very depressing snap on fail

[jkeyser14]

If the shaft didnt twist and build energy it wouldn't make a differance but when the shaft twist it makes a differance. Like counter steer you just have to do it to prove it.

Completely false. If you compress a spring it doesn't push back with any more force than you are pushing on it with. Same goes for twisting a screwdriver. The steel acts like a spring and the only force you get out of it is what you're putting in it at that point in time. Yes energy is stored, but it's not multiplied.

 

[mrholeshot]

Completely false. If you compress a spring it doesn't push back with any more force than you are pushing on it with. Same goes for twisting a screwdriver. The steel acts like a spring and the only force you get out of it is what you're putting in it at that point in time. Yes energy is stored, but it's not multiplied.

Next time you are using a #2 Phillips tighten it up with a 3-4 inch shaft screwdriver as hard as you can. Then come back with a 2-3 footer with the same handle size and shaft size and you can go a bit farther. I didn't beleive it either.

 

[Daddy_Rabbit]

Next time you are using a #2 Phillips tighten it up with a 3-4 inch shaft screwdriver as hard as you can. Then come back with a 2-3 footer with the same handle size and shaft size and you can go a bit farther. I didn't beleive it either.

 

[KEH]

My experience in having #2 Snap On Phillips screwdrivers warrented from the truck is that they take the shaft out if the handle is good and put a new shaft in the old handle.

I had a black triangular handle go bad(disengrate and break in two in the drawer) and the dealer ordered a new 4 sided hard handle and installed my old shaft in it, which was fine with me since it had stood the test of time and use.

KEH

 

[donnie]

Damn How in the hell did this thread turn into a snap on vs HF and a torque vs torsion thread

 

[walrus]

Completely false. If you compress a spring it doesn't push back with any more force than you are pushing on it with. Same goes for twisting a screwdriver. The steel acts like a spring and the only force you get out of it is what you're putting in it at that point in time. Yes energy is stored, but it's not multiplied.

Perpetual motion can't be far behind

 

[toolnut]

i always use my longer shaft screwdrivers for more delicate work such as in electronics. I wouldn't think they were made for a lot of torque in any brand.

 

[RAYJAY]

just ship all your snap on stuff to one of the guys here and they will use them for you.

after a couple of years of this treatment from dealers, most of my snap-on stuff after needing Warranty. work . just went in the trash, I'm not going to carry useless tools with me to a job site and why ship them back to my home and pay more money and mrshaun your a dealer with that comment.......nice........: you fit the profile exactly


At least chaster1 who is also a dealer answered in a good way about this. to me Snap-on is just really high priced no warranty tools. the couple that i do have i left i will call snap-on but i will not ever buy them again, so because of ****** treatment from there dealers they lost a customer, you all say that snap-on does not have control over the dealers WHY DON'T THEY ..THEY SHOULD! the dealers are there reps of these tools and the company

 

[walrus]

most of my snap-on stuff after needing Warranty. work . just went in the trash,

Nice, that will teach Snap On

 

[dieseltech]

mr holeshot you are correct. I dont know how to explain it properly but the flex in the shaft seems to help with ''break away torque'' the same way a ''flex bar'' aka a breaker bar helps you remove stuck bolts when you lean on a breaker bar it will flex a small amount sort of like winding up before breaking the bolt free mebey some of these engineer types need some practical experince

 

[jay50]

Perpetual motion can't be far behind

I'm working on a perpetual motion powered car and it will be ready in about 30 days.
I will unveil it first to GJ guys just to show them it can be done...

 

[walrus]

I'm working on a perpetual motion powered car and it will be ready in about 30 days.
I will unveil it first to GJ guys just to show them it can be done...

Powered by a # 2 Philips?, I knew I never should have said anything

 

[fordbroncodave]

i am in no way trying to make a bad representation of snap on nor am i trying to steer someone in another direction, i just wanted to know why the **** my screwdriver broke so easily.

sorry mrshaun and the other snap on dude if this hurts your eyes. i can't believe this thread is on top of the list 24 hours after i posted it. i haven't looked at the computer all day.

we'll see if robb has a shaft on his truck, if not, i'll have him order one

 

[finallap]

Damn How in the hell did this thread turn into a snap on vs HF and a torque vs torsion thread

Its some sort of entertainment (at least to me) on a ****** Sat at the office.

 

[jay50]

i am in no way trying to make a bad representation of snap on nor am i trying to steer someone in another direction, i just wanted to know why the **** my screwdriver broke so easily.

sorry mrshaun and the other snap on dude if this hurts your eyes. i can't believe this thread is on top of the list 24 hours after i posted it. i haven't looked at the computer all day.

we'll see if robb has a shaft on his truck, if not, i'll have him order one

Cheap Chinese steel not holding up.
Even though it says USA, that does not mean the steel used was not sourced from China.

 

[ngk22r]

i just wanted to know why the **** my screwdriver broke so easily.

**** happens sometimes, all you can say is oh-well. And then get the blade replaced.

 

[fordbroncodave]

Cheap Chinese steel not holding up.
Even though it says USA, that does not mean the steel used was not sourced from China.

it doesn't matter where the steel comes from, its all on the same planet anyways. the separation between USA steel and china lead is treating techniques and concentration of steel.


i should start a thread about how fisher price age 5 tools are stronger and more durable then hf tools. i once roofed my entire shed with a fisher price hammer and the hf hammer simply couldn't hit the head like the fisher price.

 

[William Payne]

Am I missing something how do you know the steel is chinese? It may well be but how do you know? Also how do you know that other tools arent chinese metal too? How do you know that the metal in that screwdriver was not just too hard. If the metal was soft it would have just stripped the tip that metal would have to have been pretty hard to just snap off like that.

 

[William Payne]

Silly question but what were you trying to remove when the screwdriver broke must have been one tight screw. I have encountered tight screws in the past even small ones and have wound up having to use something to shock the screw lose. Sometimes if the screwdriver breaks its easy to blame the screwdriver but sometimes a siezed screw can break any screwdriver.

 

[truckdriver]

talked to a lot of the so called dealers, a example of my problem with snap-on is this...

when you buy off of a truck dealer in PA and you need th replace tool in NY no body want to do it for you and mail order i have to ship everything out and have it shipped back to my house, then have the wife reship it out to me in the field, the only dealers i have had problem with all the time is snap-on ..... mac and matco dealer are for the most part help full and will do what ever they can do to help

the manufacturer should make the dealers take care of "Lack of Warranty support" because it make snap -on look bad i didn't mail order the high price tool i bought it off a truck dealer i should be able to walk on any snap -on truck and get warranty not the excuse i hear all the time...."well you did you buy it from me?' or "if you buy something i can take care of it for you."


Jeff

I have only had warranty problems from the guy who owns the route in my town. He has 3 routes and had trouble keeping employee's and did it himself for about a year. He was a royal *****. I have bought and had stuff warranteed all over the country without a problem. The SO guys I've met on the road have all treaded me right. I catch most of the SO trucks at truckstops.

 

[ngk22r]

All it takes is a hairline fracture for the shank to break. Things will break, its all in the game. If things would never break there would not need be a warranty or rebuild kits.

 

[Garage_Mahal]

You can store some energy in a spring and release it all at once, but I don't think that is why a longer screwdriver lets you torque stuff down easier. It has to do with alignment. It's easier to spot misalignment with a long blade.If you misaligned a screwdriver you end up wasting some twisting force plus you are using more of your hand force keeping the tip in place. Did you even notice how much easier it is to screw in one of those dual drive screws with a nut driver instead of a Philips? It is because you use so little of your hand strength to keep the tip in place.

 

[gatewaysysop]

I just broke my new 16" Craftsman Pro #2 yesterday as well. It was on the first screw and it broke just like the one pictured.

Damn. I just bought a set of the longer screwdrivers that included this. I'll have to be careful when I get around to using it.

 

[oldtools]

Completely false. If you compress a spring it doesn't push back with any more force than you are pushing on it with. Same goes for twisting a screwdriver. The steel acts like a spring and the only force you get out of it is what you're putting in it at that point in time. Yes energy is stored, but it's not multiplied.

I agree with you on that. The law of energy conservation (1st law of thermodynamics) stated that you can not get more energy than what you put in. If you put 10 ft-lbf on the handle, the maximum torque the screw will see is 10 ft-lbf. Usually, it is a little bit less than that because of internal friction. For a given torque, the longer the length the more it twist.

 

[fordbroncodave]

Silly question but what were you trying to remove when the screwdriver broke must have been one tight screw. I have encountered tight screws in the past even small ones and have wound up having to use something to shock the screw lose. Sometimes if the screwdriver breaks its easy to blame the screwdriver but sometimes a siezed screw can break any screwdriver.

the screws holding my bug shield onto the hood of the bronco. when i used a normal length #2 phillips it was fairly easy to do. i didn't need enough torque that i needed a wrench to slip over the shank to the applicator.

the old tri grip screwdriver got the job done

 

[William Payne]

Thats strange maybe its just something about those long ones.