Vise Info Thread

[akasrick]

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[akasrick]

Roy, That makes sense; Canadian/British finishing touches on "overseas" casting from Erie! All speculation of course...lol

Reeds never used such a system for retaining the screw, as far as I know. The style on your 103 is the same used all the way to the "R" series when they add the adjustable collar in the nose.

I am also curious whether you will find a date stamp on it.

Matt, yes RAE is/was a Canadian company based in Hamilton, so not that far from Erie PA.
Here's a link to a bit of company history

One of my vices is vises: RAE Revisited and the OTACO connection

progress-is-fine.blogspot.com

Maybe there was some collaboration during WW2?

I tore it down today to refurb it, one difference from the Reed I have is that the spindle is secured in the slide with a spring/washer/cotter pin set up, similar to the Record/Paramo/Woden design, as compared to my Reed 103 which has a collar/set screw design.
My Reed has a 12/21 build date so I have no idea when they started or stopped using this design.
I'll be on the lookout for a date stamp similar to the Reed when I get it cleaned up.

Cheers, Ron

Not so far fetched, someone in that area was possibly making the main nuts, same markings that are on a Erie pipe vise.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum...mped-defense-on-main-nut.419817/#post-7842307

Later in the game Stanley used 4 Square as a brand.

akasrick

looking to find the pictures I posted

akasrick

 

[royudc]

Rick, I'll be sure to have a good look at the main nut to see if there's any similar markings.
It's definitely the same style, dovetail and pin, as the Reed.

Ron

 

[MattGavriloff]

What interesting timing! I just finished cleaning up my Reed 104 1/2, made 5/36. I had thought to myself months ago when I started stripping it down and cleaning it that this marking on the nut reminded me of the Stanley Four Square logo. Snapped these pictures when I was lubing things up for final assembly tonight.

Got it mounted on the bench just about an hour ago!

 

[akasrick]

What interesting timing! I just finished cleaning up my Reed 104 1/2, made 5/36. I had thought to myself months ago when I started stripping it down and cleaning it that this marking on the nut reminded me of the Stanley Four Square logo. Snapped these pictures when I was lubing things up for final assembly tonight.

Got it mounted on the bench just about an hour ago!

Glad someone knows take a good picture!

Hollands, Reed & Erie

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum...he-tricks-to-fix.252830/page-124#post-6761443

akasrick

 

[royudc]

Matt, great job on your Reed!
Did you use BLO or clear coat?
I looked through my pics of my Reed when it was disassembled but I don't have any of the nut. I was focused on finding the date stamp for the Reed thread.

Ron

 

[MattGavriloff]

Ron, That vise is just bare, wire wheeled metal. I find if you get it REAL clean, at least in my garage, they are very slow to "rust". All my finished Parkers are "naked". YMMV. I have finished quite a few with paint as well (photo of some on my "vise shelf"), but this way I don't need to worry about damaging the paint job on my main user vise. The slide has a coating of mineral oil/beeswax brushed on and wiped off, and then everything appropriate is lubed with Mobil 1 Red grease.


Kevin, not really a new one for the sheet, but I just picked up this American Scale No 51C, and I see the spreadsheet is missing info for it.

Jaws- 3"
Max Safe Open- 4 3/4"
Weight- 23lbs 8.9oz

This poor guy has a tragic past. I don't know anything about it, but looking at the front jaw tower, tragic seems appropriate. I just couldn't leave it laying where it was, on the ground, in the rain, for $10....so I rescued it.

Interesting to note: Long handle (And the big "soup can"...lol) on this vise for the jaw size it seems. Almost 10 3/4". On my comparable Reed, Parker, and Prentiss vises, they are all 8 1/2", +/- 1/4". I feel like the "scale" of the American Scale is way off...lol

 

[KMScott]

Thanks Matt
American Scale manfactured their vises their way and to be honest they had quality issues. They are the only vise company that pinned their (soup can) handle support, everyone else friction welds the spindle to the Meatball. Here is a example when I restored a #53. I agree and having the extra length on the handle tests the connection they use.

Thanks for the spec:s on your 51C. Kevin

 

[MattGavriloff]

So in those pictures, that isn't a method YOU choose to repair that screw, it's how it was originally assembled? Very cool! I'll have to go take a closer look at this one for the pins.

 

[KMScott]

Charles Parker #42 Filers vise. 4" jaws and opens to 3-1/2" and weights 29lbs. This guy is old and in great shape.

Quote from the owner.

"This is one for the history books! This is one of the earliest Parkers ever made and it’s a Filers vise to top it off (my favorite of course). It was made between 1854-1867 and is in amazing condition for its age. Jaws are incredible and the dynamic jaw has remnants of the Parker 1854 patent stamps. I left the 160+ years worth of patina which looks black if not in direct sunlight! Not sure they even gave it a model number it’s so early. The earliest ad with a Parker Filers vise is from 1876 and definitely more modern with the new collar design and handle tensioner. I included a pic of the earliest ad and the 1854 patent showing this was Parkers collar design the Howard Iron Works copied which is probably why they patented a new collar design in 1867. This thing belongs in a museum! "

 

[Dlavallee22]

Charles Parker #42 Filers vise. 4" jaws and weights 33lbs. This guy is old and in great shape.

Quote from the owner.

"This is one for the history books! This is one of the earliest Parkers ever made and it’s a Filers vise to top it off (my favorite of course). It was made between 1854-1867 and is in amazing condition for its age. Jaws are incredible and the dynamic jaw has remnants of the Parker 1854 patent stamps. I left the 160+ years worth of patina which looks black if not in direct sunlight! Not sure they even gave it a model number it’s so early. The earliest ad with a Parker Filers vise is from 1876 and definitely more modern with the new collar design and handle tensioner. I included a pic of the earliest ad and the 1854 patent showing this was Parkers collar design the Howard Iron Works copied which is probably why they patented a new collar design in 1867. This thing belongs in a museum! "

Hey Kevin, thanks for bringing over the new cleaned up pictures! I forgot to get the specs for you. I just weighed the vise and it’s comes in at 29lbs with a max opening of 3 1/2” which i don’t think Iv ever seen a vise with wider jaws than the max opening before. Have you seen that before? I wish that ad from 1876 listed the max opening!

 

[MattGavriloff]

I know at least Parker liked to do that with filers vises...not sure about other mfgs.

catalog scan from ~1919

 

[KMScott]

Wilder C-300 and S-300. C-300 is their Clamp-on and the S-300 is their swivel base model. Both are 3" jaws.

 

[KMScott]

Athol 685. No spec:s yet.

 

[KMScott]

Yost model F Double Swiveler. 4" jaws that opens 6" and weights 64 lbs.

 

[MattGavriloff]

That thing is killer! I've never seen a Yost (Or anyone else using that casting) in a double swivel!

 

[Vise]

Haven’t seen this one before. Union Parker “the gem” 304. Not sure about jaw width, though I would guess 4”

 

[MattGavriloff]

I know I've seen Yost "The Gem" Vises before, but never a Parker one. Very neat! I wonder what the connection is, if any...

 

[454ragtop]

Didn't see this one on the spread sheet.
Simplex Utility No. 4
4-1/4" jaws, opens to a max of 5-1/4" with the screw and slide fully engaged
29 lbs. 7 oz.
Somewhat large for an exposed screw homeowner type vise, has removable jaw inserts and cast in place pipe jaws.

 

[Fierljeppen]

Haven’t seen this one before. Union Parker “the gem” 304. Not sure about jaw width, though I would guess 4”

I'm pretty sure that's a no. 804, which is bizzare since Yost had a model 804 "The Gem", which was a 4-inch jaw vise.

I couldn't find it in any catalogs, but my best guess would be that it's a 1970's vise. Rare vise, I've never seen one before.

 

[KMScott]

Guys if anyone has a Yost 804 please post pics and spec"s since I have never seen one.

 

[MattGavriloff]

Not mine, but the best I can do Kevin, "The Gem" 704, not 804. Still 4" jaws though. I'm pretty sure this one on "the bay" is what I remembered seeing when that Parker was posted.

 

[Fierljeppen]

"The Gem" no. 804, only specs are 4" jaws. I suspect these vises would be in a (1916-1919) Yost catalog, which I have never seen.

 

[KMScott]

Rex 700 (Prentiss). 2-1/2" jaws that opens to 2-1/4

 

[MattGavriloff]

Smallest combination vise? It's gotta be!

 

[KMScott]

Prentiss #10 Coachmakers Vise. 4-1/2" jaws that opens to 9-1/2" and weights 59 lbs. Joe owns this guy.

 

[KMScott]

Prentiss #938 Filers Vise. no spec"s confirmed.

 

[454ragtop]

Interesting background in the first pic of that 938 Prentiss......

 

[Fierljeppen]

Haven’t seen this one before. Union Parker “the gem” 304. Not sure about jaw width, though I would guess 4”

Uhmmm...I just noticed that the photo of "The Gem" 804 vise is a completely different vise than the Parker photos.

So it is a Yost "The Gem" 804 vise and a (1960's-1970's) Parker machinist vise, -2- completely different and independent vises.

You almost duped me.

 

[KMScott]

Uhmmm...I just noticed that the photo of "The Gem" 804 vise is a completely different vise than the Parker photos.

So it is a Yost "The Gem" 804 vise and a (1960's-1970's) Parker machinist vise, -2- completely different and independent vises.

You almost duped me.

Me too.

 

[MattGavriloff]

Me three...seems obvious now looking back at it. At least the mystery is solved...lol

 

[davethorik]

I had to drive to Indiana for this one, it has a couple minor issues. Not every day you run across a 5-1/4" J.O. Barrett no. 60 swivel base swivel jaw (dynamic jaw swivels, not static). Weight 110 lbs, opens 8-1/2". The green paint needs to go lol

The little J.O. Barrett baby vise for scale

 

[454ragtop]

Dave, can you show a pic of the jaw swiveled? I'm not seeing it, at least on the green monster.

 

[davethorik]

Dave, can you show a pic of the jaw swiveled? I'm not seeing it, at least on the green monster.

The taper pin is down on the other side by the other swivel lock.

 

[MattGavriloff]

I was about to ask for the same picture, and I see the picture you posted Dave, but I still don't exactly understand where the "swivel" is coming from? Does the slide pivot inside the body somehow? If you could, show a picture of the back side of the body where the slide comes through please. I'm guessing that opening has room for the slide to move to either side as the body is rotated? Nice vises regardless!

 

[454ragtop]

Matt, I was still stumped as well. A search of this thread turned up pics of one disassembled. The nut is on a swivel inside the static, with clearance in the sides of the static to allow the dynamic to swivel. Note, the range of swiveling isn't as much as most other swivel jaw vises.

 

[davethorik]

Matt, I was still stumped as well. A search of this thread turned up pics of one disassembled. The nut is on a swivel inside the static, with clearance in the sides of the static to allow the dynamic to swivel. Note, the range of swiveling isn't as much as most other swivel jaw vises.

Those other pics were probably mine...I am up to 3 of this design, and I've posted the others here too. The design is very interesting, the vises look unique and they are 130-ish years old. They are also uncommon.

But you are right, they swivel a few degrees less than other swivel jaws. Guess i should go scrap them lol

 

[zanyad]

But you are right, they swivel a few degrees less than other swivel jaws. Guess i should go scrap them lol

I'll happily pay scrap + a small premium for them!

 

[Productbob]

Hi Kevin, here's a photo of a 214 1/2 for the spreadsheet. It was manufactured just after the start of WW2 (January 42 ) which may explain its unusual features. It's a 4 footed base that is not marked 'R' or 'C' in the base casting; had a lot of swivel 'R's and every one as been marked as such. It also opens 7 1/4" instead of the 6 1/4" listed in the Reed literature.

 

[KMScott]

Luther 91-1/2. 1-1/2"jaws that opens to 1-1/2" and weights 4 lbs on this clamp-on.