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antman213

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Picked up some German made pliers and was curious if anyone was familiar or had any info.

Largest of the 3 appears to have stamped "Steelcraft BRIT ZONE"
Smallest appears to say "Germany & Davidson" it is in bad shape though, looks like someone took it to a grinder.
The middle sized plier is in the best shape but unfortunately only says "Germany". Pretty neat though considering it is just a mini version with cutters.

Also found a nicely made ball pein that I'm assuming is shop made, and a set of Barcalo parrot slip joints.

Any one know about the "Brit Zone" thing?
 

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The Allied powers divided Germany post WW2 into zones controlled by each of them. It's extremely well documented history -- I'm sure Wikipedia has a bunch on the subject.
 
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The Allied powers divided Germany post WW2 into zones controlled by each of them. It's extremely well documented history -- I'm sure Wikipedia has a bunch on the subject.
Effectively W.Germany but before the end of the war? So it would be prior to 1945 i'm guessing
 

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Effectively W.Germany but before the end of the war? So it would be prior to 1945 i'm guessing
No. Exactly the opposite. Immediately after the defeat of Germany and the Axis Powers in 1945, the former boundaries of the country formerly known as Germany was split up into zones, as 4xdog just explained. West and East Germany were not created until 1949, when the tenuous bonds that made the Soviet Union and the US, England and others Allies during WWII finally fractured in a big way, precipitating the Cold War. In the interim (1945-1949), for humanitarian purposes, and because it was too soon to just hand what was left of the government and commercial infrastructure to Germans, the US and Great Britain occupying forces tried to reconstruct an economy. Companies like Steelcraft, exploiting cheap labor to make cheap products sold worldwide, jumped into the fray. Oxwall, too, by the way. That's when your tool was made. 4xdog's recommendation to read Wiki would probably be a good idea. But we also have a Steelcraft thread with other BRITISH ZONE tools and some discussion on this era. To find it, use the Index in the Stick that says README on it at the top of the forum.
 
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Crazy to me that they would even label it brit zone unless they thought it would be that way for a long time. I'm assuming there would be similarly stamped tools regarding the other zones.

In any case, I figured being this is a vintage tool forum, you guys would appreciate seeing these as much as I do
 

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I’ve got a couple of Brit or British Zone marked tools, a chisel and pliers jump quickly to mind.
 
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Crazy to me that they would even label it brit zone unless they thought it would be that way for a long time.
It's easy to look at Germany now, which is not only stable, but re-unified, and think that, but at the time, nothing was certain, and many geopolitical outcomes were possible. Seriously. Think about how many countries are still occupied or disputed territories since WWII. It was not out of the question and there were serious politicians who didn't think it should ever be its own nation-state again, after being a major antagonist in two world wars in the span of half a century.

In terms of the marking, you have to understand that there was a fierce competition between zones, even before they were established. It was discussed by FDR, Churchill, and Stalin at three major conferences, in London and Yalta even before the end of the war, and finally in Potsdam. It was only three zones until Potsdam, when Stalin agreed to let France have a zone, but only if it didn't come out of his slice of the postwar pie. The French zone was carved out of the British and American zones. In terms of commerce, the value of the zones wasn't even close. The British Zone had by far the largest population centers, almost all the industry, and all the ports. The division, the products and travel restrictions, and the acrimony surrounding it were all part of the lead-up to the Cold War.
 

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I remember that time when Germany was being re-united. In my work I would meet W Germans that said the problem was that under Russian rule the E Germans did not get the education needed for an advanced society. To be competitive with their relatives in the West. It took a few years but all that is behind them I think.
 

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Interesting tools. I don't recall ever seeing any Brit Zone tools in the flesh.

I remember that time when Germany was being re-united. In my work I would meet W Germans that said the problem was that under Russian rule the E Germans did not get the education needed for an advanced society. To be competitive with their relatives in the West. It took a few years but all that is behind them I think.

I remember reading George Orwell's novel "1984" when in school in the late 60's. When the actual year came to pass in 1984 it was refreshing to realize his novel didn't come true. In subsequent years I often wondered how Orwell could have conceived of the ideas in his book specially since he published it in 1949. Then I have learned of the Stasi, the Russian East German police who spied on everyone up until the Berlin wall came down when they fled back to Russia. Suddenly it was more evident where Orwell's ideas and insight had come from. China is much closer to achieving "1984" now with their social credit system, facial recognition cameras everywhere and media control. It seems Germany has climbed out of the doldrums but the world is the new host.

I buy a lot of German made tools, mostly Hazet, Stahlwille and Gedore but I'd jump at the chance to own some Brit Zone tools from that era. Thanks for posting.
 

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Interesting tools. I don't recall ever seeing any Brit Zone tools in the flesh.



I remember reading George Orwell's novel "1984" when in school in the late 60's. When the actual year came to pass in 1984 it was refreshing to realize his novel didn't come true. In subsequent years I often wondered how Orwell could have conceived of the ideas in his book specially since he published it in 1949. Then I have learned of the Stasi, the Russian East German police who spied on everyone up until the Berlin wall came down when they fled back to Russia. Suddenly it was more evident where Orwell's ideas and insight had come from. China is much closer to achieving "1984" now with their social credit system, facial recognition cameras everywhere and media control. It seems Germany has climbed out of the doldrums but the world is the new host.

I buy a lot of German made tools, mostly Hazet, Stahlwille and Gedore but I'd jump at the chance to own some Brit Zone tools from that era. Thanks for posting.
Orwell wasn’t the only prescient author, nor the first. Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World”, Franz Kafka’s “The Trial”, H. G. Wells’ “The Time Machine”; all reported the encroachment of government into private lives, as did many others. At one time it was a new phenomenon, almost a fad to be dwelt on and examined, as it was so new. Early Twilight Zone episodes, series like “The Prisoner”, Alfred Hitchcock Presents, were investigations into political and psychological possibilities. Movies like “Brazil”, or even “Casablanca”. The subject has lost its appeal due to its ubiquitousness and commonality. What was once new and interesting as a subject becomes banal with repetition and acceptance. The political machinations that made Metternich, Bismarck, House, Goebbels, Dulles, and even Kissinger exceptional are commonplace now, and there is little remarkable about business as usual. Don’t discount the possibility that you are subject to the political reality of “1984” unbeknowingly. The success of totalitarianism is in the acceptance, whether active or passive, of its constrictions. The best prison is one that does not feel restrictive to the prisoner. To be a prisoner without knowing that you are, or providing incentives that make you want to be imprisoned, represents the ultimate success of totalitarianism, and a hundred years of refinement has certainly created a model that serves the purposes of governments well. Propaganda, revisionist history, nationalism, sectionalism, political divisions artificially created, and the creation of “them” work together to manipulate the citizenry ( a term used to describe the subjects of a country: citizenship connotes informed collusion) into manageable and controllable unit. Orwell served in the Spanish Civil War. He describes how both sides used misinformation to describe battles that never occurred while ignoring decisive battles that did occur, medals given to nonexistent recipients, military movements and actions that were completely created out of whole cloth, all to manipulate the perceptions of the public and the world. Hitler did the same thing when colluding with England and France on the dissolution of Czechoslovakia, describing in radio broadcasts riots and lawlessness that did not exist in order to justify his rescue of the Sudeten Germansfrom non-existent threats from Bolshevik Czechs. Woodrow Wilson, with his establishment of the Creel Committee, whose sole purpose was to propagandize the people of the United States to support United States entry into war with Germany, established a precedent of using an official government entity to influence support for policies that he knew were unpopular with the public. 1984 was occurring long before 1984, and it’s refinement and implementation has methodically and effectively progressed and still is progressing. The threats to its continuation are represented by the likes of Eric Snowden and Julian Assange. When they are no longer threats, totalitarianism will have been fully implemented.
 

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Orwell wasn’t the only prescient author, nor the first. Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World”, Franz Kafka’s “The Trial”, H. G. Wells’ “The Time Machine”; all reported the encroachment of government into private lives, as did many others. At one time it was a new phenomenon, almost a fad to be dwelt on and examined, as it was so new. Early Twilight Zone episodes, series like “The Prisoner”, Alfred Hitchcock Presents, were investigations into political and psychological possibilities. Movies like “Brazil”, or even “Casablanca”. The subject has lost its appeal due to its ubiquitousness and commonality. What was once new and interesting as a subject becomes banal with repetition and acceptance. The political machinations that made Metternich, Bismarck, House, Goebbels, Dulles, and even Kissinger exceptional are commonplace now, and there is little remarkable about business as usual. Don’t discount the possibility that you are subject to the political reality of “1984” unbeknowingly. The success of totalitarianism is in the acceptance, whether active or passive, of its constrictions. The best prison is one that does not feel restrictive to the prisoner. To be a prisoner without knowing that you are, or providing incentives that make you want to be imprisoned, represents the ultimate success of totalitarianism, and a hundred years of refinement has certainly created a model that serves the purposes of governments well. Propaganda, revisionist history, nationalism, sectionalism, political divisions artificially created, and the creation of “them” work together to manipulate the citizenry ( a term used to describe the subjects of a country: citizenship connotes informed collusion) into manageable and controllable unit. Orwell served in the Spanish Civil War. He describes how both sides used misinformation to describe battles that never occurred while ignoring decisive battles that did occur, medals given to nonexistent recipients, military movements and actions that were completely created out of whole cloth, all to manipulate the perceptions of the public and the world. Hitler did the same thing when colluding with England and France on the dissolution of Czechoslovakia, describing in radio broadcasts riots and lawlessness that did not exist in order to justify his rescue of the Sudeten Germansfrom non-existent threats from Bolshevik Czechs. Woodrow Wilson, with his establishment of the Creel Committee, whose sole purpose was to propagandize the people of the United States to support United States entry into war with Germany, established a precedent of using an official government entity to influence support for policies that he knew were unpopular with the public. 1984 was occurring long before 1984, and it’s refinement and implementation has methodically and effectively progressed and still is progressing. The threats to its continuation are represented by the likes of Eric Snowden and Julian Assange. When they are no longer threats, totalitarianism will have been fully implemented.
Yes.
And every time the internet doesn't work it reminds me of "The Machine Stops" by E. M. Forster!

I have some German 'zone' stuff, will have to look it out though and 'may be some time', as Titus Oats said..
 
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Orwell wasn’t the only prescient author, nor the first. Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World”, Franz Kafka’s “The Trial”, H. G. Wells’ “The Time Machine”; all reported the encroachment of government into private lives, as did many others. At one time it was a new phenomenon, almost a fad to be dwelt on and examined, as it was so new. Early Twilight Zone episodes, series like “The Prisoner”, Alfred Hitchcock Presents, were investigations into political and psychological possibilities. Movies like “Brazil”, or even “Casablanca”. The subject has lost its appeal due to its ubiquitousness and commonality. What was once new and interesting as a subject becomes banal with repetition and acceptance. The political machinations that made Metternich, Bismarck, House, Goebbels, Dulles, and even Kissinger exceptional are commonplace now, and there is little remarkable about business as usual. Don’t discount the possibility that you are subject to the political reality of “1984” unbeknowingly. The success of totalitarianism is in the acceptance, whether active or passive, of its constrictions. The best prison is one that does not feel restrictive to the prisoner. To be a prisoner without knowing that you are, or providing incentives that make you want to be imprisoned, represents the ultimate success of totalitarianism, and a hundred years of refinement has certainly created a model that serves the purposes of governments well. Propaganda, revisionist history, nationalism, sectionalism, political divisions artificially created, and the creation of “them” work together to manipulate the citizenry ( a term used to describe the subjects of a country: citizenship connotes informed collusion) into manageable and controllable unit. Orwell served in the Spanish Civil War. He describes how both sides used misinformation to describe battles that never occurred while ignoring decisive battles that did occur, medals given to nonexistent recipients, military movements and actions that were completely created out of whole cloth, all to manipulate the perceptions of the public and the world. Hitler did the same thing when colluding with England and France on the dissolution of Czechoslovakia, describing in radio broadcasts riots and lawlessness that did not exist in order to justify his rescue of the Sudeten Germansfrom non-existent threats from Bolshevik Czechs. Woodrow Wilson, with his establishment of the Creel Committee, whose sole purpose was to propagandize the people of the United States to support United States entry into war with Germany, established a precedent of using an official government entity to influence support for policies that he knew were unpopular with the public. 1984 was occurring long before 1984, and it’s refinement and implementation has methodically and effectively progressed and still is progressing. The threats to its continuation are represented by the likes of Eric Snowden and Julian Assange. When they are no longer threats, totalitarianism will have been fully implemented.
Well said. And scary to think how close we are to a dystopian future.
 
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