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Fierljeppen

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Today, I received what I consider to be the Holy Grail of my vise collection.

Gentlemen and Ladies if you're out there, I give you the 1837, Patent no. 127 Linus Dean bench vise.


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jaw width.......2-1/8"
jaw opening....4-5/8"
weight...........3-1/2 lbs.
manufacturer...Morris Wilcox - Norwalk, OH

This vise has a unique opening and closing system using a rack instead of the traditional screw. A simple twist of the cammed volute on the rack tightens the jaws. Does this English fellow from America get credit for the earliest quick release bench vise?

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A little about the inventor, Linus Dean. Born on March 15, 1811 in Clayville (formerly Paris) New York, Linus relocated to neighboring Utica, where he utilized his skills as a machinist. He was a foreman at the Vulcan Works, before establishing his own business in 1858 at 200 Whitesboro Street. The property was previously the home of a canal boat manufacturer and Dean briefly continued that trade, before concentrating completely on his business, the Ornamental Iron Works. He manufactured and sold direct to customers: iron fences, railings, balconies, verandahs, flower vases, urns, lawn furniture and much more.

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Like many GJ members, Linus Dean used his talents on projects of his home. He exhibited and won an award at the Central New York Poultry Show, for his ornate "parlor aquarium". At the 1879 New York State Fair, Dean won a certificate of highest merit for his products. His livelihood was not only his business, but also his hobby.

Shortly after a fire destroyed one of his buildings in 1888, Dean sold his property and business. He died in 1896 after a brief illness. He was remembered locally as a very talented craftsman of iron.

"Gone, but not forgotten".
 

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YORK Catalog and Patent File dump:

(2) catalogs from 1934
(1) catalog from 1990
(2) patent files (PDFs attached)
 

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DOKO (early York) plate vise patents (various countries/languages)

PDFs attached below.
 

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Fierljeppen, I knew we would eventually find out who cottoned on to that jewel.---That is a true UNICORN.---------For now.;)


Glad you got it.---Was just a little too rich for a hamburger budget.
 
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Today, I received what I consider to be the Holy Grail of my vise collection.

Gentlemen and Ladies if you're out there, I give you the 1837, Patent no. 127 Linus Dean bench vise.


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jaw width.......2-1/8"
jaw opening....4-5/8"
weight...........3-1/2 lbs.
manufacturer...Morris Wilcox - Norwalk, OH

This vise has a unique opening and closing system using a rack instead of the traditional screw. A simple twist of the cammed volute on the rack tightens the jaws. Does this English fellow from America get credit for the earliest quick release bench vise?


...

"Gone, but not forgotten".​


Congrats on getting the Grail...that's a beauty :thumbup:
 

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Boley Swivel base Model. 1-3/4 jaws that opens to 2-1/4 and weights ?
 

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Congrats. Fierljeppen! I was watching that vise on eBay. Very cool!
 

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Always new and interesting info that comes in...good stuff

Thanks! Been doing a bit of research on York since I got mine 100 a few weeks ago. I’ve been in contact with a gentleman over at YORK in the Czech Republic, he gave me a bunch of great info. I actually just posted an new thread a couple days ago, if you haven’t seen it yet you should check it out: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472838
 

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davethorik, va.grouseman, FMC1959 and Vise...Thanks for the accolades! This one deserves and may end up in a Utica, NY museum at some point down the road. For now, it will live the easy life with the rest of my collection.

Filly...Outstanding job on the York research! The new information to me, concerning Hugh Vogel was very insightful.

On another vise topic...If a (184-year-old) Linus Dean vise can become available, why not the legendary, but never seen Pittsburgh Automatic Vise Co. Railway vise? I've made a map, listing all of the known locations where this allusive vise was sold in large quantities. Certainly there is at least one of these relics still around.

I know we're currently living in a pandemic and the worldwide geopolitical turmoil is truly a serious matter, but we can't lose our focus on what is really important.

Vise On!



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davethorik, va.grouseman, FMC1959 and Vise...Thanks for the accolades! This one deserves and may end up in a Utica, NY museum at some point down the road. For now, it will live the easy life with the rest of my collection.

Filly...Outstanding job on the York research! The new information to me, concerning Hugh Vogel was very insightful.

On another vise topic...If a (184-year-old) Linus Dean vise can become available, why not the legendary, but never seen Pittsburgh Automatic Vise Co. Railway vise? I've made a map, listing all of the known locations where this allusive vise was sold in large quantities. Certainly there is at least one of these relics still around.

I know we're currently living in a pandemic and the worldwide geopolitical turmoil is truly a serious matter, but we can't lose our focus on what is really important.

Vise On!

Thank you!

And in regards to the Pittsburg search, i love the map! I did some deep digging on this matter a month back, I was using Google-Books to search archived texts for anything hitting “Pittsburg Railroad Vise” and I got a bunch of cool hits including mentions of the big one being delivered to various locations. Also mention of a double swivel version weighing 725lbs!!
 

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Athol 101 Swivel Jaw. 3-1/2" swivel jaw that opens to 4" and weights 32lbs. Nice vise. Filiers vise?
 

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Really nice vise! It's listed as a standard swivel jaw machinist vise.
 

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Here is the Emmert Tiger I just picked up. It is a no. 46 with 5-1/2" jaws, opens 9", weighs 105 lbs. This is a thru bench swivel model, complete with all the pieces in very nice shape. No clue on age, any ideas?
 

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davethorik...I can't believe that you keep picking up these never seen before vises. I've never seen that style of an Emmert Tiger machinist vise before and I'll have to say it has a lot of similarities to the 1st version of the Prentiss Bulldog vise.

It's got to be from around 1900, because the Emmert Tiger vise advertisements that shortly followed that time period looked completely different.

Another great find!
 

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Meadville Vise Co. vise no.24 as found.

Jaw width........3-3/4"
Jaw opening.....5-1/2"
Weight............36 lbs.
Manufacturer....Meadville Vise Co., Meadville, PA


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A very brief history about the company. In 1858, James Hazlet of Meadville, PA started the Crawford Iron Works, selling to Harper & McKay in 1880. In Dec. of that year, the Barrett Brothers, James O. Barrett and Charles J. Barrett bought the interests and a few years later purchased a lot on the South side of Arch St., 102 x 200 ft., erecting a substantial brick buildings which covered the entire lot, calling it the Meadville Vise Co.

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In 1905, the company name was changed to the Barrett Machine Tool Co. In 1910, the G.M. Yost Mfg. Co. of the same town, purchased the entire plant and equipment of the Meadville Vise Co., while the Barrett Machine Tool Co. continued manufacturing their very successful cylinder boring machines.


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A “new” massive Rock Island just surfaced. This is yet another version of the stationary 8-8.5” Rock Island: a Rock Island 567. It is said to have an 8” jaw and weigh 286lbs. Most interestingly, it has replaceable jaws, which I haven’t seen on an 8” RI before. Very cool vise that I wish I owned.

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Fierljeppen- what a unique looking model!! Open slide and wrought bars is reminiscent of Lewis Tool Co., or perhaps the Barrett patent Meadville combos would be a better comparison. Is this a Barrett patent vise?

Thanks for the kind words about the Emmert btw. It is so nice I couldn't pass it up, especially with all the pieces. The base has a foundry mark "46 5-1/2" on the inside so it is original. That one had lived the last 50-60 years in a residential basement woodworking shop, no wonder it's so nice.
 
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Fierljeppen- what a unique looking model!! Open slide and wrought bars is reminiscent of Lewis Tool Co., or perhaps the Barrett patent Meadville combos would be a better comparison. Is this a Barrett patent vise?

I couldn't find any patents on this vise, nor could I find any other Meadville vises like this one as well. You're right about it looking reminiscent of a Lewis Tool Co. vise.



Nice stuff guys. Dave I used your listing for your Emmert as the pics and Fierljeppen could that be a swivel base model on your Meadville, I listed as Stationary.


It's definitely a stationary vise, since there's not a center hole, just the -2- outer ones.

It's kind of weird that I couldn't find any catalog scans of the no.24, but I could find other catalog scans with the same specs, but different model numbers, as below.

Vise on!


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Looks to me like an American Scale that is rebranded. I added a jaw drawing of a American Scale jaws that fit many models. I be curious how close it matches your vise's jaws. More spec:s like weight and max jaw opening would help comparing it to other models.
 

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Looks to me like an American Scale that is rebranded. I added a jaw drawing of a American Scale jaws that fit many models. I be curious how close it matches your vise's jaws. More spec:s like weight and max jaw opening would help comparing it to other models.

It weighs 41lbs, with the slide at the back of the vise it opens 4 1/4". The jaw screws are 2 1/4" on center
 

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emeraldcoupe...There's been meaningful discussions by members about your specific vise. If you do a search, like the example below, you should be able to find quite a bit of information.

I don't think anyone ever found a "smoking gun", but I know the Morgan Vise Co. did have a shadow company from the very beginning called the Sterling Products Co. that sold vises. If it wasn't mfg. by The American Scale Co. or Morgan Vise Co., then my money would be on a very good copy from Japan.


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Feeding off of davethorik's recent Prentiss Monarch success, I decided to gather some historical information for all of the Monarch vise owners, including myself.

The Prentiss model "Monarch" vises are synonymous with the "Lion's Head", as seen in the 1905 US Trademark below.


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45,331. BENCH-VISES. PRENTISS VISE Co., New York, N.Y.
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These vises were mfg. by The Bagley & Sewall Co. of Watertown, New York. They produced Prentiss vises from (1870-1948).

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The Monarch vises were an intermediate model, between the flagship "Bulldog" and "Shepard" models. They were offered in flavors of: machinist, combination and coachmaker, which is the rarest of the bunch. The "Lion's Head" was found to be cast on either side of the vise, with some having great detail and others not so much.


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These models had a design change in 1911 and were produced until 1920. The 1911 change not only included removable jaws on some models, but also a body style redesign as seen in the catalog scans below.

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*One sure fact that will prove it's authenticity will be a center crack at the end of the tail.


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Thank you as always! :beer:
Mine must be fake, there is no tail crack! :lol_hitti
It has replaceable jaws so it is ca 1911-1920.
 

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Morgan #25. 3" jaws that opens to 4-3/4 and weights 11lbs.
 

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Hmm...the Morgan "Homecraft" vise, I don't recall seeing one of those before. I could only find them in the 1950's catalogs, which said they're "painted an attractive green", so I'm guessing the paint is probably original.


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Rock Island Vise no.78

jaw width.......7"
jaw opening....12"
weight...........254 lbs.
manufacturer...Rock Island Mfg. Co (Birtman Electric Co.)


The two gentlemen in the photo are from a Chicago Locomotive Shop in 1942. Their style and concentration are impressive.

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J. S. Hoar. 2" offset jaws that opens to 3".
 

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An amazing find and in incredible condition! That vise would make my top-ten list. I'll be gathering better notes for John Sherman Hoar and the New England Vise Co.

Kudos to any owners of a Hoar's Patent vise!
 

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Hollands 59, 7” jaws, 195lbs and opens 10.5”

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Fierljeppen

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Other than the jaws, the Craftsman 5212 vise looks just like a Rock Island no.73. I don't recall seeing very many Craftsman 52xx vises, so I'll assume their kinda rare.

1932 ad for the Craftsman vise no.5212, by "ed4banger".
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Other than the jaws, the Craftsman 5212 vise looks just like a Rock Island no.73. I don't recall seeing very many Craftsman 52xx vises, so I'll assume their kinda rare.

1932 ad for the Craftsman vise no.5212, by "ed4banger".
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Some of the 52xx are common, those are the 5210 and 5215 homeowner's, and the 5222 is a rotator 2 in 1, which you don't see often. The 520x and the 521x machinist as depeicted in the ad are indeed somewhat rare. I currently only have a single example, the 5202, and yes they are Rock Island.
 

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Columbian # 53 Red Arrow. 3" jaws that opens to 4' and weights 9lbs.
 

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Here is a photo to add of the (Prentiss) PV Co 155. 2-1/4" jaws
 

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