vintage craftsman ratchets
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Richard Cranium
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I see you have 2 of the craftsman speed ratchet. What your story on getting them?
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maddawg1952
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1 from a yard sale for $30 needed some love to make it work again and the other I won in an Ebay auction, seller said it was froze up. I had the guts for it already, but all it needed was to be cleaned, lubed and reassembled. Think I paid 50 and shipping. Most of the other ratchest came with sets I bought or I traded someone for the 15" 44986. That's just the box in the basement my working box in the garage has tons more but not as nicely stored. Most all my at home tools are craftsman V series I'm in my 60's and have been buying tools since I was in Trade School.
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sonvolt
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Nice collection !
Outlawmws
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DOlsen
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You mean the "Star Trek" switch?
The Star Trek switch is the big "V" selector.
Below are the two more modern styles of C-man ratchets. The "manta ray" selector on the left, the "baby rattle" selector on the right. I call them these names because of what the selector's remind me of. Helps me identify ratchets.
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Outlawmws
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Got it. Thx!
woody 73
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Re: Craftsman C-98 Ratchet made by Snap-On
No I have never seen that variety before but just last night I had a Hinsdale in my hands that looked like the your handle.
http://alloy-artifacts.org/Photos/tools/hinsdale_12dr_h12r_b_cropped_inset.jpg
No I have never seen that variety before but just last night I had a Hinsdale in my hands that looked like the your handle.
http://alloy-artifacts.org/Photos/tools/hinsdale_12dr_h12r_b_cropped_inset.jpg
Outlawmws
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DOlsen, That's interesting! And that it does not bear the "Long C" Craftsman name, and that patent, muddies things up a bit also...
Woody, that is also tied to Hinsdale is even more interesting,
http://www.google.com/patents/US2020883
I have conflicting codes for those "C" Codes...
Cxx = Probably New Britain or Hinsdale 1932-36
C-nn = Snap-on, ca. 1932 - 1936
From AA:
So did Snap On make these, or did they (and Sears) contract to Hinsdale?
EDIT: "Vanadium Steel" may be a clue, as Hinsdale used that and marked their tools with it. DOlsen are yours so marked? and where did you find 2 or then? are they 1/2" or 3/8" drive? :
Woody, that is also tied to Hinsdale is even more interesting,
http://www.google.com/patents/US2020883
- Publication number US2020883 A
- Publication type Grant
- Publication date Nov 12, 1935
- Filing date Mar 26, 1934
- Original Assignee Snap On Tools Inc
- Craftsman marked "Pat Pend" (So pre 1935? or close to it? - Always some overlap to the pat grant date...)
- Hinsdale copies exist...
I have conflicting codes for those "C" Codes...
Cxx = Probably New Britain or Hinsdale 1932-36
C-nn = Snap-on, ca. 1932 - 1936
From AA:
So did Snap On make these, or did they (and Sears) contract to Hinsdale?
EDIT: "Vanadium Steel" may be a clue, as Hinsdale used that and marked their tools with it. DOlsen are yours so marked? and where did you find 2 or then? are they 1/2" or 3/8" drive? :
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r_olson_06
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Re: Craftsman C-98 Ratchet made by Snap-On
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Those look alot like the vandium era ratchets a very rare unicorn. Where did you happen to find 2 of them?
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3baygarage
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Re: Craftsman C-98 Ratchet made by Snap-On
Yeah. That's like
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I'm still waiting to find one. That handle is Hinsdale all the way.
Gagne I know, was involved with Snap On.
Yeah. That's like
. I'm still waiting to find one. That handle is Hinsdale all the way.
Gagne I know, was involved with Snap On.
DOlsen
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The Craftsman handle does look similar to the Hinsdale, but there are some differences.
The Hinsdale is about 7/16" thick, the Crafsman is a bit over 1/2". The Hindale knurled panel is flatter, the Craftsman knurling wraps around the edges. The recesses are much deeper on the Craftsman.
I got both of the C-98 ratchets on eBay, and I paid dearly for them.
The Hinsdale is about 7/16" thick, the Crafsman is a bit over 1/2". The Hindale knurled panel is flatter, the Craftsman knurling wraps around the edges. The recesses are much deeper on the Craftsman.
I got both of the C-98 ratchets on eBay, and I paid dearly for them.
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3baygarage
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Great comparison photos, thank you. That's the first time I've seen them side by side.
What is your opinion on who produced that ratchet? Many seem to think Snap On for some of the C series.
What is your opinion on who produced that ratchet? Many seem to think Snap On for some of the C series.
DOlsen
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Here are some photos of a Snap-On PF-87 and a Craftsman CF-87 ratchet (both 3/8" drive). The Snap-On has a pin retainer, and the Craftsman has a ball retainer, but the overall construction is identical.
I think that it is clear that Snap-On made both of these.
As for the C-98, the patent belongs to Snap-On, but it covers the mechanism, not the handle design. In fact, the patent shows a round knurled handle style, not the flat Hinsdale style.
I think that it is clear that Snap-On made both of these.
As for the C-98, the patent belongs to Snap-On, but it covers the mechanism, not the handle design. In fact, the patent shows a round knurled handle style, not the flat Hinsdale style.
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3baygarage
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Once again very nice comparison. It's safe to say both Hinsdale and Snap On made tools for Craftsman.
You know, that is a good way to look at it.
I wish Sears would have had a more established nomenclature system when describing their ratchets. I can't tell you how many of them were called "Ratchet Wrench" or "Standard Quick Release Ratchet".
It reminds me of that TV show Newhard..."I'm Larry; this is my brother Darryl and this is my other brother Darryl.
Thanks.
I started doing this about 6 years ago when I got into ratchet collecting heavy. Seemed there was little/no nomenclature out there to differentiate ratchets. So, at the behest of another forum member, I started a thread and named them according to how their pawls or heads looked. And it went on from there. Twertsy was kind enough to use my labeling system when he started his tool archives site.