chief ben
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And in the Day time, Don't get neer his Tractors,
watch your stuff!!!
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chief ben
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And Don't mess with His Trike or His Woman,
Now that the shed is empty, pack the underside of the door handles with anti-sieze. Let them have a hand full of that ****.
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Dan in Pasadena
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Right...And how frequently in the news do we read about a burglar injuring or murdering a homeowner? Answer: DAILY.
They break-in not knowing if anyone is home and if they are...too bad.
http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/man-pleads-guilty-in-realtors-death
You break in to my space, you die. Simple.
This thief broke into the OP's yard shed! He's a lowlife but he doesn't deserve to DIE for it. Talk yourself into whatever justification you need to absolve yourself but using deadly force against a person doing that is murder, period.
Here in FLA, I can shoot and I will shoot. Even a dirtbag can understand: Don't break into my shop & you live.
What happens when OP goes outside and stumbles upon the guy burglarizing his shed? The burglar easily has the upper hand. Or should he just cower inside, call the police and hope that they show up in time to save his stuff?
Yes, dirtbags deserve to die.
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Dan in Pasadena
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Nope, I disagree. I understand the sentiment. I'd want to throttle the guy too. What the thief DESERVES is to be arrested and prosecuted. You can inject all the "what if's" you want but the OP came out in the morning and found his shed broken into with things missing. I think he's absolutely right to be TOTALLY PISSED. I would be. And to maybe even wish he'd caught the guy in the act, but to kill him? That's not reasonable, that's not Christian, hell even extremists only cut off the hand of thieves - brutal as that is - but we've got people here so ***** to use their guns they want to kill people for thievery.
Kevin54
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What the hell does that have anything to do with anything. They don't work because they choose not to work. They've stolen before Obama, and they'll steal after Obama.
Crackheads and dopers. They ain't stealin' so they can go buy a sammy at the corner restaurant, they're stealing to supply their habit. Most now days, figure that what's yours is also theirs. I don't think I'd go as far as shooting someone for stealing, but I'd lay odds that they'd **** themself before the cops showed up. And they just might have a busted knee so they can't run. Almost every house in our neighborhood was broke into a couple of years ago. Only about two wasn't and those were because the homeowner owned dogs. One was our house that wasn't hit. We had a good idea who it was and that person was questioned but no charges files. The thefts stopped after that.
About a month ago, my BIL had someone pull into his driveway and tried to steal his generator that he had running. He turned on a light and they bailed before he got a license number. But he was showing me a coupe of sensors that he put up that turns on security lights. They're wireless and run off of a battery. Anyone breaks the beam and he has floodlights that come on. I failed to ask him where he got it, but I will when I see him tomorrow. I considering getting one along with getting a game camera and mounting it towards my garage. So far we've been lucky, as the dog warns up if anyone is close and we always sleep with a window open or cracked open year around if it's not raining in, so anyone near our garage can be heard at night.
KPSquared
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This sounds like a load of typical Commi-fornia BS.
You come on my property un-invited, you steal my things, I can only assume you are willing to hurt my family or myself. Based on that assumption, I will use whatever means necessary to prevent that from happening. Warning shots work fine in the movies, but multiple rounds center mass work well in real life. People spend way to much time defending the actions of criminals. If you make it to court, then fine, have your day. If I'm defending my family. . .then God will have to decided your fate.
You're assuming I'm Christian and reasonable. I am neither.
I don't want to kill someone for thievery, I want to kill them for being a dirt-bag. Their thievery just gives me an excuse.
As more people get fed up with "dirt-baggery", I believe we'll see more public "executions", and I believe juries (excepting those populated by the likes of yourself) will have sympathy. The pendulum is swinging the other way, dirt-bags be forewarned.
Dan in Pasadena, you sound like someone who has never been the victim of a burglary or home invasion. We had someone break into our garden shed a few months ago and I can tell you, hearing your two little ones and your wife scream and cry in fear because they thought someone was going to break into your house is something you never want to experience again.
In our case, my first instinct was to gather the family and get them into a locked bathroom. When i got outside, my neighbour had grabbed the guy and had him face down, while a knee firmly jammed in his back. I don't know if it was the adrenalin or just the sheer rage of having my family terrified but I ran over and kicked that scumbag as hard as I could in the side of the face. At the time, it didn't make me feel better, only more enraged and it was only the other neighbours who came out at the commotion that stopped me from stomping his face into pulp.
When the cops arrived, they took me inside the garage and gave me a stern warning - if the guy decided to press charges, they would have to arrest me but they were sympathetic saying it would be a damn shame.
I don't live in the States so owning a gun for protection is out of the question, unfortunately, but I now keep a hammer under the bed. If it happens again, my wife knows to grab the kids, lock themselves in the bathroom, call the cops and wait. In the meantime, I'll be defending my family and property against a dangerous criminal who has made the decision to put my family in danger.
BTW, it's not extremists who cut people's hand off for stealing. That's a very uninformed thing to say. You should really look into the laws that govern the removal of hands and the circumstances under which it's applied before commenting. To be honest, I wish we had some of those punishments in our 'civilised' society. Get caught stealing for anything other than food to feed your family? Kiss that hand good bye.
Break into someone's house, invade their privacy and put them in danger? You'v just forfeited your life. Whatever happens to you, the owners should be 100% free of consequences, no matter how medieval they get on your ***.
Sorry for the rant, this is a garage board but this issue is very close to me.
In our case, my first instinct was to gather the family and get them into a locked bathroom. When i got outside, my neighbour had grabbed the guy and had him face down, while a knee firmly jammed in his back. I don't know if it was the adrenalin or just the sheer rage of having my family terrified but I ran over and kicked that scumbag as hard as I could in the side of the face. At the time, it didn't make me feel better, only more enraged and it was only the other neighbours who came out at the commotion that stopped me from stomping his face into pulp.
When the cops arrived, they took me inside the garage and gave me a stern warning - if the guy decided to press charges, they would have to arrest me but they were sympathetic saying it would be a damn shame.
I don't live in the States so owning a gun for protection is out of the question, unfortunately, but I now keep a hammer under the bed. If it happens again, my wife knows to grab the kids, lock themselves in the bathroom, call the cops and wait. In the meantime, I'll be defending my family and property against a dangerous criminal who has made the decision to put my family in danger.
BTW, it's not extremists who cut people's hand off for stealing. That's a very uninformed thing to say. You should really look into the laws that govern the removal of hands and the circumstances under which it's applied before commenting. To be honest, I wish we had some of those punishments in our 'civilised' society. Get caught stealing for anything other than food to feed your family? Kiss that hand good bye.
Break into someone's house, invade their privacy and put them in danger? You'v just forfeited your life. Whatever happens to you, the owners should be 100% free of consequences, no matter how medieval they get on your ***.
Sorry for the rant, this is a garage board but this issue is very close to me.
Stop right there! You see, in Girly-Man Land (California), the law states you have a "duty to retreat". You cannot leave the safety of your home (armed) and confront someone. You have to cower inside your home, hiding in the bathroom while crying to the 9-1-1 dispatcher and hope/wish that the bad guy goes away or the police arrive to apprehend him. I also believe the law states you must pee yourself or face prosecution.
Stainless169
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I can't even work on things in my garage without cars driving by rubber necking. I live in a neighborhood that is basically like a huge circle drive. I'll have cars come by and slow down or even stop to get a peak of what I'm doing or what's in my garage. A lot of times.. these people don't even live around here.
Recently I frosted my windows so no snoopers can see in at night. And I recently added two of these cameras that are wireless. You just plug them in and they connect to my home network. I can even view them from my smart phone at anytime. They pan and tilt as well. They're mainly a deterrent but if someone does come around.. i'll know.
I've had my stuff stolen before as well and even the times they got caught.. they were still losers and took years to pay me back. In the mean time.. I was just out the money for my stuff.
Recently I frosted my windows so no snoopers can see in at night. And I recently added two of these cameras that are wireless. You just plug them in and they connect to my home network. I can even view them from my smart phone at anytime. They pan and tilt as well. They're mainly a deterrent but if someone does come around.. i'll know.
I've had my stuff stolen before as well and even the times they got caught.. they were still losers and took years to pay me back. In the mean time.. I was just out the money for my stuff.
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Dan in Pasadena
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You don't have to apologize for the rant. We're all (supposed to be) adults here; despite the name callers
thinking that somehow advances their argument. To me, it just makes me dismiss them for what they are. I THINK we can agree to disagree while stating our opinions.I "get" that you feel passionate about the issue because you've been a victim. You're right that I didn't do RESEARCH before posting that extremists cut off hands for thievery. I don't know which countries allow this though it is my understanding that some do.
To me, any country that allows that IS extremist. There's a reason (Thank God) we have a Constitution that disallows cruel and unusual punishment and I support that.
You know guys, there's a reason the old expressions hurt and the one that applies here is "The Truth Hurts". The guys that are getting angry and name calling here are just demonstrating they're angry and to me that means my comment: You shouldn't take someone's life for stealing THINGS, hurts because its the truth.
BTW, before anyone posts a snarky comment about support for the part of the Constitution that allows us all to keep and bear weapons? Yes, I do support it. My comment isn't to object to owning weapons, it's about using deadly force when it is not merited.
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Name callers?
I just went back and re-read all my posts...didn't say "******" in any of them.The only thing that's going to "hurt" is the mo-fo that I catch breaking into my shop after catching one of these in his head:
Erampu
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Dan in Pasadena, you're not getting a lot of love here, but I agree with you 100%. I guess I'm a commie, too.
roblouvasz
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Here in Ohio, The "Castle Law" was recently passed. Basically it states anyone entering or breaking can be killed by the homeowner with no charges against the homeowner. Before you had to try and get out and let them (the burgular) have thier way. If you couldn't get out and got killed so what. Thank God it's been changed! I don't know if the law applies to any other structure on the property such as an attatched or dettatched garage or shed. I think a law like this should be in all 50 states. I've invested time and money into what I have. I'm not going to let some crackhead take it from me!
Compare crackheads to business investors. Risk vs. return. Crackhead knows there is a risk in stealing, but he calculates the risk and proceeds or doesn't (fence, dog, etc.). A business investor works exactly the same way before purchasing stock...calculates the risk (economy, strength of business, prior returns, etc.).
If there were no risk in business investing, we'd all be rich, right? If there were no risk in stealing, the crackheads would run over us.
Us "nut-jobs" who shoot to kill provide the necessary risk that keeps the crackheads in check. To those who haven't been robbed by a crackhead, please feel free to send a dividend check to me at....
If there were no risk in business investing, we'd all be rich, right? If there were no risk in stealing, the crackheads would run over us.
Us "nut-jobs" who shoot to kill provide the necessary risk that keeps the crackheads in check. To those who haven't been robbed by a crackhead, please feel free to send a dividend check to me at....
bczygan
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You don't have to apologize for the rant. We're all (supposed to be) adults here; despite the name callers
I "get" that you feel passionate about the issue because you've been a victim. You're right that I didn't do RESEARCH before posting that extremists cut off hands for thievery. I don't know which countries allow this though it is my understanding that some do.
To me, any country that allows that IS extremist. There's a reason (Thank God) we have a Constitution that disallows cruel and unusual punishment and I support that.
You know guys, there's a reason the old expressions hurt and the one that applies here is "The Truth Hurts". The guys that are getting angry and name calling here are just demonstrating they're angry and to me that means my comment: You shouldn't take someone's life for stealing THINGS, hurts because its the truth.
BTW, before anyone posts a snarky comment about support for the part of the Constitution that allows us all to keep and bear weapons? Yes, I do support it. My comment isn't to object to owning weapons, it's about using deadly force when it is not merited.
When someone takes my property they take my life. They take the most precious things I have. They take the time I have here on earth, that I spent to earn the money to buy the thing that they stole. So if you are taking my property or money, you are taking a part of my life. If I can't stop you any other way, I will use force, and force adequate to stop you and make you return or replace what you have taken.
dladcock
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A friend at work owns the family farm jointly with his BIL. Tony, the BIL lives across the road from the old home place. They still raise some cows, horses and hay/feed for the animals. Tony also does HVAC work so any units he removes he scraps and sells the copper, etc. to help make ends meet.
Well, a few months ago, some local kids stole the scrap metals and anything else they could sell from the farm and surrounding neighbors. While these guys were just beginning their low-life careers they weren't too far gone to turn around. Tony was pissed and he's a kinda of get you back fellow, so when the sentencing details were worked out the DA asked if the terms were agreeable to Tony. He said the restitution was OK, the community service was OK, but he wanted more.
The DA asked what else could be done to which Tony replied, " I want these three boys to go with my wife and I to Church every Sunday for three months." "If they miss just one Sunday, I'll reject the terms and they can go to jail." The DA liked his terms and agreed.
One has decided to join the Marines, the other two have decided to go to college. I know this is a one of a kind story, but it was refreshing to know the victim had some input and the ending was positive. Of course he had something to work with, these guys were basically good, just trying bad ****.
So, if there was a real punishment involved in a crime, then maybe there would be a chance for reform??? Novel idea I know. Maybe it could be tried somewhere.
Well, a few months ago, some local kids stole the scrap metals and anything else they could sell from the farm and surrounding neighbors. While these guys were just beginning their low-life careers they weren't too far gone to turn around. Tony was pissed and he's a kinda of get you back fellow, so when the sentencing details were worked out the DA asked if the terms were agreeable to Tony. He said the restitution was OK, the community service was OK, but he wanted more.
The DA asked what else could be done to which Tony replied, " I want these three boys to go with my wife and I to Church every Sunday for three months." "If they miss just one Sunday, I'll reject the terms and they can go to jail." The DA liked his terms and agreed.
One has decided to join the Marines, the other two have decided to go to college. I know this is a one of a kind story, but it was refreshing to know the victim had some input and the ending was positive. Of course he had something to work with, these guys were basically good, just trying bad ****.
So, if there was a real punishment involved in a crime, then maybe there would be a chance for reform??? Novel idea I know. Maybe it could be tried somewhere.
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LowKat
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I collect old gas station pumps and have some outside in plain view.
Middle of the night, I hear a bang, and go to see a pickup w/trailer leaving my driveway with a visible gas pump. I jump in my Blazer and the chase is on, out through the back roads that I know very well. I follow them close enough to make them nervous, finally they miss a turn and go down a small embankment. I drive on by and call the cops from down the road. The cops show up with a K9. Busted.
District Attorney asks me if I'd be interested in a law enforcement job.
Now the thiefs get to remember me every month with a restitution payment.
Anyway, if you catch them in your yard, garage, shed... use a baseball bat or 9 iron.
Catch them in your house, use a 9MM.
I'd probably shoot for the leg unless they're armed.
OH, WAIT..... A leg shot now means society pays room and board on the ***.
Middle of the night, I hear a bang, and go to see a pickup w/trailer leaving my driveway with a visible gas pump. I jump in my Blazer and the chase is on, out through the back roads that I know very well. I follow them close enough to make them nervous, finally they miss a turn and go down a small embankment. I drive on by and call the cops from down the road. The cops show up with a K9. Busted.
District Attorney asks me if I'd be interested in a law enforcement job.
Now the thiefs get to remember me every month with a restitution payment.
Anyway, if you catch them in your yard, garage, shed... use a baseball bat or 9 iron.
Catch them in your house, use a 9MM.
I'd probably shoot for the leg unless they're armed.
OH, WAIT..... A leg shot now means society pays room and board on the ***.
My neighbor used to have a small lawn care business as a side job. He had a trailer with his equipment parked in his driveway which is just off a busy 4 lane highway. The trailer was secured to a tree with a fair sized chain and lock. One day some thief backed into his driveway during the middle of the day while he and his wife were both at work, cut the chain and hauled the trailer full of equipment away. That's pretty bold. We figure they had probably cased the job and knew nobody was home during the day. Of course the crime was never solved.
The moral of the story is that if they want your stuff bad enough, they'll get it. All you can really do is try to make it hard enough that they go somewhere easier. It made me a little paranoid that something like that happened so close to my house. Our dogs don't miss much and they would sound the alarm if someone is messing around on our property, but if we weren't home what good would even that do?
Add me to the group of people who don't think thieves are punished severely enough in most cases. I also am in favor of shooting them if they break into your house, because you don't know what their intentions are at that point.
The moral of the story is that if they want your stuff bad enough, they'll get it. All you can really do is try to make it hard enough that they go somewhere easier. It made me a little paranoid that something like that happened so close to my house. Our dogs don't miss much and they would sound the alarm if someone is messing around on our property, but if we weren't home what good would even that do?
Add me to the group of people who don't think thieves are punished severely enough in most cases. I also am in favor of shooting them if they break into your house, because you don't know what their intentions are at that point.
sberry
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I agree there is room for both, I like the 9 iron or bat idea. I agree a shot in the leg is not a good idea, very expensive, the guy probably doesn't have major medical, if I am going to shoot there is no intent not to kill him. There is only gonna be one side to the story.
Having said that it would certainly have to be a last resort, I don't always think fast but don't scare easily and most people but the most deranged do not want to get away from a crazy guy that surprises them in the middle of the night. I wouldn't want to shoot a neighbors kid, some deal where it turns out the intent was , well less than serious.
I had an incident I figured something was up, I don't turn on lights etc but can slip into some pants and work boots if needed and toss a pair of number 9 kleins in my pocket, turns out I corner this guy in my folks yard in the middle of the night. It did occur to me to punch him out, could have felt manly but I pretty much scare the **** out of him, just drunk out in the middle of no where, lost, probably blacked out, comes up with a story about a ride etc. There was no way he was going to hurt me, I chased him out with a scare like I just got out of the nut ward in a prison, it was warm summer night, he not going to freeze he can walk back to town, I ain't worth the hassle of pulling out a gun.
I certainly would have been less considerate had it been someone backed up to the door with a truck. I give a 2 thumbs up to the guy running them in the ditch, I will agree, good work. They would also have their work cut out for them to get away in a wheeled pursuit. I would rather be in a fight with my work truck, its parked out of the way but my caddy is fast, if I thought it was going to be a chase I would run them right down. I would likely get about the same result, them in the ditch, me on the phone.
Having said that it would certainly have to be a last resort, I don't always think fast but don't scare easily and most people but the most deranged do not want to get away from a crazy guy that surprises them in the middle of the night. I wouldn't want to shoot a neighbors kid, some deal where it turns out the intent was , well less than serious.
I had an incident I figured something was up, I don't turn on lights etc but can slip into some pants and work boots if needed and toss a pair of number 9 kleins in my pocket, turns out I corner this guy in my folks yard in the middle of the night. It did occur to me to punch him out, could have felt manly but I pretty much scare the **** out of him, just drunk out in the middle of no where, lost, probably blacked out, comes up with a story about a ride etc. There was no way he was going to hurt me, I chased him out with a scare like I just got out of the nut ward in a prison, it was warm summer night, he not going to freeze he can walk back to town, I ain't worth the hassle of pulling out a gun.
I certainly would have been less considerate had it been someone backed up to the door with a truck. I give a 2 thumbs up to the guy running them in the ditch, I will agree, good work. They would also have their work cut out for them to get away in a wheeled pursuit. I would rather be in a fight with my work truck, its parked out of the way but my caddy is fast, if I thought it was going to be a chase I would run them right down. I would likely get about the same result, them in the ditch, me on the phone.
I'm glad to see that so many share the same sentiment toward this situation, and thieves as I do. I will give Dan, that if you happened on someone stealing your stuff that was in desperate need to take care of his family and you knew that he was in no way going to be violent toward you or your family, then shooting them in this situation is a little harsh and I would genuinely want to help them. The problem is that in the heat of the moment there is no way to gather all that information, and immediate reaction is needed or you may end up dead and unable to help your family. If you are stealing other peoples stuff in the darkness of night, you have to understand the consequences of your actions and realize you are now viewed as a threat even if you are not, and only want their stuff.
To the kind gentleman in Pasadena; your sentiment is popular is certain areas of the country.
To residents of the Great State of Texas; I provide the following link as a courtesy.
http://www.texasgunlaws.org/chap9.htm
Semper Fi
Freefall_Doug
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I can't stand a theif
Keltec PF9. My favorite cary gun. It disappears right in a cargo pocket with a pocket holster. My wallet, sure I will get you my wallet!
I hate thieves. This guy is a dirtbag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aLxsLbl16IM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aLxsLbl16IM
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Shadowdog500
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+1 on "what was your dog doing!" My dogs bark whenever anyone walks on my property. Heck our neighbor decided to smoke a cigarette in front of our house at 1am last week and our dogs were going nuts barking out the front windows.
Fence in your yard and get a dog door and a dog that will bark. My back deck Is high enough that our dogs can look over our 6' fence. It scares the hell out of people when our dogs poke their heads over a 6' fence and bark at them. The yellow lab in the photo was about 5 months old in this photo she is taller now.
Chris
Fence in your yard and get a dog door and a dog that will bark. My back deck Is high enough that our dogs can look over our 6' fence. It scares the hell out of people when our dogs poke their heads over a 6' fence and bark at them. The yellow lab in the photo was about 5 months old in this photo she is taller now.
Chris
Keltec PF9. My favorite cary gun. It disappears right in a cargo pocket with a pocket holster. My wallet, sure I will get you my wallet!
Just found this out. Heard some load noises outside after dark, went out with the PF9 to find that some dirtbag had egged my van and the light was on in the shed. Went in the shed things looked ok, so I thought I had left it on. Put the PF9 in my back pocket turned out light and locked the door, then this car comes by and these dirtbags eeg my van again. just kids.
But with gun in pocket I didn't do anything but wish I could have had time and opportunity to throw a rock.
The way I see things , I have the right to protect my family, myself and my property, I'm not out looking for trouble.
Jay_mc1
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95YJIL,
I feel your pain. This summer, I am backing out of the driveway and think, "I dont remember my wife putting her car away last night." I check the garage and nope, its not there either. I call my buddy thinking he is playing a prank with no luck. I call the cops, which was pretty much worthless, except for the insurance company wanting a copy of the report. 1 month later, a friend finds our car about 2 miles away hidding in a group of trees. Since then two other cars have been stolen and ended up in the same spot as ours was found, and numerous garages have been broken into in town. I have purchased new steel exterior doors with deadbolts for both the house and garage, and installed a wireless motion sensor in the detached garage that has a alarm in the house. The alarm was less than $20 an Menards, but is totally worth it. Im tempted to get a couple more for outside, but am afraid they would be going off all the time with all the wildlife around. Im more concerned about the inside of the garage.
I hope things turn around for you and you find your stuff.
I feel your pain. This summer, I am backing out of the driveway and think, "I dont remember my wife putting her car away last night." I check the garage and nope, its not there either. I call my buddy thinking he is playing a prank with no luck. I call the cops, which was pretty much worthless, except for the insurance company wanting a copy of the report. 1 month later, a friend finds our car about 2 miles away hidding in a group of trees. Since then two other cars have been stolen and ended up in the same spot as ours was found, and numerous garages have been broken into in town. I have purchased new steel exterior doors with deadbolts for both the house and garage, and installed a wireless motion sensor in the detached garage that has a alarm in the house. The alarm was less than $20 an Menards, but is totally worth it. Im tempted to get a couple more for outside, but am afraid they would be going off all the time with all the wildlife around. Im more concerned about the inside of the garage.
I hope things turn around for you and you find your stuff.
It's pretty sad. You would think that letting your neighbors know that you have a mill, welders, power tools, shop-vac etc would be ok... So if something needs fixed or they need an emergency repair they know who they can turn to, but in today's times you never know who will steal from you.
It seems that most laws favor the side of the criminal when it comes to them stealing your stuff and you trying to stop them. Also i would think that dogs ripping a guys arm off in your backyard would land you in a world of hurt for not making sure your "vicious dogs" were kept safely contained.
I think someone on here was saying that in canada if you are standing between the thief and his escape route you are at fault and can be punished for shooting him as you are not letting him stop what he is doing and escape.... crazy...
I know many welders in my area are getting hurt pretty badly when the tweakers steal the copper welding leads off their trucks for scrap value. They are stealing the mans ability to feed his family....NOT COOL....
I don't think you could get away from legal ramifications if you were to shoot someone dead in your front yard (maybe in texas though.... I miss texas....)
If they come into the house that's another matter all together though, 2 in center mass and one in the head. Better for you if there is only one side to the story when the cops show up.
It seems that most laws favor the side of the criminal when it comes to them stealing your stuff and you trying to stop them. Also i would think that dogs ripping a guys arm off in your backyard would land you in a world of hurt for not making sure your "vicious dogs" were kept safely contained.
I think someone on here was saying that in canada if you are standing between the thief and his escape route you are at fault and can be punished for shooting him as you are not letting him stop what he is doing and escape.... crazy...
I know many welders in my area are getting hurt pretty badly when the tweakers steal the copper welding leads off their trucks for scrap value. They are stealing the mans ability to feed his family....NOT COOL....
I don't think you could get away from legal ramifications if you were to shoot someone dead in your front yard (maybe in texas though.... I miss texas....)
If they come into the house that's another matter all together though, 2 in center mass and one in the head. Better for you if there is only one side to the story when the cops show up.
I have some of these - http://www.cctvcamerapros.com/IP-Network-Camera-p/zavio-f210a.htm
Cheape and effective, they ring you if they detect motion and they record everything.
Cheape and effective, they ring you if they detect motion and they record everything.
power wagon
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iam not so sure about your propety but if my life is threatened or i perceived it threatened while protecting my propety i have no issues with shooting,like my sign at the end of my road says,there is nothing here worth losing your life
38Chevy454
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Nothing lower than thieves. Sorry you found out your neighborhood is like the rest of the US. Full of worthless lowlifes. Agree most are drug addicts looking for easy money, but the laws are not strict enough to prevent it.
Having them caught and arrested only guarantees they return to the streets. Too many liberals, not enough street justice. Street justice up to and including a clip full of lead.
The claim that killing someone is not christian? You better read up on your bible. Here in NM (except for Sante Fe, which is like Berkeley NM) we believe in concealed carry and my church has approximately 15 licensed CC persons on our security team. You guess which 15.......... My church will not be a bunch of helpless victims.
Having them caught and arrested only guarantees they return to the streets. Too many liberals, not enough street justice. Street justice up to and including a clip full of lead.
The claim that killing someone is not christian? You better read up on your bible. Here in NM (except for Sante Fe, which is like Berkeley NM) we believe in concealed carry and my church has approximately 15 licensed CC persons on our security team. You guess which 15.......... My church will not be a bunch of helpless victims.
rburke65
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Sky king .......you're not referring to those 47% folks are you?
power wagon
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i cant imagine stealing ,if your into stealing what else would you be capable of
William Payne
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Stealing is low, very very low. Never had the house broken into but have had stuff taken off of the property and my dads work van was broken into and tools stolen a few years back.
Honestly it has made me very very very wary of strangers and even my neighbours. I share a house with my dad (his house actually) and he thinks I am nuts for wanting to fort nox the place but I want to have a new garage built and do some of my projects and I want the place to be safe. One of the neighbours that back onto our place have a small 4 foot fence between us and them and honestly it attracts to many oportunistic people as I am sure thats where the stuff thats gone missing has gone. I plan on extending the height of that fence to 2 metres.
I am 24 so for me maybe I am just paranoid but my dad is 68 this year and getting treatment for some mild cancer he shouldnt be worrying about thieves. What truly scares me is he doesn't he is alot more trusting then me.
My dad comes from a time where you left your keys in the car and your house unlocked even when on vacation, sometimes he just doesnt think about risk of thieves.
Honestly it has made me very very very wary of strangers and even my neighbours. I share a house with my dad (his house actually) and he thinks I am nuts for wanting to fort nox the place but I want to have a new garage built and do some of my projects and I want the place to be safe. One of the neighbours that back onto our place have a small 4 foot fence between us and them and honestly it attracts to many oportunistic people as I am sure thats where the stuff thats gone missing has gone. I plan on extending the height of that fence to 2 metres.
I am 24 so for me maybe I am just paranoid but my dad is 68 this year and getting treatment for some mild cancer he shouldnt be worrying about thieves. What truly scares me is he doesn't he is alot more trusting then me.
My dad comes from a time where you left your keys in the car and your house unlocked even when on vacation, sometimes he just doesnt think about risk of thieves.
William Payne
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I know this sounds silly, but we had the tap hose fitting stolen off our outside tap oneday. That is a pretty low value item but honestly it made me feel terrible. I felt violated. It didn't matter if it was worth a dollar or a million dollars the thing that hurt me was someone came onto the property and took something that wasn't theirs.