Vintage Pul-Pusher Pliers (Possible Plomb)

[r_olson_06]

I bought these thing they were a Plomb production with the very art deco handle design. After looking side by side they seem to be not for the standard mold of the 227 plomb pliers. Has anyone heard of this company? Did a search in TESS and google and nothing turned up.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrench 3061

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

They do look a lot like 227 or 228 name knurl plombs, but I've sure never heard of Pul-Pusher? Sure are cool though. Nice find. Ed.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Remember, Plomb didn't make their own pliers. What's interesting about the handle to me is the way it seems to take off on Plomb's Name-Nurl idea.

 

[r_olson_06]

They do look a lot like 227 or 228 name knurl plombs, but I've sure never heard of Pul-Pusher? Sure are cool though. Nice find. Ed.

The bad pics are of a 227 but the pin where they hinge is different the Plombs is a circle and these are some sort of polygon. They could be similar to a 228 but I don't have a pair for comparison.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrench 3061

 

[r_olson_06]

Remember, Plomb didn't make their own pliers. What's interesting about the handle to me is the way it seems to take off on Plomb's Name-Nurl idea.

That is a good point. I know JP made some but they made the name knurled design as well?

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrench 3061

 

[woody 73]

Remember, Plomb didn't make their own pliers. What's interesting about the handle to me is the way it seems to take off on Plomb's Name-Nurl idea.

Very interesting I learn something new everyday.

 

[Leviton]

That is one cool handle decoration (the name).

 

[woody 73]

Yes indeed this is a great post, I have yet to see a pul-push from any of their older catalogs. I am thinking it had to have come from sometime in the 1940's ?

 

[RubiconJK]

Roy, I missed this thread until now. To me, those look like they could be Utica. I've not seen that mark before either! Neat find.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

That is a good point. I know JP made some but they made the name knurled design as well?

No. Only Utica made Name-Nurl pliers for Plomb. Plomb Name-Nurl pliers ended with the switch from Utica to JPD in October 1947. The last catalog that Name-Nurl pliers are shown in is 19-R REPRINT, which I date to NET 2/1944 to NLT 10/1947.

Yes indeed this is a great post, I have yet to see a pul-push from any of their older catalogs. I am thinking it had to have come from sometime in the 1940's ?

Who are you referring to by "their" catalogs, Woody? It has not been established that these are a Plomb product. My money is still on Utica for somebody else and they appropriated what Plomb called Name-Nurl for that client and put the "Pul-Pusher" on their instead.

What do you guys make of the figure (not a letter, but a shape) between the "L" in PUL and the hyphen? What is that? And why is it there? Other than that shape, there is nothing in the panel except letters. Are we supposed to be reading the name somehow else? Like Pul-something Pusher? EDIT: Reason I ask is, Pul-Pusher is defying all my google-fu.

 

[woody 73]

I just need more proof about who made pliers for plomb. Do you guys have some kind of proof about other companies that indeed made pliers for plomb? Anything in the literature perhaps we could see?

If I could see pictures from all the different companies in a side by side that would sell me, as to a another maker.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Only one supplier as far as I know: Utica, from the beginning through 10/1947, when Plomb acquired J.P. Danielson and they were made in-house at the old J.P. Danielson plant. You can look through the Plomb cats online at TA 2.0 if you want to decide for yourself. But it's very conclusive, in my opinion.

 

[RTM]

What do you guys make of the figure (not a letter, but a shape) between the "L" in PUL and the hyphen? What is that? And why is it there? Other than that shape, there is nothing in the panel except letters. Are we supposed to be reading the name somehow else? Like Pul-something Pusher? EDIT: Reason I ask is, Pul-Pusher is defying all my google-fu.

How about a second L? Getting multiple old ebay hits on expired listings for “Pull-Pusher” pliers

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Vtg-Pull-Pu...311658?hash=item5d9c3eacaa:g:gDoAAOSwBi5eLgz2

 

[Private Lugnutz]

How about a second L?

Uh, yeah. That's it. Much more visible in this photo (taken from sold listing...) than in Roy's. Searching on Pull-Pusher might get us somewhere.

 

[Plombob]

That's very cool!
Never heard of the company.

 

[MR.X]

My unhelpful contrarian take.......I've run into these pliers a few times and I think whatever effect they were going for with the bold design on the semi streamlined and somewhat ergonomic shape of the pliers themselves is ruined by the randomly canted alphabet baby block lettering....as well as the whole "pull-pusher" thing which seems a little forced, derivative and clunky.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

My main interest is in identifying who made them and/or who sold them, and, unfortunately, clarifying the actual name ("PULL-PUSHER", not "PUL-PUSHER") has not helped!

 

[RTM]

But, the seller thought it was a Plomb too. with OldToolNut as his user, he might be one of us, and we have a few members in Cocoa FL

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I'm not understanding your "But," RTM. Please note that I have no stake in this other than in verifying who made it and/or sold it. OldToolNut thinking it resembles Plomb doesn't really mean anything more than Roy thinking the same thing, and I know Roy won't take offense to that. I'm not arguing with the rationale. I totally understand where both of them are coming from due to the profile of the pliers and the brand name on the handle being forged in such an intentional way as to have a dual purpose as a gripping surface, a concept Plomb used, explicitly calling it "Name-Nurl" in their catalogs as early as the mid-1930's.

But the facts seemingly defy it being a Plomb product. Unless everyone has missed it, there is no catalog or ad record of Plomb using "Push-Pull" as a brand name. If they did, and nobody has any record of it, it would have all kinds of other implications of epic proportions. So doubting that is not cavalier; jumping to that conclusion without documentation is. On top of that, their Name-Nurl pliers were made by Utica, which logically raises the possibility of Utica making pliers for someone else who copied the Plomb Name-Nurl grip idea. Also, let's keep in mind that Plomb did not apply the "Name-Nurl" handles exclusively to duckbills. Their dykes, linesman's, and battery pliers also had "Name-Nurl" grips in that era.

Maybe MR. X can tell us if the other "PULL-PUSHER" pliers he has seen before were duckbills or other kinds.

I hope that clarifies my position.

 

[MR.X]

only duckbills like Roy's example..my sample size is pretty small, a couple in hand and a few online.

 

[3baygarage]

Pull-Pusher. Pull-Ups. Huggies Pull-Ups. Huggies, Nuggies.
Nuggies = Blackhawk.

Never mind. I give up.

They look sweet whatever they are.

 

[r_olson_06]

No offense taken. Sorry for name the name mishap the lettering actually much smaller than in the picture. I bought them just at the possibility they were Plomb and the price was fair for them.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrench 3061

 

[Private Lugnutz]

only duckbills like Roy's example..my sample size is pretty small, a couple in hand and a few online.

Thanks, X.

Sorry for the name mishap the lettering actually much smaller than in the picture. I bought them just at the possibility they were Plomb and the price was fair for them.

No apologies necessary, Roy. And I would totally buy them without hesitation if I ran into them in the wild, Plomb or not. But it's the unsolved mystery that will nag at me the most!

 

[RTM]

But ==> implies he feels the same way as those on this thread. Maybe we're missing some obscure reference to it in Plomb, maybe we're blowing smoke w Plomb.

But yeah, the google fu is failing on this one on this side of the continent too. No trademarks, nothing in Books, not at Archive.org, but lots of pneumatic nailer and forklift references.

And by the way, that's the only reason I care, find the results via google or however. I could never have guessed that as a Plomb.

 

[r_olson_06]

Thanks, X.


No apologies necessary, Roy. And I would totally buy them without hesitation if I ran into them in the wild, Plomb or not. But it's the unsolved mystery that will nag at me the most! [emoji38]

The last eBay gamble didnt pay off for me trying to buy a WF-89 that mismarked and the seller backed out. The time before that did pay out big with that very early Plomb ALAM wrench. Have to roll the dice every now and then. I am chalking it up to a win for these.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrench 3061

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Sometimes you just take a chance on stuff like that

 

[twertsy]

Wow. I can't find nuttin………….that's pretty rare.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Really, really annoying.

 

[twertsy]

Really, really annoying.

No doubt. Nothing in newspapers, directories, my super-secret trademark source...…………...nothing anywhere.

 

[r_olson_06]

If anyone has a compare Utica I can take some measurements to find the OEM.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrench 3061

 

[woody 73]

I have never seen anything like the op's pliers before, darn if I can find anything on the web either; This is why I love the vintage tool section; so very glad this post did not die in one day.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

…...nothing anywhere.

I tried combinations of Utica and Pull-Pusher, too. I even followed up on ssdave's idea, which does have some merit (FPS did use an inset on the inside of the handle, and, while they're not rows of little suction cups, the letters are reminiscent of the same concept...), but nothing there, either.