Maybe someone could point me in the right direction. Looking for a full set of the vessel style bits, specifically torx (need t27 also). Just bought one of their cordless screwdrivers and not crazy about the amount of play when using standard 1/4 hex bits. The vessel style has a longer distance between the end of of the bit and where the ball detents engage. Is there anyone else who makes these besides vessel? Thanks in advance
Vessel style bits
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Those are not "Vessel style" bits. That style of shank is what's commonly used in Japan. Just the Vessel ones (they make em both ways) are easier to purchase in the US now.
Search Amazon Japan & you'll find lots of options. And of course there are other sources to buy from in Japan but you'll need to use a proxy shipper or buyer.
Search Amazon Japan & you'll find lots of options. And of course there are other sources to buy from in Japan but you'll need to use a proxy shipper or buyer.
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You can also buy the Makita piece p/n A-44672. It's just a spacer that you insert into the collet that takes up the play to use standard E6 bits. I bought em to use in my Deen.J branded screwdrivers.
I purchased them from Japan, not sure if there's a source for them in here in the US. Or you can just make your own. I was just gonna make some on the lathe but they only cost $1 ea so I just added them to one of my orders. Don't need a lathe to make em.
pizza
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i've never used the jp power shank personally (is there an actual name for it like E6?), but from what i've seen, it seems like the better standard. is it? if so, it's a shame it's not universally used.
I'm not sure if there is a name for them. I've heard people call them JDM bits/shank/collet. But that's not right IMO. JDM usually refers to automobiles & parts but I suppose it's not limited to. I just call em Japanese style bits.
Up until a year ago I never called them E6 or C6 (1" bits) either, I always knew them as power bits. But when I call them power bits some people don't know what I'm talking about. I don't know for sure or ever researched it but it seems like E6 & C6 is what PB Swiss calls them?
I don't see the advantage of Japanese style bits other than the longer end allows you the ability to integrate a drive head in it. I would rather use US/EU style power bits because that's what's most readily available to me as well as options.
I purchased the Deen.J branded electric screwdrivers (I have 2) instead of the Vessels for a few reasons, one being the collet..... so I was hoping. It's not made by Deen or in Japan, based on the picture below & that it comes with a Wera bit, I was hoping it had a standard US collet. But nope, it does have a Japanese collet. Luckily I purchased the Makita bit pieces anyway. And I'm glad the Deen.J doesn't have excessive runout/wobble issues.
Japanese style = JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard). If you work on Japanese motorcycles (Honda) chances are you need JIS bits (little dot on the head of the screw)
- Design: JIS bits have a slightly different cross-point design compared to Phillips bits. This design ensures a better fit and reduces the risk of slipping or damaging the screw head.
- Identification: JIS screws can often be identified by a dot or dimple on the screw head between two of the wings.
- Cam-out behavior: Phillips screwdrivers are designed to "cam out" (slip out) when a certain torque is reached to prevent over-tightening. JIS screwdrivers, on the other hand, are designed to maintain engagement, allowing the operator to control the torque
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acer66
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This!!!Japanese style = JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard). If you work on Japanese motorcycles (Honda) chances are you need JIS bits (little dot on the head of the screw)
Try McMaster Carr besides Amazon. My last Vessel screwdriver from Amazon was shipped from Japan at a reasonable price
- Design: JIS bits have a slightly different cross-point design compared to Phillips bits. This design ensures a better fit and reduces the risk of slipping or damaging the screw head.
- Identification: JIS screws can often be identified by a dot or dimple on the screw head between two of the wings.
- Cam-out behavior: Phillips screwdrivers are designed to "cam out" (slip out) when a certain torque is reached to prevent over-tightening. JIS screwdrivers, on the other hand, are designed to maintain engagement, allowing the operator to control the torque
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Getting Vessel screwdrivers for my Japanese bikes was one of my best maintenance purchases.
MichaelP
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The OP speaks about shank, not the driver tip.
acer66
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Oops.
Qualitytools
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Here is a video that talks about the various bits, and JDM Makita drivers. It maybe of interest
Ya, you have to keep up.
I quoted and was replying to darkzero in my post about JIS. He wrote "I don't see the advantage of Japanese style bits"
Did you forget what you wrote? "I don't see the advantage of Japanese style bits"Read te OP.
No I did not. If you had read my post entirely (or even the portion you quoted), as well as the OP & the pic he attached, you should have comprehended that we are talking about Japanese power bit shanks, not the tip or cross tip or "JIS" cross head screws.Did you forget what you wrote? "I don't see the advantage of Japanese style bits"
"Japanese style bits" does not automatically refer to just "JIS" cross head bits which by the way has been superceeded by a DIN standard.
pizza
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you didn't read his post (or the thread) and thought people were talking about JIS for some reason, which is fine, but why double down? lol
pizza
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actually **** it
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Well, one of the advantages of the Japanese style power bits shank is that if you use a plain old magnetic bit holder, the Japanese style power bits wobble much less than the regular style power bits. The disadvantage is that some of the locking bit holders don't really work with them, unless they can also work with insert bits.
One funny thing is that the Wera 813R ESD bit holding handle works way better with the Japanese style bits than with the standard Wera ones.
One funny thing is that the Wera 813R ESD bit holding handle works way better with the Japanese style bits than with the standard Wera ones.
JDV in NJ can get them for you.
