , found there commercial tile for 73 cents each . But I would think that if you bought several box's you would get a much better deal.
 

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Wait until the concrete deteriorates due to salt and starts to get porus and look bad

That's what I'm dealing with now, my floor is 18 years old and needs something done. I sealed it, but it is still pitting and I hate the salt dust on the floor and like many others, my garage gets used every day but my wife and I and I go out most evenings during the hard snow periods to vacuum up all the water that melts off her car my truck. I have someone from Nature Stone coming over this week since I don't want to dig up the floor since it is still solid, just pitting and I have done more reading and researching this topic for the past couple of years and I just like the look of the Nature Stone and I don't use jacks or stands very often at all and if I did I would use some woods squares under the stands and when I use my floor jack. The side that my Camaro sits on will be done in VCT probably next year and gets no weather at all. It is interesting to read all the replies and what works and doesn't work. I'm not against some maintenance to keep it looking good, I just want something that will hold up to the weather and abuse that it will get as a result the weather here in Northern Ohio during the winter.
 

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Bringing back an older thread.

Anyone have VCT in an occasionally unheated garage in a colder climate? Instructions say to not let the temp fall below 55, but I don't want to have to worry about heating the garage when I know I'll be gone for extended periods.
 

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10 f is pretty common overnight, but I probably won't worry about an insulated garage dipping that low too often.
 

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I have vct in a 44x54 storage barn that is not always heated in Michigan. I have had no issues with tile popping even when driving a very heavily loaded car trailer over it. (Total about 8000 lb on 2 axles. I have had 2 issues but have learned to work around them.

1 . Tires will leave a mark on the tile that is very hard to remove. I park with the tires on small clear plastic pads.

2. It might be the 2 coats if sealer and 5 coats of wax but it is very slippery when wet. Downright dangerous stepping on it when there is snow on it.

I used Armstrong tile from depot and Armstrong adhesive, sealer, and wax.
 

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dude that's preeeemo ! :rocker:

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Man I am jealous. I need to buy another house so I can fix up my garage.

Great looking floors

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does anyone have any pics of torch or welding droppings on anything but concrete.i worked at an airline with vct and it was great but never used a cutting torch there.i'm not looking for advise on how to avoid it
 

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I am really happy with my 44 x 54 VCT floor. It has been in for over a year in a barn that is not always heated. Everyone that sees it loves it.

It mops up super nice, and I never bothered burnishing it but have recently purchased a burnisher so that will likely be a spring project...

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Like I said, it is very slick when there is snow on it, so I could not advise it for a DD garage, but for cars that do not play in the snow, it has been great.

I have not had this problem with my personal floor, but I did want to mention that the VCT floor in one of the labs at work has areas that have been eaten by brake fluid. If you leak brake fluid, wipe it up quick. In the places it stood for a long time, the tiles had holes completely eaten away...

-Joe
 

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This is my only concern; automobiles can leak fluids, and sometimes a leak can go un-noticed for some time (hours, or days) if the car is parked for the season.

How does VCT sealer / wax hold up to: Brake Fluid, Motor Oil, Anti-freeze, shock oil, rear diff fluid, transmission oil, & gasoline?

I am going to do VCT for my loft area.. I think it looks great. the main garage I am still unsure
 

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Brake fluid needs to be wiped up fairly quickly as the previous post mentions. Carb cleaner will dull and smear the finish as you try to wipe it up as well.
 

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I practice clean work habits, use drop cloths, drain pans, cardboard, etc. and clean up when I am done.

but sometimes things decide to leak. On my old car I keep a rubber drain mat under the engine because the rear main seal is a rope seal and will leak when parked for extended time. But I was not expecting a new shock to puke it's oil all over my nice new floor ! Arrg..
 

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Brake fluid needs to be wiped up fairly quickly as the previous post mentions. Carb cleaner will dull and smear the finish as you try to wipe it up as well.

The petroleum distillates in carb cleaner or brake Kleen are too harsh, they will remove the wax and sealer from the floor thus creating the dull spot.
WD40 will do the same thing.

You have to use mild detergents on VCT or you will quickly strip off the wax and sealer. I would wipe it up first with some shop towels to soak up the spill then spray the area with simple green to neutralize the acid in the brake fluid.
 

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I think for my loft area VCT will be perfect. for the main floor it will look sharp but I would invest in some floor mats to park the cars on to contain any "accidents" that can mar the finish of the floor if not cleaned up immediately.
 

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Wow, this thread goes on and on. I would like to put my 2 cents in as I have probably laid a square mile of VCT over the years... VCT is a durable commercial flooring that will stand up to almost anything you throw at it as long as it is cared for properly. I can give some tips about how to lay and care for it. 1. VCT will conform to the underlying subfloor over time. If you want it to look good, make sure it's smooth and fill cracks and joints with a skim coat or thin set product made for use with VCT. As far as laying it over a broom finish... It may work, but will use more glue and eat a trowel or two... Also, I imagine you would see a texture when it's shiny over time as the glue cures (and pulls the tiles down). I would use leveler (thin set made to flow and level itself) over the whole floor before trying to glue it to a broom finish. 2. VCT is easy to lay, use the right trowel, hold it at as close to perpendicular to the floor as you can, spread it leaving only what the teeth on the trowel let through (extra glue will not clear and come through joints, let the glue clear, and set the tiles tight together. A razor knife and straight edge scores tiles to cut easily and then just snap them. An easy way to cut the size of the tile that meets the wall is to set it on top of the last whole tile and lay another against the wall on top of that, score the one on the whole tile using the the other as a straight edge and snap. Don't let the one you are using as a template get stuck to the glue . For more complex obstacles, a heat gun makes it much easier to work with without breaking the tiles. 3. Work from the middle of the floor, not from a wall. Snap two chalk lines perpendicular to each other and square with the building and use that as the starting place. Don't try to end at walls with whole tiles (it seldom works out and you have a 1/4" gap that's hard to fill with tile). Walls these days are never true and straight and seldom square. 4. Use good glue, Armstrong or Roberts work well... Don't just buy the cheapest you can find. 5. Buy some extra tile and put it away, you will never be able to find something to match it exactly later. 6. Charcoal lighter fluid on a paint rag (white) works great to clean up messes you make with glue. 7. Let it cure for several days (a week if iits cold) before getting wet or waxing. 8. Damp mop it and wax it with several coats of good high traffic floor wax. 9. Mop with products designed for waxed floors, many cleaners will either strip the wax or discolor it over time. 10. You can't just add wax over and over, it needs to be stripped or at least buffed before applying wax again (every 6 - 12 months depending on traffic. This will keep the wax from starting to look yellow. :shocking:
 

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Wow, this thread goes on and on. I would like to put my 2 cents in as I have probably laid a square mile of VCT over the years... VCT is a durable commercial flooring that will stand up to almost anything you throw at it as long as it is cared for properly. I can give some tips about how to lay and care for it. 1. VCT will conform to the underlying subfloor over time. If you want it to look good, make sure it's smooth and fill cracks and joints with a skim coat or thin set product made for use with VCT. As far as laying it over a broom finish... It may work, but will use more glue and eat a trowel or two... Also, I imagine you would see a texture when it's shiny over time as the glue cures (and pulls the tiles down). I would use leveler (thin set made to flow and level itself) over the whole floor before trying to glue it to a broom finish. 2. VCT is easy to lay, use the right trowel, hold it at as close to perpendicular to the floor as you can, spread it leaving only what the teeth on the trowel let through (extra glue will not clear and come through joints, let the glue clear, and set the tiles tight together. A razor knife and straight edge scores tiles to cut easily and then just snap them. An easy way to cut the size of the tile that meets the wall is to set it on top of the last whole tile and lay another against the wall on top of that, score the one on the whole tile using the the other as a straight edge and snap. Don't let the one you are using as a template get stuck to the glue . For more complex obstacles, a heat gun makes it much easier to work with without breaking the tiles. 3. Work from the middle of the floor, not from a wall. Snap two chalk lines perpendicular to each other and square with the building and use that as the starting place. Don't try to end at walls with whole tiles (it seldom works out and you have a 1/4" gap that's hard to fill with tile). Walls these days are never true and straight and seldom square. 4. Use good glue, Armstrong or Roberts work well... Don't just buy the cheapest you can find. 5. Buy some extra tile and put it away, you will never be able to find something to match it exactly later. 6. Charcoal lighter fluid on a paint rag (white) works great to clean up messes you make with glue. 7. Let it cure for several days (a week if iits cold) before getting wet or waxing. 8. Damp mop it and wax it with several coats of good high traffic floor wax. 9. Mop with products designed for waxed floors, many cleaners will either strip the wax or discolor it over time. 10. You can't just add wax over and over, it needs to be stripped or at least buffed before applying wax again (every 6 - 12 months depending on traffic. This will keep the wax from starting to look yellow. :shocking:

Thanks for the tips. I have been following this thread and plan to do VCT in my garage this spring. I have epoxy on the garage floor at one of my rentals and it held up nicely, but for this house VCT wins. Thanks to all those who have posted pictures of their VCT floors and how they held up over time. Very informative and inspirational!
 
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