Vise Info Thread

[KMScott]

Wilson Vice. 3" jaws that opens to 3-1/16 and weights 18 lbs. No model number.

Every thing about this vice is awesome. Quick Release, attached bronze Copper cap, offset jaws, telescoping lead screw protector and rotating pipe jaw on static side.

 

[royce]

Don't know if this one has been posted or not.
Morgan 288-1/2
5" jaws
6" max open/ 4" pipe
115# +/-
It is a shame that somebody power brushed it

If anybody has a thought on when it was made, I would appreciate it.

Royce

 

[Fierljeppen]

Don't know if this one has been posted or not.
Morgan 288-1/2
5" jaws
6" max open/ 4" pipe
115# +/-
It is a shame that somebody power brushed it

If anybody has a thought on when it was made, I would appreciate it.

Royce

The Morgan Vise Co. changed ownership and moved from Chicago to Aurora IL in 1968, before moving again in the 1970's to Milwaukee WI. An early 1920's Morgan catalog shows a different style combo than yours, while all other catalog sources I have show the same graphical information thru 1966. There are slight casting differences in the "Chicago" casted Morgan 288-1/2 vises, but without a date stamp, I don't have any conclusive information to narrow it down more than somewhere between late (1920's-1968).

Combo vises are very practical and I'd say mine gets used just as much as any other vise I own, sometimes, just for the taller jaw towers.

 

[royce]

Thank you much Fierljeppen,
The story that came with this vise is that came out of a shop on the Yukon river that serviced steamships.
It has a US stamp on it, with that said, the US Goverment railroad ran ships on the Tanana and Yukon rivers between 1922 and 1953.
So it seems the story has potential for being fact and I think I'll keep it going!

Royce

 

[KMScott]

Reed 22 and 22-1/2. Reed utility vises. Waiting on spec:s

 

[Fierljeppen]

This is from row 5 of the "unknown section" in the spreadsheet. What a great place to put the unknown vises, especially for those who like to do vise puzzles.

It's a P. J. Harrah vise, manufactured by The Bloomfield Mfg. Co. of Bloomfield, IN., called the New Banner Tool Combination.

A jack of all trades, master of none vise.

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[KMScott]

Fierljeppen, your the best. Thanks for finding the New Banner Tool Combination vise for us. You are the best and very good at what you do. I so appreciate your help.

 

[wrenchguy]

Fierljeppen, your the best. Thanks for finding the New Banner Tool Combination vise for us. You are the best and very good at what you do. I so appreciate your help.

This, Its amazing 2me how some guys can search so good!

 

[KMScott]

Prentiss #52. 4-1/4 Jaws that opens to 6" and possibly weights 42 lbs.

I added two different versions. the first one is dated before replaceable jaws and note the rare swivel base releasing from under the bench.

The second one is a later version that has a stationary base and replaceable jaws.

 

[Fierljeppen]

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8488095&postcount=79270​

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8389787&postcount=78224​

I just received the bigger brother of the -2- posted vises above. An improved Trenton no.33 parallel machinists vise.

I've been looking for a Trenton vise forever and the vise God's were very generous to me today! These vises boast tall jaw towers and are of similar quality to the same era Parker vises.

Their advertisements range from the late (1880's-1905), which means they could have been mfg. from The Trenton Vise & Tool Works, Van Wagoner & Williams Hardware Co. or even an early Columbian Hardware Co.

Either way, I'm so stoked to add this one to my collection. The catalog scan below is from a Van Wagoner & Williams listing.


jaw width.........3-1/2"
jaw opening......4"
weight.............32 lbs.

 

[davethorik]

That is a funky looking vise! I dig it!

 

[jaycobie]

This is from row 5 of the "unknown section" in the spreadsheet. What a great place to put the unknown vises, especially for those who like to do vise puzzles.

It's a P. J. Harrah vise, manufactured by The Bloomfield Mfg. Co. of Bloomfield, IN., called the New Banner Tool Combination.

A jack of all trades, master of none vise.

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A similar vise can also be found in this Rock Island catalog on Archive.org: https://archive.org/details/RockIslandManufacturingCo1934/page/n3/mode/2up

 

[Fierljeppen]

jaycobie...Similar? They look almost identical.

It's difficult to tell from the -2- photos below, which one is the 1905 vise from The Bloomfield Mfg. Co. or the 1914 C.E. Sheilds Patent vise from the Rock Island Mfg. Co.

The distinguishing feature is the dynamic jaw slide, without that, I'm not sure I can tell a difference.

 

[scooternut]

Reviewing a 1950’s Snap On catalog and found this, just in case it helps someone.






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[Fierljeppen]

For the record, the catalog is a (1962) Snap-On Catalog "Y".

What's interesting to me is that the 6-inch model in the Snap-On catalog is not offered in any of the Wilton catalogs in that era. It makes me think Wilton possibly only offered that size to their Automotive distributors?

Which is a lead-in to a vise puzzle that I've been working on for many years.

It's a 4-inch jaw Wilton mechanics style vise with no pipe jaws or anvil. It has the casting numbers 111092 and 111093 just below the jaws on the passenger side.

It's been identified in the past as a Wilton model no. 744, but that can't be, because I have the original "740 Series" (1968) brochure and they all have anvils and pipe jaws. I'm looking for anyone that can produce any documentation about this model. Was it only made for Snap-On or MAC? It's not in any of the Wilton catalogs from (1950-1967).

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

 

[KMScott]

Athol #62 2" jaws that opens to 3-1/4 and weights 3-1/4lbs.

 

[KMScott]

Craftsman 506-51770. 3-1/2" jaws that opens to 3".

 

[tool_scrounge]

Which is a lead-in to a vise puzzle that I've been working on for many years.

It's a 4-inch jaw Wilton mechanics style vise with no pipe jaws or anvil. It has the casting numbers 111092 and 111093 just below the jaws on the passenger side.

It's been identified in the past as a Wilton model no. 744, but that can't be, because I have the original "740 Series" (1968) brochure and they all have anvils and pipe jaws. I'm looking for anyone that can produce any documentation about this model. Was it only made for Snap-On or MAC? It's not in any of the Wilton catalogs from (1950-1967).

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I have owned several of those 744 like anvil less vises over the years. They were identified by others here as an early version of the 744 but no supporting documentation was ever seen. That is the factory color. Probably one the heavier built non-machinist type 4" vises out there. Did Mac or Snapon always paint their vises red? The few I have worked on were red or some other color, not the wilton factory color.

 

[exmaxima1]

Which is a lead-in to a vise puzzle that I've been working on for many years.

It's a 4-inch jaw Wilton mechanics style vise with no pipe jaws or anvil. It has the casting numbers 111092 and 111093 just below the jaws on the passenger side.

It's been identified in the past as a Wilton model no. 744, but that can't be, because I have the original "740 Series" (1968) brochure and they all have anvils and pipe jaws. I'm looking for anyone that can produce any documentation about this model. Was it only made for Snap-On or MAC? It's not in any of the Wilton catalogs from (1950-1967).

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

There's a Wilton just like that currently for sale in the Classifieds:

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=462059&highlight=wilton+vise

 

[chrisnazzy]

Reviewing a 1950’s Snap On catalog and found this, just in case it helps someone.






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I posted about this vise last year when I was fortunate enough to bring it home, but not in this thread. In regards to the above catalog page, I thought it was interesting that the Cadet vise was listed as Snap-on branded and orange in color. This 1961 dated CV-150 Blue Point branded 5" Cadet wears its original red finish.

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[Fierljeppen]

That Snap-On Cadet is in amazing condition and worth way too much as a collectable to be a user anymore in my opinion. It's the first OEM red Cadet I've seen.

According to the Wilton (1958-59) catalog, it was born in 1959.

Back to the vise puzzle...it seems that we can narrow the date range from between (1966-1974) based on the style of the casted font. Wilton changed from the anniversary "W" to the fat "W" in 1974 and the (labels / castings) on the vises resembled that.

I'm going to continue my search in automotive distributor catalogs from that time frame. At this point, I don't have any information from the Wilton catalog nos. (119-122), which also fall in that time frame.

 

[KMScott]

Nice posts guys. Chris, just a great looking Cadet. Well worthy to add to the Spreadsheet. I need to work on the Wiltons.

Fierljeppen, you want a 1963 Wilton Catalog, happy to add it to your collection. I will go through it and update the Spreadsheet and it's yours if you don't have one.

 

[Fierljeppen]

KMScott...Your generosity speaks volumes about your character and soul. Thank you very much, but I do already have the Wilton catalog no.117 as seen in the photos below.

I started collecting Wilton catalogs about -10- years ago, when they were more plentiful and affordable. I couldn't imagine what your Wilton catalog would go for these days on eBay.

 

[scooternut]

That Snap-On Cadet is in amazing condition and worth way too much as a collectable to be a user anymore in my opinion. It's the first OEM red Cadet I've seen.

According to the Wilton (1958-59) catalog, it was born in 1959.

Back to the vise puzzle...it seems that we can narrow the date range from between (1966-1974) based on the style of the casted font. Wilton changed from the anniversary "W" to the fat "W" in 1974 and the (labels / castings) on the vises resembled that.

I'm going to continue my search in automotive distributor catalogs from that time frame. At this point, I don't have any information from the Wilton catalog nos. (119-122), which also fall in that time frame.

Forgot to mention, I pulled that pic from Snap On Catalog Y, which collectingsnapon.com tells me is 1962.

Just found that site, the full catalog is actually scanned in.


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[PierceA]

Another size 'Standard Vise':

5" jaws
7" open when main screw still fully engaged in nut
8.5" tall
19" long
60.6 Pounds

PierceA

 

[davethorik]

Oswego Tool Co. no. 88-1/2 combo vise
4-3/4" jaws, opens 6-1/2", weighs 94 lbs.
Sadly this one has pretty bad pitting, so the lettering is hard to read.

 

[zendriver]

I have a Colombian D45 vise but it doesn’t have any “ M”designator on it that others seem to have.

why not?


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[Fierljeppen]

davethorik...Love the ultra-rare Oswego Tool Co. "Parker" stationary vise! I've never seen your model before. You get many extra points for that.

zendriver...The Columbian "D40" series workshop vises had a long production life, (1950's-1998). There were many casting changes during that period and not all had the cast "M".

Post some photos of your vise and maybe we can figure out a time-frame of your "D45" style from some old Columbian Vise Co. catalogs.

 

[zendriver]

davethorik...Love the ultra-rare Oswego Tool Co. "Parker" stationary vise! I've never seen your model before. You get many extra points for that.

zendriver...The Columbian "D40" series workshop vises had a long production life, (1950's-1980's). There were many casting changes during that period and not all had the cast "M".

Post some photos of your vise and maybe we can figure out a time-frame of your "D45" style from some old Columbian Vise Co. catalogs.

Here are some images



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[Fierljeppen]

zendriver...Your vise is either a "M2" or early "M3", which would be from the (1970's-1980's). I don't have an explanation for why the "M" number would be missing from the casting on your vise.

The photo below is an early version Columbian D45-M3.

 

[Doc Moses]

My leg vise has this marking, it also has "1918" stamped into the front jaw. Does the triangle/C mean Columbian manufacture?

 

[Fierljeppen]

Doc Moses...It absolutely means "The Columbian Hardware Co."

The photo below is from a 1918 Columbian Hardware catalog.

 

[Doc Moses]

Fierljeppen. Thank you. That is my vise model in your pic. Mystery solved.

 

[davethorik]

davethorik...Love the ultra-rare Oswego Tool Co. "Parker" stationary vise! I've never seen your model before. You get many extra points for that.

Thanks for the ad! I thought it was sort of unusual. Glad to have picked it up!

 

[Doc Moses]

I have been searching vise threads and read a few contradictory posts. This Craftsman is from my FIL, he passed this spring at the young age of 94. I have read that the 506 signifies Columbian mfg, and the 51811 signifies model number. The third pic is from under the base. Does it indicate anything as to production date?

 

[Fierljeppen]

Doc Moses...The third photo has the casting part number and the founders mark. I don't believe there is a date stamp anywhere on that vise.

 

[Fierljeppen]

Here's an Oswego Tool Co. "Parker" no.87, in original and complete condition. I believe this vise was mfg. around (1910-1923), before the E. W. Fulton era. This is a sibling to davethorik's Oswego Tool vise above.

jaw width........3-5/8"
jaw opening.....4-3/4"
weight............42 lbs. (includes handle)

This is absolutely one of my very favorite vise companies, mostly because of the rich history that I've learned about, since researching them and the town. I know J.J. Tonkin gets most of the credit for founding the company, but my research show's that it was the duo of C.C. Place and A.N. Radcliff that grew The Oswego Tool Co. into the significant manufacturer it eventually became.

 

[KMScott]

Keen Kutter KM 412. Waiting for spec:s.

 

[KMScott]

Charles Parker #77. 4-1/2" swivel jaw that opens to 9-1/2" and weights 70lbs. Looks like a different swivel base on this old guy but not sure.

 

[davethorik]

Fierljeppen- WOW that thing is clean! Great find!