To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Welding Lessons?

Smiliesafari

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 27, 2012
Messages
288
Location
Orlando, Florida
TAKE A CLASS. There's things you need to know even if you are only going to be a hobby welder. The fact that your Lincoln stick welder has been around forever is a testament to its usefulness and quality. I've had mine for almost 50 years.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

justanengineer

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 5, 2011
Messages
7,722
Location
Motor City
Be careful here, once you are exposed to MIG welding, you will want to dump that antique and buy a MIG welder. MIG welding is sooo much easier and much more versatile than stick welding!

Funny, Ive got MIG, TIG, and SMAW equipment and found MIG to be the least versatile and least easy to learn to weld decently. Its also usually the last you learn in a formal program bc of this.

FWIW, I do call out non-critical welds in prints everyday where the weldor has his choice of process to use and it almost always seems to be stick. Maybe I just work with some guys that are antiques?
 
Last edited:

Taildragger

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 20, 2013
Messages
100
Location
Central Iowa
I found TIG to be the easiest to pick up, but that maybe because I went to it from Oxy/Acetylene and it seems closer to that then Stick/MIG
This was only thin wall stuff like 4130 however..
 

stingry

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 14, 2006
Messages
732
Location
Western Nebraska
MIG is easier for everyone. If the machine is set right, it's like a hot glue gun for steel, it's that easy.

Well, NOT everyone (see post directly above yours)!! I agree with you, welding with a properly set-up MIG is extremely easy to do and will weld from sheetmetal to thicker stock (depending on the size of the machine) plus weld aluminum either with a spoolgun or special feed tube liner and feed rolls. Last I checked, you cannot do that with a SMAW (stick) welder.

Cheers
Steve
 

Bookworm

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 13, 2010
Messages
149
Location
Where the wind comes sweeping down the plain
Well, NOT everyone (see post directly above yours)!! I agree with you, welding with a properly set-up MIG is extremely easy to do and will weld from sheetmetal to thicker stock (depending on the size of the machine) plus weld aluminum either with a spoolgun or special feed tube liner and feed rolls. Last I checked, you cannot do that with a SMAW (stick) welder.

Cheers
Steve

Welding aluminum can most certainly be done with a stick welder. About 15 years ago my Freightliner cracked an air-spring seat in the rear suspension. I took it to a local welder, he fired up his Lincoln and welded up the ALUMINUM seat no problem. Used aluminum rod, and used it quickly. I drove that truck another several years with no further troubles.
 

stingry

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 14, 2006
Messages
732
Location
Western Nebraska
Welding aluminum can most certainly be done with a stick welder. About 15 years ago my Freightliner cracked an air-spring seat in the rear suspension. I took it to a local welder, he fired up his Lincoln and welded up the ALUMINUM seat no problem. Used aluminum rod, and used it quickly. I drove that truck another several years with no further troubles.

I stand corrected although I would be willing to bet that is a skill that came after many years of welding.

Cheers
Steve
 

KinzeMech

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 15, 2012
Messages
1,164
Well, NOT everyone (see post directly above yours)!! I agree with you, welding with a properly set-up MIG is extremely easy to do

That was post overlap. I was already composing my post when he posted that, I didn't see it until afterward.

I can only think of two cases in which MIG is harder, outside fighting the wind, or welding very dirty material (which at this point, you've abandoned hope of doing it right anyway). Outside of those two cases, when can MIG be harder?

If it's the right kind of wire and gas for the application, the gas flow, wire feed, and heat is set right (easy as reading the chart), it's as easy as a hot glue gun.
 

KinzeMech

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 15, 2012
Messages
1,164
Welding aluminum can most certainly be done with a stick welder. About 15 years ago my Freightliner cracked an air-spring seat in the rear suspension. I took it to a local welder, he fired up his Lincoln and welded up the ALUMINUM seat no problem. Used aluminum rod, and used it quickly. I drove that truck another several years with no further troubles.

I think you had an encounter with a remarkably talented welder. That kind of skill is not common.
 

48windsor

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 24, 2013
Messages
407
Location
Olympia ,Wa.
lots of good advice . I would like to add hotter doesnt make it better . A weldment should be stronger than parent metal, if done properly. The CC is great advice . you must train your eyes to watch the molten puddle. Than be sure that when welding you move Electrode so as to kiss both metals and waqlk the puddle between the trwo. Should look like dimes stacked up when you are done not bird droppings
Good luck I hope I helped. I was certifed Structural steel
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

justanengineer

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 5, 2011
Messages
7,722
Location
Motor City
I can only think of two cases in which MIG is harder, outside fighting the wind, or welding very dirty material (which at this point, you've abandoned hope of doing it right anyway). Outside of those two cases, when can MIG be harder?

If it's the right kind of wire and gas for the application, the gas flow, wire feed, and heat is set right (easy as reading the chart), it's as easy as a hot glue gun.

Id disagree. MIG is simple from the standpoint of "point and shoot," but its extremely difficult to get a high quality weld simply bc you have a serious lack of control. In most setups, the heat and filler feed cant be adjusted while welding, whereas with stick you can manipulate the rod to give yourself a bit more flexibility and control. I too made the mistake of thinking MIG was simple, then I took a formal program like many others, it was gas, stick, tig, and mig last, and in which I spent a few hundred hours welding, cutting, dye-penetrating, x-raying, and deforming welds....MIG was by far the hardest to get real quality with. The joke about the "blue glue gun" pretty much reflects that - its mocking MIG as Ive always heard it.
 

Glenn M.

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 8, 2012
Messages
3,180
Location
VA/ SWFL
Don't know if anyone mentioned it, but if you haven't bought a helmet yet, spring the bucks for one with an auto-darkening lens. I'm sure this will bring howls of discontent from the helmet Nazis, but I have a couple that I bought very cheap from HF, and like them fine. I use them with a 40 year old Lincoln AC-225, and a Miller Mig as well...
 

KinzeMech

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 15, 2012
Messages
1,164
Id disagree. MIG is simple from the standpoint of "point and shoot," but its extremely difficult to get a high quality weld simply bc you have a serious lack of control. In most setups, the heat and filler feed cant be adjusted while welding, whereas with stick you can manipulate the rod to give yourself a bit more flexibility and control. I too made the mistake of thinking MIG was simple, then I took a formal program like many others, it was gas, stick, tig, and mig last, and in which I spent a few hundred hours welding, cutting, dye-penetrating, x-raying, and deforming welds....MIG was by far the hardest to get real quality with. The joke about the "blue glue gun" pretty much reflects that - its mocking MIG as Ive always heard it.

That's true, but it cuts both ways. The fact that feed and heat are set at the machine means if you set it correctly at the machine, you've eliminated the possibility of the operator deviating from the correct feed and heat. The variability afforded with stick can decrease the quality of the weld just as easily as increase it, it all depends on the skill of the welder at that point. In my experience, it is only the above average talent welders that can produce a benefit from the things you mentioned.

I'm not disputing your points. They're all good, and correct. I'm just offering another, equally valid, point of view.
 

KinzeMech

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 15, 2012
Messages
1,164
Don't know if anyone mentioned it, but if you haven't bought a helmet yet, spring the bucks for one with an auto-darkening lens. I'm sure this will bring howls of discontent from the helmet Nazis, but I have a couple that I bought very cheap from HF, and like them fine. I use them with a 40 year old Lincoln AC-225, and a Miller Mig as well...

Me too. I have wondered about using a cheap hat for vision protection, but it does meet ANSI specs, I've never felt I've been flashed, and on average I probably only weld 15-20 minutes a week.

If I welded all day every day, I'd have the best helmet my money could buy.
 

pepi

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 27, 2013
Messages
2,883
Location
Woodstock, GA
I guess if you run a test weld on similar material you can dial in the MIG machine to do the job correctly. Dose a MIG machine give a novice a false impression as to ease of good welding? YES, pull the trigger and make sparks just like TV but anyone using a new tool has a learning curve to experience. A wise man analyzes a process and finds that sweet spot.

MIG welding second class welding, consider this ever seen a robot stick welder, seen many robot MIG working pipe to Nuclear equipment.. So with that in mind the lame statement "blue glue gun" is SHOT right out of the water. You know only the home and small shops MIG, Caterpillar comes to mind, steam turbines is another.

"I was certifed Structural steel" what does that mean ..... NOTHING read a book passed a test, show me your welding.

Cheers,
Greg
 

bran1har

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 12, 2012
Messages
118
Location
CT
get some thick scrap. It is easier to learn with thicker metal like 3/16. Stick welders arent really too good for sheet metal. I will be honest though, unless you are welding thick stuff, stick welding is not going to be nearly as relevant as mig. Maybe you want to pick up a real cheap $80 one from harbor freight. You cna use mig for thinner stuff like sheet metal and you can do body work with it. That is how I learned. I used stick at first, and then got bored, and wanted to do some body work and got the $80 mig. I have since then upgraded. I have never had any lessons and just kinda fiddled around a lot with it and just figured it out. I can not think of anything you could do that would make you blow up so don't worry about that. Just be safe and use a mask. Get an auto darkening one from harbor freight, they are like $30. I frustrated myself with a non auto darkening one at first and will never go back to the other kind of mask.
 
OP
C

Chaznsc

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 9, 2013
Messages
6,526
Location
SC
Just a quick update. Im halfway through my course. Having a lot of fun and learned a lot so far. I really like the mig welding best. Cant wait till Saturday's class.

Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk
 

Punchwood

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 7, 2013
Messages
332
Location
Western NY
Wise choice. If for nothing else than the safety factor. Plus, in most cases, you're being taught by someone who knows what they're doing. I'm a CWI and just joined the site not too long ago. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. What's your instructor's background?
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom