Vise Info Thread

[davethorik]

And now for an oddball.

Dropfo 3" swivel base, made by The Fulton Drop Forge Co. of Canal Fulton, Ohio. (Thanks bl00 for the ad.)
3" jaw, 5.5" opening, weight 22 lbs.

In addition to being neat looking, this vise also has a wedge-lock system in the swivel base that locks the swivel when vise jaws are tightened. You can also independently lock the swivel base with the small lever under the dynamic jaw.

This vise has some issues. The swivel base is seized. I got the swivel lock loose with an alignment punch, but the base won't budge. The vise itself functions fine, some play but not bad. The handle for swivel lock is missing. The main handle is slightly tweaked. Lots -o- saw marks. Lastly, the jaw pad on the dynamic jaw looks to be a larger than original replacement, and is loose.

Edit: oh yeah, forgot: vise is made of drop forged steel.

 

[KMScott]

Peoria Steel and Tool Company. Here is a rare one, Fierljeppen ever see one like this. Shows some modifications and looks like it had the automatic lock down on the swivel base like the Rock Islands.

4-1/4 Jaw width that opens to 9".

 

[Fierljeppen]

Wow, another interesting patent vise by J. R. Long! He's got to be the most prolific vise inventor ever.

I've never seen this vise before and after a little research, it seems that the Peoria Steel & Tool Co. had a very short-lived life, trying to merge with the "Automatic Vise Co." of Akron Ohio.

There's more to this very interesting story, because it seems that somehow G. P. "Live-Wire" Blackiston is involved. Somehow, he emerges immediately after the failure of the Peoria Steel and Tool Co. and starts producing J. R. Long patent vises for the Pittsburgh Automatic Vise & Tool Co.

I'm very intrigued and will be investigating more. Good stuff KMScott!

 

[trijeff]

Good stuff the both of you! Just when you think you know a little bit, here comes a never seen before mfg ... awesome!

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[KMScott]

Thanks Fierljeppen, your tough to stump. The owner of this vise guessed J. R. Long and I agreed but wanted to hear from it you. I have looked at several of J.R. Longs patents when I was trying to help Twertsy, I just could not help as much as I wanted when the Spreadsheet needed some work. I have a couple vises at home that I picked up this year and will post them to see if they are rare also. Thanks for your help again. Sure appreciate it. I'll add the Peoria to the spreadsheet.

Thanks Jeff.

 

[PghJKB]

Peoria Steel and Tool Company. Here is a rare one, Fierljeppen ever see one like this. Shows some modifications and looks like it had the automatic lock down on the swivel base like the Rock Islands.

4-1/4 Jaw width that opens to 9".

Wow, another interesting patent vise by J. R. Long! He's got to be the most prolific vise inventor ever.

I've never seen this vise before and after a little research, it seems that the Peoria Steel & Tool Co. had a very short-lived life, trying to merge with the "Automatic Vise Co." of Akron Ohio.

There's more to this very interesting story, because it seems that somehow G. P. "Live-Wire" Blackiston is involved. Somehow, he emerges immediately after the failure of the Peoria Steel and Tool Co. and starts producing J. R. Long patent vises for the Pittsburgh Automatic Vise & Tool Co.

I'm very intrigued and will be investigating more. Good stuff KMScott!

The second patent is also a JR Long patent - #732761.

Patent can be found here:
https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageN...6S1=0732761.PN.%26OS=pn/732761%26RS=PN/732761

Blackiston was more than a character - Did you see this one?
https://books.google.com/books?id=3...9HjAhVFrVkKHR8PAHIQ6AEINDAC#v=onepage&f=false

I have more on Blackiston, (including the image of his car), just need to find it.

JKB

 

[twertsy]

The second patent is also a JR Long patent - #732761.

Patent can be found here:
https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageN...6S1=0732761.PN.%26OS=pn/732761%26RS=PN/732761

Blackiston was more than a character - Did you see this one?
https://books.google.com/books?id=3...9HjAhVFrVkKHR8PAHIQ6AEINDAC#v=onepage&f=false

I have more on Blackiston, (including the image of his car), just need to find it.

JKB

Blackiston's Car

Another Pic

Hemmings Backstory and Picture

Here's what I can quickly dig up, and a couple news articles:
1908 Vise Patent by Blackiston
1912 he's with Berger Mfg. Co. Prior to that Crucible Steel Co.
1914 he's with the Canton Cutlery Co.
He also expected to live 200 years.........

 

[KMScott]

Great stuff guy's. That car blows me away. Pretty sure not to many of these vises floating around. Again thanks Fierljeppen, PghJKB and twertsy

 

[KMScott]

Parker 208. 8" jaws that opens over 13" and weights 285lbs.

 

[KMScott]

Velox machine & Vise Company, Lowville NY, 3-1/2" Jaws.

 

[trijeff]

interesting keyway type slide on that one

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[KMScott]

American Red Seal (American Scale) #55 5-1/2" jaws.

Just a note, Red Seal also has a model 55 with jaws that are 5" wide and with different hole patterns. Gives Jaw Makers grief.

 

[va.grouseman]

Here's the back of a VELOX.---Notice the jaw off-set.---It has kind-of the same action as a DODGE SLIDE-SET.

 

[KMScott]

Boy is that a unique slide va. Thanks for sharing.

 

[PghJKB]

EW Fulton, of NuTyp fame, received two patents for the Velox:

1,299,828 found here:

https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageN...1=1299828.PN.%26OS=pn/1299828%26RS=PN/1299828

Note the thread on the main screw.

1,387,845 found here:
https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageN...1=1387845.PN.%26OS=pn/1387845%26RS=PN/1387845

JKB

 

[KMScott]

EW Fulton, of NuTyp fame, received two patents for the Velox:

1,299,828 found here:

https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageN...1=1299828.PN.%26OS=pn/1299828%26RS=PN/1299828

Note the thread on the main screw.

1,387,845 found here:
https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageN...1=1387845.PN.%26OS=pn/1387845%26RS=PN/1387845

JKB

OK, I need quit time to read this Patent, the spindle threads does not make sense just yet. Pretty interesting JKB

 

[KMScott]

Rock Island 584, No spec:s on this model. This one is missing a jaw and seems a little rough.

 

[KMScott]

Here is one I picked up a while ago and really have no idea of it's make. 4" jaws that opens to 6" and weights 60lbs. Jaws are 4 x 1-7/16 with 2" Center to Center and has a 5/8 channel 5/16 deep. Nothing in my jaw collection matches up. Look forward to getting this back in shape and a new set of jaws on it. Maybe there is some text under the paint.

 

[MayerMR]

Here is one I picked up a while ago and really have no idea of it's make. 4" jaws that opens to 6" and weights 60lbs. Jaws are 4 x 1-7/16 with 2" Center to Center and has a 5/8 channel 5/16 deep. Nothing in my jaw collection matches up. Look forward to getting this back in shape and a new set of jaws on it. Maybe there is some text under the paint.

I've not seen one of these before either, but it sure is an attractive little vise. For some reason, and I'm not really sure why, but it kind of puts me in mind of some of the Holland and/or Erie Tool vises.

 

[KMScott]

I've not seen one of these before either, but it sure is an attractive little vise. For some reason, and I'm not really sure why, but it kind of puts me in mind of some of the Holland and/or Erie Tool vises.

I don't know, Hollands never built jaws as far as I know. I am not to familier with Erie Tool Works. I could not pass up this vise when I seen it for sale in Ft Collins.

 

[MayerMR]

I don't know, Hollands never built jaws as far as I know. I am not to familier with Erie Tool Works. I could not pass up this vise when I seen it for sale in Ft Collins.

Don't blame you, I'd have made the drive too!

 

[trijeff]

Looks in some regards like a Rock Island

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[KMScott]

Charles Parker A. 3-1/4 Jaws that opens to 4-1/2" and weights 25lbs

 

[KMScott]

Dunlap 5177. Waiting on Spec:s. Does look like a Rock Island that was re branded.

 

[davethorik]

Athol M&F Co. no. 325-1/2X combo vise
5-1/2" jaws, weighs 140 lbs as seen, opens 9".

 

[KMScott]

Athol M&F Co. no. 325-1/2X combo vise
5-1/2" jaws, weighs 140 lbs as seen, opens 9".

Thanks Dave.

 

[Vise]

Lewis Tool Co No. 11 (but also marked No. 12, see pics). Stationary base with swivel jaw. Weighs 66.4lbs, 4.5” jaws, opens 7”.

 

[KMScott]

Rock Island 3B. 3" jaws that opens to 4-1/2" and weights a little over 20lbs. It is the Automatic Swivel Base model, when you clamp onto your workpiece the swivel base locks.

 

[KMScott]

Bellows B5. 3" jaws mounted on a swivel ball. Opens to 3" and weights 20lbs.

 

[va.grouseman]

I missed one of those on eBay about 5 years ago KMS.---Broke my heart.---Got sniped.---Haven't had another chance at one since.

 

[KMScott]

va, looks like a useful vise for a hobbyist. I might try to make a swivel ball like that one day if I ever get a chance to work on vises. Building hundreds of jaws right now since I took July off.

 

[KMScott]

Penn 513-1/2. 3-1/2" inch jaws I am assuming. Penn vises are built in Australia.

 

[akasrick]

Possibly for the record. I see there is two empty rows for the #2 vises.
What I'm guessing is a pre Allentown vise.
trademark--

Screw has a collar.
No other visible markings other than "Bonney".
Iron jaws are almost 2", it will hold a 2-3/4" piece.
Though broken weighs 2 lbs 13-1/2 ozs.
Thats how it looks after Simple Green overnight soaking.
Jeez, I'm almost out of black wax.

It has a cleat for the wood bench.

akasrick

 

[KMScott]

Possibly for the record. I see there is two empty rows for the #2 vises.
What I'm guessing is a pre Allentown vise. Screw has a collar.
No other visible markings other than "Bonney".
Iron jaws are almost 2", it will hold a 2-3/4" piece.
Though broken weighs 2 lbs 13-1/2 ozs.
Thats how it looks after Simple Green overnight soaking.
Jeez, I'm almost out of black wax.

Thanks rick, This black wax? If so I sure like it.

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[akasrick]

Thank You, Kevin!

Currently using these peoples product. I have a metal railing I want to play with though.

Seems to work.

akasrick

 

[KMScott]

Charles Parker #AA . 3-1/4 jaws that opens to 4-1/2" and weights 28lbs. Swivel releases from under the bench.

 

[454ragtop]

Just picked up this Yost 41C off CL today. Been hoping to find one of these type of vises since seeing the pics of the Parker Big Bear. Apparently Autopts had one back in 2011 but sold it. This one is a little different than his with cast in place jaws and the swivel lock handle is different. First 2 pics are from seller's ad, rest I just took. I'll get the weight in a day or 2, guessing around 65 lbs., give or take.

 

[454ragtop]

Pics of the jaws

 

[KMScott]

Nice one 454, if you can add the jaw width and max opening. Thanks for your help.

 

[KMScott]

Fisher- Norris Chain Vise. 2" jaws and weights 4-1/2 lbs.