Very excited!!

[Thumper68]

I finally got a lathe, well I don't have it yet, pick up from the Auction in on Thursday.

Sheldon EXL-56 10 in.

From the pictures it looks okay and there are a ton of extras with it.

3 jaw chuck
4 jaw chuck
collet chuck looks to be 5c
many collets
drive dogs
There is a lot more there than I can list or really see from the pics.

Link
http://hansenandyoung.com/online-auctions/?utm_source=NextLot&utm_medium=Bidding&utm_campaign=20161004%20PF#/sales/76857/lots/16520082

I can't seem to get the pics from the site to post here.

The best part is I got it for less then I was willing to pay, from my research should be worth around $1200-$1500 with the extras.
Cost with buyers premium $852.50

Going to cost me around $150 to go get it I think.

Couple of questions.
Anyone have any idea how much this thing weighs?
Any suggestions on a quick change tool post?

Oh I also got a set of Jacobs rubber collets for $36.30

 

[454ragtop]

Best to join here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sheldonlathe/ Mod is a former Sheldon employee, lots of good info.

 

[Thumper68]

Best to join here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sheldonlathe/ Mod is a former Sheldon employee, lots of good info.

I just requested to join a few minutes ago.

 

[454ragtop]

Also add, congrats, looks like a lot of lathe, has a taper attachment as well. Former government machine.

 

[woody 73]

A big congrats, waiting for my turn one day!

 

[Thumper68]

A big congrats, waiting for my turn one day!

Well at least you seem to be in an area where they come up often, good luck in the search.

 

[LXCam]

Kickass thumper. Congrats and good luck and let the expensive part starrrrrrrrrrt........now!

 

[Thumper68]

Kickass thumper. Congrats and good luck and let the expensive part starrrrrrrrrrt........now!

LOL I have been buying tooling and measuring tools at auctions and sales for the last few years knowing that I was going to find a lathe and mill at some point. The only things that I really want to add at this point are a quick change tool post and either a new single phase motor or a VFD of course I am leaning towards a VFD. For the time being I may just steal the one off the Clausing drill press since the lathe will be back to back with it.

Hmmm has anyone put a pig tail on the motor with a appropriate plug and used the same VFD for 2 tools.

IE both tools would have male plugs and the VFD would have a female plug and then you could just plug the tool you needed into the vfd.

Have to ask that over in the elec forum.

 

[drivesitfar]

Thumper: congrats. i've been starting my research on them and probably a year or two away from getting to know which one, how to use one and more importantly the space. are you going to continue this thread as a learning lathe thread or start another one up in fabrication cause i'm beginning to love watching your videos?

nice find

 

[Farmall450]

Congrats Thumper!
I bet you'll wonder how you lived without it in a year or so.

 

[Guster]

Nice machine and score on the extra tooling. I couldn't find the weight listed anywhere here - http://www.lathes.co.uk/sheldon/index.html but it is a fairly popular machine so parts should be available still.

Suggest you use it a bit before you invest in more tooling and QCTP. Reason I say that is that you may have to spend time and money on worn bits first and then figure out what size tooling you want to run.

10-11" lathes seem to be halfway between 1/2" and 5/8" tools and picking the wrong size QCTP may get you on centre height but mess up your choices for tools. I decided to go with larger 5/8" tooling for my 12" but means that I sometimes have to hang the toolholder over the side of the compound to get it low enough which doesn't make it that quickchange when I have to fiddle with it.

 

[Thumper68]

Thumper: congrats. i've been starting my research on them and probably a year or two away from getting to know which one, how to use one and more importantly the space. are you going to continue this thread as a learning lathe thread or start another one up in fabrication cause i'm beginning to love watching your videos?

nice find

Thanks Drives, I will be doing video's on both the learning and projects using the lathe once it is up and running.

Of course there will be a video of going to get it, loading it and unloading it.

Congrats Thumper!
I bet you'll wonder how you lived without it in a year or so.

Thanks, I am already wondering how I lived without one, I can only imagine how I will feel in a year.

Nice machine and score on the extra tooling. I couldn't find the weight listed anywhere here - http://www.lathes.co.uk/sheldon/index.html but it is a fairly popular machine so parts should be available still.

Suggest you use it a bit before you invest in more tooling and QCTP. Reason I say that is that you may have to spend time and money on worn bits first and then figure out what size tooling you want to run.

10-11" lathes seem to be halfway between 1/2" and 5/8" tools and picking the wrong size QCTP may get you on centre height but mess up your choices for tools. I decided to go with larger 5/8" tooling for my 12" but means that I sometimes have to hang the toolholder over the side of the compound to get it low enough which doesn't make it that quickchange when I have to fiddle with it.

I found a few weights for similar Sheldon Lathes in the 1500 to 1700 lb range.

Thanks for the tips on the QCTP you are right of course I need to get it home and see what it needs before I start buying tooling and accessories.

With that I decided that the most cost effective and efficient way to get it home is to rent a drop deck trailer for $80 and not have to call in a tow truck to lift it into my truck or trailer and then another one to lift it out.

So here is my list of stuff to bring along for the move.

Toe jack
2 4x4's to set it on and lag to. (would another dimension work better? Or I could bring enough to build a pallet the proper size)
3/4" pipe for rolling it.
lifting slings and ratchet straps to tie it down
Bull bar for helping move it in the right direction.
come along for getting it into the trailer
Blocking to keep all straps away from lead screw etc...
Heavy boxes for all the loose tooling

Is there anything I am missing?

Of course my worst fear is tipping it. I have moved stuff that is much heavier but also had a bigger foot print

 

[Thumper68]

According to the info on the Yahoo Sheldon group the lathe was built between 1955-1960

 

[larry_g]

I have a pair, one 10" and one 13". If you look in my build thread you will see how I move them with a floor jack.

BTW you scored on that package. I hope it is in good condition.

lg
no neat sig line

 

[Steve from Socal]

It has a metric threading chart, at some point it had the gears to transpose to metric pitch, see if you can find them. The most critical gear would be a double stacked gear with 60/127 teeth.

Steve

 

[Thumper68]

I have a pair, one 10" and one 13". If you look in my build thread you will see how I move them with a floor jack.

BTW you scored on that package. I hope it is in good condition.

lg
no neat sig line

It has a metric threading chart, at some point it had the gears to transpose to metric pitch, see if you can find them. The most critical gear would be a double stacked gear with 60/127 teeth.

Steve

Thanks for the info to both of you.

Larry what do you have on top of your floor jack?

I'm assuming that you are lifting from the chip pan?

Any idea of weight on the 10"?

Are there holes in the base to use lags to fasten it to a pallet or skids?

 

[Monkey Milk]

Congrats,

My friend has a 11, 40's something and a bxa tool post is just to big. Always sitting on the lower half almost bottoming out. But I think the sheldon can make use of the 5/8 tool holders, just not the tool post.

Also those are not 5C collets, I think its like J something. It will be stamped on the face.

Tooling up a lathe is cheap, wait till you have to do a mill!

 

[Guster]

At least around 1000lbs. If you can find the Sheldon manual it should advise how to lift it and if you can get your hands on an engine hoist it would reduce any risks of tipping and making it very easy to get on and off any trailer. You can then also decide whether to take it off the base - few bolts and unhook the drive belt from the motor - and have it sit flat in the trailer. Making it less tipsy in transit.

Otherwise if you're working on flat ground and can get your trailer right to where the lathe is you can easily drag it on with a come-along. Spare pair of hands will be great just to keep a hand on it and keep it from tipping as you pull it over bumps. Make sure you have a decent set of cargo straps and I would add a tarp or two... machine moving always invites rain for some reason.

Real mixture of tooling. I see what appear to be MT3 collets and on R8 mill collet. The collet chuck looks like a 3c/5c variety and appears to have a D1-something backplate where as the lathe appears to be L00 spindle so might need a bit of work to get it fitted. May be easier to sell it and buy the one that fits a L00 spindle.

 

[zmotorsports]

Nice score thumper. Congrats.

Mike.

 

[larry_g]

Thanks for the info to both of you.

Larry what do you have on top of your floor jack?

I'm assuming that you are lifting from the chip pan?


Are there holes in the base to use lags to fasten it to a pallet or skids?

On top of the jack is my 'Short Box' mostly used for standing on to reach higher work but is used for many things. Basically four walls of 2x12 with a 3/4" plywood top. And yes it is lifting from the chip pan as on mine they are 1/4" steel.

As for the holes for lagging down, both of mine have them.

As for tool posts I have an AXA on the 10" and a BXA on the 13". I really wanted to have the same on both but with out some kludging it would not work well so I settled on two different sizes.

lg
no neat sig line

 

[Thumper68]

Thanks guys!!

I always carry a tarp or 2 in the truck with cord to tie it down.

Just got a call from the rental place and the drop deck is not available tomorrow, so it will be a tilt bed trailer instead, a bit more fun but much lighter so I should get better mileage at least.

Plan as of now is to jack it up and put 2x8's under and build a pallet that it can be lagged to, then pipe rollers to move it to where the trailer is and winch it into the trailer.

Then ratchet strap the hell out of it and if it looks at all like rain tarp it. (Forecast is calling for clear and sunny.)

Google says it is 135 miles each way.

 

[Monkey Milk]

Thumper,

I'll interested in any d1-4 chucks or anything that fits a D1-4. Friend just pick up a lathe that tool less. Thanks

 

[My Old Tools]

I have the same lathe, same vintage. It takes an AXA toolpost. It's heavier than it looks but you can lift it with a standard engine hoist. Just grab it at the first web in front of the headstock and back the trailer under it. Lifting from above is always safer than rolling it.

Mine is D1-3 and the chucks and faceplates are serial numbered to the lathe. It took awhile but I finally found both steady and follow rests. They are not cheap.

 

[My Old Tools]

It has a metric threading chart, at some point it had the gears to transpose to metric pitch, see if you can find them. The most critical gear would be a double stacked gear with 60/127 teeth.

Steve

Metric gears are available from one source when he has them. He hasn't made any in awhile. You'll see him on the yahoo group.

 

[Thumper68]

Well it was a long day, just rolled in about 30 minutes ago.

The lathe pick up went real well, they had it up on a pallet and had a forklift there to load it.

We got it very well strapped and headed back to the shop, nice 3 hour drive.

Unloading went well too, in the auction pics you can not see the base all that well, but it is a heavy commercial kitchen work bench with 3 drawers on the right side, the motor and gear box are mounted under the bench, with some threaded rod and a heavy steel plate. Anyhow since the bench was for a kitchen. (2 or 2 1/2 thick butcher block) it has round steel legs, they had those on some old bleacher planks on top of the pallet, So we eased it off the pallet onto pipes and rolled it into position from there we used a floor jack to lift it and get the planks out.

I will have to make some leveling feet for it.

Everything seems to be in good shape, I checked all the gears and no teeth are chipped or missing, I moved everything I could without power and everything seems to work as it should. there are a few nicks in the ways nothing deep or in any way would keep it from being used. You can see a lot of the original scraping marks on all the machined surfaces.

I won't be able to play with it until next week, the wife and I are headed to Chicago for the weekend early tomorrow morning.

Ok I have teased you enough here are some pics.

 

[Slycox]

Very nice! Will be fun to watch you get it set up!

 

[Monkey Milk]

Today must be lathe day. Helped move a 13''.

 

[My Old Tools]

Those were made with hardened ways, so it you are seeing flaking on the ways, someone did later.

 

[tcianci]

Congrats on the lathe score! You will love having a lathe in the shop. My favorite QCTP is a brand called ALORIS. Unfortunately I have the same type of tool post as you got on your lathe on my South Bend machine. My machine is a 3 footer with a very small headstock. I have 3 and 4 jaw chucks as well as faceplates and dogs but no drawbar or collets, I'm not sure if they were even available for a small machine like mine.

 

[1badbird]

I buy and sell with Hansen and young too. Good people to deal with

 

[Thumper68]

Here is the video of the move, overall it went well, no one got hurt and the lathe survived as well.

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[drivesitfar]

Thumper: hope it's worth all the effort. nice video as per usual and a lot of muscle and brain work at the same time to get that MUTHER in place. WELL DONE!!

is it 220 power and do you have a plug close by or i'm guessing you'll soon get one if you don't have a heavy duty extension cord? or is it 110? you might have already mentioned it but i couldn't find where you did and since i don't own a lathe (yet) i'll probably ask more questions than have answers for your threads.

how heavy is it if you don't mind me asking? have you turned it on and any good or bad news to report?

good luck

 

[Slycox]

Very nice, good job on the move, looks like muscling it around on the pipes sucked donkey balls

 

[Thumper68]

Thumper: hope it's worth all the effort. nice video as per usual and a lot of muscle and brain work at the same time to get that MUTHER in place. WELL DONE!!

is it 220 power and do you have a plug close by or i'm guessing you'll soon get one if you don't have a heavy duty extension cord? or is it 110? you might have already mentioned it but i couldn't find where you did and since i don't own a lathe (yet) i'll probably ask more questions than have answers for your threads.

how heavy is it if you don't mind me asking? have you turned it on and any good or bad news to report?

good luck

Very worth the effort I have not finished setting it up as yet, tonights project is to clean it up and investigate it in detail.

It is a 3ph motor and will have to be run off a VFD, plan is to use the same one I use on the Clausing DP that sits right behind the lathe, at least that is the plan for now. Installing a female twist lock cord end off the VFD and male plugs on the lathe and DP. This will work until I reorganize the shop. I still have to make sure that the VFD I have will run the motor on the lathe.

From what I have found it weighs between 1500 and 1700 pounds

Very nice, good job on the move, looks like muscling it around on the pipes sucked donkey balls

actually the hardest part was getting it off the pallet onto the pipes, and even that was not all that hard but it was the point where the most bad things could have happened.

 

[Thumper68]

So did some cleaning, had to use a combo of degreaser and acetone to get the motor plate clean enough to read, but in the end it is there.

As I thought it is 3ph 3/4hp.

Started to get the wiring set up, still have to bypass the mag starter and drum switch, correct me if I am wrong but it is my understanding that VFD's do not like having any other switching controls down stream.

Another question I do not know if the motor is wired for low voltage ie 208-240 or high voltage 460. The motor connections are in a very bad location to get to see which way it is wired will it hurt anything if it is set up for 460 and I try and run it off 208-240?

 

[drivesitfar]

Thumper: you might want to start another thread either in this section which might get the most eyes or fabrication with a title that has LATHE in it so you can get some help. sorry i can't answer your electrical issues, but i'm sure some can.

sounds like it's cleaning up nicely so keep up the great work and hope it sounds good once you get it running.

one question i have since i don't have 3 phase is can the motors on these be changed to a 220 or 110 with a big HP and maybe a low RPM?

 

[Thumper68]

Thumper: you might want to start another thread either in this section which might get the most eyes or fabrication with a title that has LATHE in it so you can get some help. sorry i can't answer your electrical issues, but i'm sure some can.

sounds like it's cleaning up nicely so keep up the great work and hope it sounds good once you get it running.

one question i have since i don't have 3 phase is can the motors on these be changed to a 220 or 110 with a big HP and maybe a low RPM?

Drives I did start a new thread in the elec section and got my questions answered right away, I love this site.

As far as the 3 ph goes there are several ways of generating the third leg.

Variable frequency drive
rotary phase converter
and a static phase converter.


I'm using a VFD for now but in the future will be getting a rotary phase converter.

By switching to a 1 ph motor you lose a ton of benefits at a higher cost (unless you get the motor for almost free)

One of the biggest benefits of 3ph equipment is that in general people shy away from it so the cost can be lower than a similar single phase machine.

 

[Teenager with old tools]

pretty sure that's the same as mine how do you like it


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[454ragtop]

Thumper, the lathe will be a lot happier running off the VFD, expect you will be too. Might consider making up a magnetic mount box with start/stop, fwd/rev, and a speed pot to control your VFD, then you could move the switch box from the lathe to the drill press as needed.

 

[Thumper68]

Thumper, the lathe will be a lot happier running off the VFD, expect you will be too. Might consider making up a magnetic mount box with start/stop, fwd/rev, and a speed pot to control your VFD, then you could move the switch box from the lathe to the drill press as needed.

The VFD I am using has a removable control panel so all I need to do is order the cable and then I can move it from machine to machine.


And it is alive, just finished the wiring and after taking a few minutes to add lube to all the oil cups I gave it a shot.

So far everything I have tried has worked, going to take a bit to figure out all the controls.

Next step is to level it well enough to make some leveling feet.

I ordered a knock off aloris style tool post that should be here today.

I still have to go through and sort all the stuff that came with it and decide what is good, what I want to keep and what I will pass along.