vinyl siding

[kgmunro]

I want to vinyl side my garage and house.Can I side over the existing stucco? I also want to add some foam insulation under the siding. I will be replacing the windows so siding to window depth is not a concern. Does this sound right in order of install.... existing stucco..house wrap..foam insulation..vinyl siding. Do I need to house wrap or will this cause problems?

 

[tigerbalm2424]

I want to vinyl side my garage and house.Can I side over the existing stucco? I also want to add some foam insulation under the siding. I will be replacing the windows so siding to window depth is not a concern. Does this sound right in order of install.... existing stucco..house wrap..foam insulation..vinyl siding. Do I need to house wrap or will this cause problems?

Just curious as to why you want to change over to vinyl? Have you slept in a house wrapped in vinyl siding during a wind storm? I never understood why my father didnt change his masonite siding to vinyl until I bought My house. It has vinyl and its noisy as hell during a wind storm. THen again, maybe it was just the original builder skimping time to get it right, as he did on everything else...

 

[kgmunro]

my last house was vinyl sided and it did not bother me a bit. I live in Canada and the harsh winters blow hard on the house. It was not noisey at all!

 

[tigerbalm2424]

my last house was vinyl sided and it did not bother me a bit. I live in Canada and the harsh winters blow hard on the house. It was not noisey at all!

Yep, must have just been another crappy install job by the builder of my house!

 

[PAToyota]

Is the idea to get more insulation? Or change the appearance?

It is hard to say what you'd want to do without knowing more about what is currently on there. You mention the housewrap, but you don't want to create multiple vapor barriers. The moisture has to be able to travel out of the wall - either to the inside or the outside - rather than get trapped between sets of vapor barriers.

They do make a vinyl siding product that has the insulation attached - if you are DIYing this project that would make things easier and more straightforward. Something like this product: http://www.fullback.com/

Another option would be to "glue" a layer of insulation to the existing stucco and then trowel on another layer of an EIFS type product (Exterior Insulation Finish System - Dryvit or such).

 

[April]

I want to vinyl side my garage and house.Can I side over the existing stucco? I also want to add some foam insulation under the siding. I will be replacing the windows so siding to window depth is not a concern. Does this sound right in order of install.... existing stucco..house wrap..foam insulation..vinyl siding. Do I need to house wrap or will this cause problems?

I can't imagine wanting to side *over* stucco. Stucco is one of the lowest maintenance sidings you can get - the stucco on my house is 104 years old. It's great!

In any case, I'd probably talk to some contractors who only do stucco. It can be temperamental, and most vinyl siding people I've talked to generally have no clue about stucco. My totally uneducated guess is that it's going to be a bad idea to build over the stucco. Stucco needs to "breathe", and I have no idea if or how much ambient moisture might get trapped behind the vinyl and slowly ruin the stucco.

 

[RickP330]

With Tyvek the breathing issue is no problem. You problem will be how you want to fasten the siding to the stucco. My house was sheathed in Gypsm board and then vinyl over that. You could pull the nails out with your fingertips and was noisy poor insulating. I ripped it all down and sheathed the structure with 3/4" plywood, Tyvek, fiber insulation and then vinyl (I wanted to do fiber cement, but the cost was not worth it on my house). Now the vinyl is properly fastened to the 3/4" ply below. Works great, looks great and it's a tight installation.

It all depends on what you have under the stucco that would make it a successful installation.
RickP

 

[blkhonda1991]

With Tyvek the breathing issue is no problem. You problem will be how you want to fasten the siding to the stucco. My house was sheathed in Gypsm board and then vinyl over that. You could pull the nails out with your fingertips and was noisy poor insulating. I ripped it all down and sheathed the structure with 3/4" plywood, Tyvek, fiber insulation and then vinyl (I wanted to do fiber cement, but the cost was not worth it on my house). Now the vinyl is properly fastened to the 3/4" ply below. Works great, looks great and it's a tight installation.

It all depends on what you have under the stucco that would make it a successful installation.
RickP

that is the one problem i come up with as well, how do you fasten the siding to the wall witht he stucco still in place

 

[Bevis]

might have to attach some type of furing strip to the wall first....just my guess.

 

[nissan_crawler]

Just curious as to why you want to change over to vinyl? Have you slept in a house wrapped in vinyl siding during a wind storm? I never understood why my father didnt change his masonite siding to vinyl until I bought My house. It has vinyl and its noisy as hell during a wind storm. THen again, maybe it was just the original builder skimping time to get it right, as he did on everything else...

Your builder sucked. I have a vinyl house in Kansas (second windiest state), and it's no louder than a similar wood sided house in North Dakota (windiest state).

Masonite *****.

 

[kgmunro]

Thanks for the comments/ideas guys! I was not sure about the house wrap. I read that if you use ring nails / concrete nails and mount 1x3 strips to thestucco you can install vinyl siding overtop. Besides the cracks that were poorly repaired (very noticeable) I really really hate the look of stucco. Remember everyone has their own opinion so don't get mad by this comment!!

 

[April]

Thanks for the comments/ideas guys! I was not sure about the house wrap. I read that if you use ring nails / concrete nails and mount 1x3 strips to the stucco you can install vinyl siding overtop. Besides the cracks that were poorly repaired (very noticeable) I really really hate the look of stucco. Remember everyone has their own opinion so don't get mad by this comment!!

I don't think people will get offended if you don't like a particular building material. It's not like you said you hated Snappys or anything outrageous like that.

If you don't like stucco, have you considered just having it removed? It will probably take about 10k off the value of your house, but at least that way you can make sure that the vinyl is done right, the stucco won't rot, and any underlying structural problems are taken care of.

 

[PAToyota]

If the stucco is failing, I'd check into removing/securing it first. Last thing that you want is to go to the trouble of "improving" things only to have the underlayment fail and have things starting to fall off...

No problem with choice of materials - to each his own - that's what it is all about. Just that going to vinyl usually lowers the resale value. But if the existing stucco is failing, you may actually be improving the value.

Again, I'd consider the vinyl with the insulated backing that I posted (or similar) - it will kill two birds with one stone (insulate and new exterior) and be more stable than plain vinyl.

 

[RickP330]

Let me make a bizzare reccomendation here. Rip down the stucco and underlying support, re-sheet the house in 3/4 plywood and apply the siding over that. I say this because I have been exactly in your position for the last 5 years trying to decide what to do. I got a really good contractor to help me and after we did the roof we were sitting there looking at options and we both came to the reaization that the gypsum board just had to come down. it was expensive, but I am SOOOO glad now that it is done, my house just so solid now and I'm good to go for Loooong time now.
Rick