Waterless barn bath. No pee funnels here!

[Dave Carney]

Just finished this.

To put a regular water type toilet in my barn would have cost $7000 more due to the trenching distance to the lagoon, drilling another well, plumbing, etc. Plus I do not want to heat the building continuously in the winter, or alternatively, I don't want to drain plumbing and then not have a working bathroom because the pipes are drained.

Dismissed the composting toilet option as well after reading a very good book on the subject.

So, here we go...featuring an incinolet incinerating toilet. Cooks the pooh at 1200 degrees or so... you can read about it here www.incinolet.com

Built the roof and walls very strong, so that the top of the bath can be used as storage for wood or steel stock, etc.. I wanted to use lots of wood and I wanted to feature copper somehow (ceiling), I like wood and I like copper, and I like the contrast between the rugged outhouse like exterior and the nicely finished interior. It's going to be a great place for deep thinking. Enjoy!

 

[Dave Carney]

More pics...

 

[walrus]

I must admit what folks do to their shops is great. Good idea and nice job.

 

[rcleaver]

To install it, do you just "plop" it down?

Do you have to toast the poop after each use?

 

[dreamingmuscle]

I find it hard to believe that the paper liner is going keep the bowl sparkling clean.

Other then that Cool build.
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[Dave Carney]

To install it, do you just "plop" it down?

Do you have to toast the poop after each use?

Almost. You hook up a 4" pvc vent pipe and then plug it in to a 20 amp outlet.

After deploying the payload you hit the button and it cooks at 1200 degrees for an hour or so, during which time you can still use it and then you hit the button again to restart the timer.

 

[Dave Carney]

I find it hard to believe that the paper liner is going keep the bowl sparkling clean.

Other then that Cool build.

It does, believe it or not. They perfected this design over 40 years. I've used it for a while now....no mess at all.

 

[rcleaver]

Good job and great design. It reminds me of a log cabin.

 

[Diesel-Mech]

Looks cool, there is an episode of dirty jobs where the host has to fix one of those on a fishing boat after the incinerator failed or something to that effect.

 

[BlackLead]

How bad is the odor of poop being incinerated at 1200 degrees?

 

[Dave Carney]

How bad is the odor of poop being incinerated at 1200 degrees?

Absolutely no odor inside, there is a blower that is continually drawing air in from the room, over the batch job, and then out the vent. Outside, it's not bad either, you'd have to be right there by the exhaust outlet on a calm day...but it's a cross between burning wood and burning sugar in a microwave, definitely does not smell like pooh.

 

[Dragster Racer]

How about hand washing? I like the incinerater idea.

 

[Dave Carney]

How about hand washing? I like the incinerater idea.

(See pics) 2 hand cleaners, pump bottle purex, or Germ-X wipes.

 

[Jpfreak33]

Cool idea, love the poop shack look, very creative.

 

[Bull]

I looked into one of these since I did not want to spend the money having a waste line run to my shop. I read about this particular toilet, and decided that the liner process sounded inconvenient. It's not a hassle at all? Simple and quick?

 

[Dave Carney]

I looked into one of these since I did not want to spend the money having a waste line run to my shop. I read about this particular toilet, and decided that the liner process sounded inconvenient. It's not a hassle at all? Simple and quick?

What part of it sounded inconvenient? Putting it in the bowl? No, it's 5 seconds from the holder on the wall to in the bowl ready to go. None of this mattered to me though. There was no competing product to consider, given the price difference. The toilet I bought slightly used off Ebay, so I have $2500 in the whole restroom, or it would have been $10,000 for traditional, (plus annual heating bills, plus mice.)

 

[Bull]

Well, this is sort of great news from my perspective, because at some point I'd like something out there, and this would probably be it.

What do they go for?

 

[Dave Carney]

Well, this is sort of great news from my perspective, because at some point I'd like something out there, and this would probably be it.

What do they go for?

New..a lot. www.incinolet.com

 

[Bull]

Wowzers! Cheaper than running plumbing, though.

 

[Tman]

I have studied composting and the Incinolet, why did you decide agaist the composter?

 

[Dave Carney]

I have studied composting and the Incinolet, why did you decide agaist the composter?

I read this book:

The Composting Toilet System Book

That convinced me. In fact, it wasn't even close. I highly recommend buying the book and reading it before investing in a composter. The incinolet website has a matrix that compares the two and it's pretty good if you want a quick and dirty:

http://www.incinolet.com/aboutus_2.htm

 

[Dave Carney]

Looks cool, there is an episode of dirty jobs where the host has to fix one of those on a fishing boat after the incinerator failed or something to that effect.

I'm trying to figure out how this happened unless they were careless and decided to continue using it after it was broke. In which case they were just stupid or maybe they didn't have any choice or didn't care?? "The cook pot" is a sealed, thick, heavy cylinder made out of clay or something that can take the extreme heat. If the cooking element failed, the waste would still be in the pot and the element can be changed without touching the waste.

 

[Diesel-Mech]

I'm trying to figure out how this happened unless they were careless and decided to continue using it after it was broke. In which case they were just stupid or maybe they didn't have any choice or didn't care?? "The cook pot" is a sealed, thick, heavy cylinder made out of clay or something that can take the extreme heat. If the cooking element failed, the waste would still be in the pot and the element can be changed without touching the waste.

I cant remember the specifics but I think you are right that they kept using it for awhile after it failed (out to sea I guess) and by the time they were ready to repair it the thing was overflowing with waste.

 

[Dave Carney]

Added a sign.

 

[tdkkart]

How about hand washing? I like the incinerater idea.

2 rules:

Don't pee on your hands.

Don't slip-n-dip

 

[Dave Carney]

Aye, yaye, yaye...

I've addressed the hand cleaning a couple times complete with pics, but lest somebody buy into the dipping comment......the distance from the seat to the waste is the same 7 1/2" as it is in a standard flush toilet.

 

[flyng_fool]

Do you use some of the residual poopie heat to help heat your garage?

 

[Dave Carney]

sure...lol...probably as much as 500 btu heat leaks out over the course of an hour cycle and that heats 1 cubic foot of my 30,000 cubic foot uninsulated garage.

Oh man...do i regret starting this thread....

 

[tdkkart]

Hmmm, this says 1800 watts:
http://ssl3.adhost.com/incinolet/

That means that every dump would cost me 21 cents if it burns for an hour each time??

Guess that ain't too bad if it's raining between the house and shop.

BTW, my slip-n-dip comment was talking more about geting a proper grip on the TP, not dipping too low..........

 

[tdkkart]

Oh man...do i regret starting this thread....

Yep, you started it, now be quiet and let us have our fun........

 

[Dave Carney]

I can't stop though, lol...now I'm addicted to the nuttyness of some of the questions and comments....

I calculated that if I lived to be slightly older than 1000 years, the traditional toilet would cost me less over all.

Actually it's worse than that, even if you throw out the $7000 initial difference, the cost of heating the garage 24/7 during the winter for the sake of keeping pipes thawed, is far more than the cost of running the incinolet, by a factor of 70 or 80.

 

[tdkkart]

the cost of heating the garage 24/7 during the winter for the sake of keeping pipes thawed, is far more than the cost of running the incinolet, by a factor of 70 or 80.

Yes, but if it's -30*F in the shop I ain't about to sit on that seat anyway, I'm headed to the house.....

Actually, the house we just bought has a pretty neat setup. There's a 3'x3' "toilet room" right inside the back door in the laundry/utility room, looks like a dressing room, the walls don't go all the way to the floor or ceiling(I'm guessing to get around having a vent fan??). Works fine, the floor is ceramic tile so you don't have take off your shoes, closed off from the rest of the house, and there's autility sink in the laundry area.
It's almost a shop crapper without taking up room in the shop.

 

[walrus]

Oh man...do i regret starting this thread....

I've enjoyed reading it. I can see why you'd install it. I don't want to be a slave to heating a shop either so I see your point.

 

[TheShrine]

Interesting! I've never heard of this. I guess this would be called.....Hot S _ _T!

 

[hunt]

this is interesting, never though of burning ****?

 

[theroyz71]

It reminds me of a log cabin.

Technically, it is a "log" cabin.

 

[Bermudacat]

From the sublime to the rediculous! Didn't know such a contraption existed. I've seen the peat moss bucket gig work quite well indoors and seen the metal bucket hydrated lime gig work fine outdoors.

Instead of that fancy gitty-up, I have an espresso maker. My espresso maker was made in Italy, and just like Musolini, it keeps the trains running on time.

 

[e-tek]

What the HELL is wrong with a pee funnel??!!

 

[cyclopsblown34]

How about hand washing? I like the incinerater idea.

Scrubs in a Bucket? Loads of companies make waterless hand wipes to actually remove stuff, not just germicide.

 

[Omphaloskeptic]

"Chestnuts roasting on a open fire, jack frost nipping at your 'nose'". Sorry, the thought of winter use of 'Waterless barn bath' just made that song pop into my head. Makes me wonder if the seat has a 'preheater/bun warmer'?
Another thing - what do you do with the ashes? Have people started accusing you of being a 'hot $hit'? Is it explosion proof? Ya' know - methane gas + combustion heat = KaaBOOOMMM!
Thanks - I just had to get that out of my system; I'll stop (and flush) now.