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An instructor of mine, way back when, told us they used to have two versions of some programs - 1 with comments, 1 without.

The version without comments could be loaded and run. With the comments, the code took up too much space - was just used for reference.
I don’t know about that. Comments aren’t converted to executable object code by any compiler/assembler that I ever heard of. Even the early single pass assemblers that NASA used had robust comments…in the source code.
 

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Just thinking that my engineering career started exactly 50 years ago. I worked with a lot of guys what started at Martin Marietta in the 40's to 60's. Lots of really smart people. I started with a masters degree in engineering-math-physics and thought I was smart. Took about a week to realize I had a LOT to learn!! LOL. It was a fun career for real. Ended up making deep space nuclear power devices that are on Mars.
 

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I don’t know about that. Comments aren’t converted to executable object code by any compiler/assembler that I ever heard of. Even the early single pass assemblers that NASA used had robust comments…in the source code.
Many years ago. As I recall, it was interpretive BASIC. Not compiled.
 

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There's also Luky's Hardware on Burbank Blvd

Luky's is a great place for all kinds of hardware, but nothing that qualifies as "space" related. I used to get all kinds of hardware from Luky, and she is friendly to her customers.
 

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Wondered what happened to the Apollo mission computers, also I though they were much bigger.

 

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Having grown up in Huntsville Ala the whole existence of Marshal Space Flight Center (and von Braun) being located there is due to Army's Redstone Arsenal established there years prior. To this day all kinds of vintage electronics can be had there (if one knows where/who to look/ask).
I picked up a couple of Vectron Laboratories FS-323 Frequency Standards mainly due to the quality of their 'builds'; very well designed', appear bulletproof.
These are interesting units having been unique to Nike installations. Initially my interest was to repurpose as audio enclosures, but testing showed perfect function.
From tech manual: "The oscillator portion employs a 5MHz fifth-overtone crystal. The crystal, oscillator and other critical circuitry is housed within he inner of two concentric ovens which maintain virtually constant temp...."

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Speaking of vintage equipment and coding, here is something of interest to people who enjoy the history of data, its use, and developments.

Viewtron, a product of Knight-Ridder and AT&T, was the brainchild of Norm Morrison, vice-president of technology for Knight-Ridder. It started in Miami and Coral Gables FL in 1983. That's 10 years before the www.



From the above link:
Using telephone circuitry and a typical television set, Viewtron will offer a variety of news, banking and shopping services from more than 100 merchants, as well as brokerage quotations, travel information, educational, health and reference materials, and games. Subscribers will have access to more than two million pages of information, one of the largest and potentially most useful data packages ever assembled in the United States. There is even a graffiti board for scribblings, although Viewdata officials are quick to point out that they'll censor anything that's too much like what can be found on New York City subways.

But as the importance of videotex to AT&T grew, Viewdata and AT&T officials as well seem to believe that it is not the news services that will drive the product's sales. In an AT&T Ridgewood, N.J., videotex test with CBS Inc., for instance, "the relative importance of news went down," said Clarence Selin, AT&T director for strategic planning and consumer information products.

Home shoppers can get liquor delivered from local liquor stores and products from Burdines and J. C. Penney. Two brokerage houses, 12 banks and six insurance and finance companies are involved in the banking end.
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I knew Norm, and I used the Viewtron system at his home in Hollywood FL in 1983. I also visited the Viewtron offices in Miami, where the videotex 'pages' (a single screen of computer monitor content was called a 'page' which could be displayed on subscribers' TV screens) were created, and made available to the subscribers. The data was contained on a mainframe computer kept in a room in a clear plastic climate-controlled cube. I watched as the data, of such things as news off the wire services was laid-out, and then stored on the mainframe for retrieval by subscribers. There was also a form of email between two subscribers. Unfortunately, it was not the exact model of success in the public marketplace, and it closed operations after three years. It was a pioneering effort among many large corporations, who would later embrace the www.
 
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An instructor of mine, way back when, told us they used to have two versions of some programs - 1 with comments, 1 without.

The version without comments could be loaded and run. With the comments, the code took up too much space - was just used for reference.

Your instructor lied to you, sort of.

Source code gets comments. Once run through the assembler or compiler, the output binary is what matters to the computer.
 

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That was true into the late 1980s on the phone switching systems I coded for. But, no comments in the assembly code anywhere - documentation was via flowcharts; no 2nd code base with comments. Debugging was done with hex dumps, knowing where the registers were, OP codes, etc.

Patches consisted of inserting a jump-to-subroutine in the main code pointing to a (small) section of spare memory then a jump back to the main code.

Modern compiled code (e.g. C back then) was deemed too slow. Some ancillary code (e.g. billing records) were in PL/1 and records were written to those big mag tape reels for post-processing.

Then came the 800 network (wow, no more caller-pays toll calls or 10xxx prefixes?) then fast forward to mid-1990s and "The Web" then 30+ years to "The Cloud".

Oh, my, I'm regressing...

Curious, what switching systems you worked on? Dad spent his career with AT&T working on 4ESS.

I’ve done quite a lot of debugging from hex dumps. A low level patches, hacking in new features from reverse engineering code. Fun times.
 

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Your instructor lied to you, sort of.

Source code gets comments. Once run through the assembler or compiler, the output binary is what matters to the computer.

Not really. He was talking about interpreted code. BASIC as I recall.

Yes, I know about assemblers & compilers.... Retired after 37 years as a software developer/manager.
 

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I'm fond of vintage electronics and electrical tools history, recently working on a project of robust dc supply system that can bear adverse weathers. We want to make it tough enough to withstand 60 plus celcius to -40 environments. Some of classic works helped us alot specially some of nasa electronics projects.
 
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Im actually building my own cctv/security system… and making it look a bit like a 60s era nasa Mission Control system. Hard to explain, but for obvious reasons it’s not something I want to show off.
Will your system include Kananga Remote Controlled Coconut Head Camera Guns?
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In my cyber security career I had the luck to work on several projects for NASA. Best trip was working at Cape Canaveral and getting an unauthorized tour of the original mission control. The leftover infrastructure was amazing to see such as the comm consoles. The building was just a storage facility full of junk (not the good kind) when I was there in 2004.
I'm also building a basement control center for my security consoles (cameras/network lab). Hoping to recreate that feel. Regretting the mountains of hardware I let get scrapped from my time with Bell labs.
 

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Apex Surplus in the San Fernando Valley is a toy store. Always something interesting there.
They've supplied props for many, many sci-fi productions.

https://apexsurplus.com


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Hmmm.... I may have to mosey out there and wander around.
SFV just seems like the other side of the world to me but, in reality, it's under an hour.
 
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