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Madman68

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Hello All,

I Just finished welding a new 2" ball coupler on my trailer. I used a Lincoln SP 135T 110 Mig welder with .025 wire and 25/75 gas, settings turned all the way up, and tried to go slow. The tongue on this trailer is 2.5"square / .125 wall. I welded along all edges and also plug welded the optional bolt holes. I ground down the plug welds a bit, and just buzzed over the rest of it with a scotch brite pad. Does this seem to be sufficient strength, or should I redo with larger welder or bolt on? Any thoughts or advice are welcome.

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That's how I do mine.

It soundsike you are not confident in your welds. I would have added 2 bolts in the cross wise holes and called it good.
 

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In real life, your welds will probably hold, at least for a while. But, they don't have good penetration and I would add bolts as others have said.
 

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Weld profile looks to be a bit cold. The toes aren't wet in as well as I like to see. They would probably hold but just to be on the safe side, I would drill and install a couple of bolts through the tongue and coupler assembly.

Also, I see that you are a new member. Welcome to the forum.

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Like everyone has said the welds are a bit cold. .025 wire is kind of small to be doing this kind of welding with. It is geared more toward sheet metal work to prevent blowout. .035 wire would be the go to size for heavier welding. Your 135 110 machine is right on the edge of "too small" also.
If you went back over the welds and wet the lower edge into the tongue you would add some strength to the weld.
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Thanks for all the response guys, you are confirming what I suspected. I will drill and add a couple 1/2" diameter, grade 8 bolts and feel much better that it won't come unglued going down the highway.
 

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I can appreciate the do it yourself attitude and that you asked for feedback. I think you did a good job on even travel speed and keeping the weld on the joint. And you have probably put that 110 machine to the limit of its capabilities. But, what you have done there is simply lay hot bead on top of the joint without adequate fusion. I advise you learn to recognize basic discontinuities of a weld, their causes, and solutions before you tackle a project like that again.
 

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The trick with those 110V machines is to use .035" and move really slow. I've owned a 125, 135, and now a 140, and have used all of them to build winch mounts out of 1/4" with a lot of prep work. They will burn through .120" on the highest setting pretty easily, so you aren't trying to use it beyond its abilities unless you are trying to weld for more than 2 minutes straight without a break.

Personally, I think the 110v machines run a lot better and have a lot more utility running flux core. My 250A machine doesn't go out in to the gravel yard, and I can't weld with gas out there in the wind. A little portable machine that fits in the trunk of a car and doesn't need a bottle or care about the breeze is perfect for fixing a fence or trailer or getting something mobile enough to bring it in the shop.
 
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The trick with those 110V machines is to use .035" and move really slow. I've owned a 125, 135, and now a 140, and have used all of them to build winch mounts out of 1/4" with a lot of prep work. They will burn through .120" on the highest setting pretty easily, so you aren't trying to use it beyond its abilities unless you are trying to weld for more than 2 minutes straight without a break.

Personally, I think the 110v machines run a lot better and have a lot more utility running flux core. My 250A machine doesn't go out in to the gravel yard, and I can't weld with gas out there in the wind. A little portable machine that fits in the trunk of a car and doesn't need a bottle or care about the breeze is perfect for fixing a fence or trailer or getting something mobile enough to bring it in the shop.

Amen to that. .030 FC is really good on these machines. If you need to do 1/4" use the .035 I welded a roll cage that way. I sent in some samples that I did as I was going along. All came back with good penetration. And, it seems like less splatter if you hold a tight arc. I like about a 1/4" stick out.
 

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I like keeping my 110 at .30 wire. I was at my brother's Saturday using his 110 with .25 to weld in some light duty hooks on his trailer and I had to go pretty slow for good heat penetration and a nice width bead.
 

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Those welds are only holding a slip joint. They will be fine for that. Just the top weld would have been sufficient. Put a bolt in if you feel that will make it safer.

That's not a slip joint. The coupler slides over the top and sides of the tongue's tubing only. The bottom of the coupler the OP welded on is open.

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As other said add some bolts. When its comes to trailers saying "good enough, She'll hold" isn't acceptable you need to make full penetration welds. But I wouldn't bother with GR.8 bolts, GR.5 is more the sufficient for your trailer. Heck the adjustable coupler I welded onto my dump trailer i built came with GR.5 bolts and the coupler is rated at 14K lbs gross with 2100 lbs tongue weight.
 

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If it was me I think I would knock the welds down a little and go over them.
You need to crank the amps and the feed up a bit and fan you weld bead out.
Use more of a zig zag motion that you were doing and let the weld bite into the metal more.
For safety sake add the bolts as backups but I am glad you also did the plug welds.
If you have 030 wire that would be a better choice

Odds are it will hold just fine but there are lots of stresses involved as you are bouncing down the street and it is better to be safe than sorry

Bob
 

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Funny, I don't see that flange, but I'll take your word for it.

The flange isn't there, but you can see the welds at the bottom of the coupler in the third photo of the OP, and they aren't as low as the bottom of the tube. The coupler is on the right hand side of that photo.
 
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Thanks for all the info. I do have another question though. Will I get more penetration with .035 Flux Core wire than I will using .035 solid wire with 75/25 gas? If so, why? If I were to do this over from scratch, I think I would use .035 wire of one type or another, and maybe preheat the area with a propane torch first. For this project, I think it makes more sense to just add the bolts at this point, but I plan on practicing with the .035 wire and pre heating on some scrap pieces of 11 ga steel.
 

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Flux core wire burns hotter then solid MIG wire. 0.35" FC wire should not need pre heat on 0.125" material, you just need to practice your puddle manipulation. One thing about FC wire is its not as strong as bare wire MIG in shock load.
 

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The flange isn't there, but you can see the welds at the bottom of the coupler in the third photo of the OP, and they aren't as low as the bottom of the tube. The coupler is on the right hand side of that photo.

OK, well a 3 sided clamshell might not be a full slip joint but I'll wager that no amount of pressure will break those welds before the tongue bends. Nevertheless I will agree that a couple of through bolts is probably and good idea for insurance.

If I was the one that welded that I would have not filled the bolt holes with a patch. Rather I would have used those for large plug welds.
 

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If I was the one that welded that I would have not filled the bolt holes with a patch. Rather I would have used those for large plug welds.

From the OP's original post....
" I welded along all edges and also plug welded the optional bolt holes."
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The SP135T is a nice machine.

But trying to weld 1/8" steel with GMAW and C25 gas and 0.025" wire is exceeding the 'power' available that the machine can supply. No Good.

Using some 0.03 5 NR-211MP FCAW wire, you can weld some 1/4" thick steel.

With GMAW and either 0.025" or 0.030" solid steel wire (and either C25 or 100% CO2 shielding gas), the machine is rated (by Lincoln) for welding up to 14 gauge steel (0.075" thick steel).

Page B-7 of the manual or the parameter door chart.

That machine doesn't really have the output power to run 0.035" solid wire in GMAW.

Your welds are NOT adequate.

Grind down those welds and :

- reweld with either a 240V machine and the 'correct' weld parameters for GMAW on 1/8" + thick steel (you'd probably need to run a bit past the 'correct' parameters for 1/8" steel to have enough power to adequately melt and fuse the thicker than 1/8" steel on the coupler, and then 'wash' the molten weld bead puddle from the thicker steel of the coupler onto the thinner steel of the trailer tongue)

- or reweld with your SP135T and some 0.035" NR211-MP FCAW wire (FCAW typically runs 'hotter' than short circuit transfer mode GMAW, hence the same machine can adequately weld thicker material with FCAW than with short circuit transfer mode GMAW).

Or leave your welds as is and bolt the coupler to the trailer tongue.

btw, if you ever have to do a plug/rosette weld on a 'larger' diameter hole (like you had on that coupler for the bolt holes), you don't have to completely fill the hole diameter with weld. All you have to weld is the 'seam' at the hole diameter.

Umm, did you make that trailer? And weld it with your SP135T with GMAW?

If so, see above about GMAW workpiece thickness 'limits' with that machine.

Look at Picture #3 and the vertical welds from the trailer's angle 'braces' to the tongue. Those welds look rather poorly done.

When welding, always watch the puddle of molten metal and ensure that you are achieving adequate fusion (melting) into the workpieces.

With wire-feed welders, getting the wire electrode to melt is easy. What you have to work at is making sure you are adequately melting the workpieces so that the weld bead is actually joining everything together. And not just melting some wire electrode that is just sitting on top of the workpieces and not actually melting into them.

Short circuit transfer mode GMAW is notorious for making a weld bead that is just sitting on top of the workpieces with lack of fusion aka lack of penetration aka cold lap aka inadequate welds.

Read up on welding at the Miller or Lincoln or ESAB websites (among many other 'good' welding websites). And practice, practice, practice.

http://www.esabna.com/us/en/education/esab_university.cfm

Especially

the MIG section

http://www.esabna.com/euweb/mig_handbook/592mig1_1.htm

Or

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/support/ask-the-experts/Pages/ask-the-experts.aspx

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/support/process-and-theory/Pages/process-and-theory.aspx

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/support/process-and-theory/Pages/mig-vs-flux-cored-detail.aspx

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-u...heory/Pages/mig-problems-remedies-detail.aspx

especially the section that says

3. Lack of Fusion
If the consumable has improperly adhered to the base metal, a lack of fusion may occur. Improper fusion creates a weak, low quality weld and may ultimately lead to structural problems in the finished product.


Lack of Fusion Problem: Cold Lapping in the Short Arc Transfer Process

In short arc transfer, the wire directly touches the weld pool and a short circuit in the system causes the end of the wire to melt and detach a droplet. This shorting happens 40 to 200 times per second. Fusion problems may occur when the metal in the weld pool is melted, but there is not enough energy left to fuse it to the base plate. In these cases, the weld will have a good appearance, but none of the metal has actually been joined together. Since lack of fusion is difficult to detect visually, it must be checked by dye-penetrant, ultrasonic or bend testing.

(emphasis added by me)

Remedies
To guarantee correct fusion, ensure that voltage and amperage are set correctly. If the operator is still having problems after making those adjustments, it may require a change in the welding technique. For example, changing to a flux-cored wire or using the spray arc transfer method instead. In spray arc transfer, the arc never goes out so cold lapping and lack of fusion are not issues. Spray arc welding takes place at amperages high enough to melt the end of the wire and propel the droplet across the arc into the weld puddle.

Your SP135 is not going to even let you do spray transfer mode GMAW, so that option isn't even available for you. FCAW or using a welder with more available power/amps/heat (a 240V machine, for instance) are your choices.

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-u...-theory/Pages/video-gmaw-troubleshooting.aspx

https://www.millerwelds.com/resources/weld-setting-calculators

Go to the MIG weld calculator and put in "steel" and 1/8" thick workpiece

https://www.millerwelds.com/resources/weld-setting-calculators/mig-solid-core-welding-calculator

Suggested parameters for short circuit transfer mode GMAW on 1/8" thick steel are 0.035" solid wire (which your SP135T can NOT run, not enough power output to really run that diameter solid wire) and 140-150 amps output. Just a little bit past what the SP135T can supply, even if it could run 0.035" solid wire (which it can't).

The thickest steel workpiece that the Miller GMAW weld calculator suggests when using 0.030" solid wire is 14 gauge (which pretty much matches the SP135T manual and door chart weld parameter recommendations, imagine that :D ).

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Those plug welds alone are sufficient for that coupler.
The whole debate over the rest of the welds are for purely cosmetic purposes

Cross bolts have been suggested [a good idea] but not necessary
Instead of investing time into drilling holes ,why don't you invest time into grinding out that weld on the top of the tongue and re-doing it [that weld is visual]

Get some scrap steel of similar gauge and practice on it to get the settings correct, then have a go at it again.

Try and improve your skills every time you pick up the gun.
Nothing improves yours skills more than having to re-do them over.

As mentioned before "try and control the puddle"

If you do nothing , it will still be OK [just not pretty]
 

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I had to do some heavy welds with a light duty miller ( 110 ), I pre-heated the metal with a torch 1st and was able to get a good bite on it afterwards.

Practise your vertical downs where you start with the puddle at the top and work it down,

I try to feather the 2 surfaces together, in an application like yours a good bond is crucial.

This is the hitch I just finished up on my 4 x 8. I burned it in with a tig.

Keep plugging away, you will get it.
 

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Thanks everyone for your input, looks like I have some reading and practicing to do. Like I said before, at this point for the coupler I think it makes the most sense to grind the plug welds on the sides flush, drill 1/2" holes, and bolt it up. My original thought was that it would be cleaner to weld it all, but I guess I just did not realize at that point that my welder is a bit on the small side for that task, unless I go with .035 FC wire.

This is a trailer I aquired from My Uncle, and have had it for about 6 years. It originally had wood sides, deck, and once the deck rotted out, I decided to skin it with sheet metal, then put a fresh pressure treated deck in it, along with new spring shackles and bushings, and a new coupler to replace the old 1 7/8" coupler.

The original welds on this trailer look to be stick welds, and a lot of them are not pretty, but counting the years my Uncle had it, the trailer has got to be at least 20 years old, and has hauled many chords of fire wood with no issues. Most of the welding I have done on this has been to just attach the new sheet metal sides to the frame, so the only structurally critical thing I have altered is welding the coupler, which I think will be fine once it is bolted on.

I always feel like you have to try things and not be afraid to make mistakes to learn, and this has been a great learning experience. Once again thanks for all the response and info. I will definately be getting some flux core .035 wire, reading up a bit, and practicing on some scrap, and then maybe grind and touch up some of the less critical thicker stuff on the trailer.
 

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Since everyone else has covered the welding part of this I will throw my .02 cents in on welding the coupler in the first place.

I can not count the number of couplers I have had to cut off trailers for people over the years, at first I would weld the new coupler on but after awhile I started to drill and bolt the new couplers on.

Even on my own trailers I now bolt them on, people just don't take care of couplers and they get damaged often, there is one guy I have replaced his coupler at least 5 times due to being abused.
 

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135A is plenty for 1/8" steel, what i'm seeing is too much wire speed and too fast a pace. you have to "burn it in" and if you're not seeing the puddle in the root of your joint, you need more practice. slow down, watch the puddle not the arc and work on your "eeee" or overlapping hot "cccc"s as you run a bead.

you can do ALOT with a 110v welder, i routinely welded 3/16" material with mine for 20yrs before buying a bigger welder and never had a weld failure. run .030 max wire, turn the gas down and run slower, overlapping welds to make up for the smaller diameter wire.
 
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...Practise your vertical downs where you start with the puddle at the top and work it down....This is the hitch I just finished up on my 4 x 8. I burned it in with a tig....

with a small 110v welder i wouldn't run a vertical down.....run them up, overlap your weld puddle as you move upward. edit: and dont stop at the corners, run over the corner before repositioning to run the horizontals.

and your pic only shows about a 2" weld from 5' away....? :wtf:
 
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The SP135T is a nice machine.....

wow. i was going to just drop a comment on this thread and move on, but there is just SO MUCH disinformation on this thread. not least of all, your reply. just wow. :confused:

you seem to have read alot on this process. but do you have any practical experience welding? because you sound like an inexperienced "web expert" in your reply. :headscrat

if a 135A machine isn't sufficent, how many amps will a 240A machine require to burn in 1/8" (.125) steel? i'll give you a hint, around 100A.... :wtf:
 
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135A is plenty for 1/8" steel, what i'm seeing is too much wire speed and too fast a pace. you have to "burn it in" and if you're not seeing the puddle in the root of your joint, you need more practice. slow down, watch the puddle not the arc and work on your "eeee" or overlapping hot "cccc"s as you run a bead.

you can do ALOT with a 110v welder, i routinely welded 3/16" material with mine for 20yrs before buying a bigger welder and never had a weld failure. run .030 max wire, turn the gas down and run slower, overlapping welds to make up for the smaller diameter wire.

Pretty much the advice I would give...welded for a living for 17+ years, manufacturing engineer for 6 years, trained welders, wrote procedure books, managed manufacturing facilities for large companies (1st ops, machine, fab, weld, blast, paint, assy, shipping, maint. etc) Been in metal manufacturing in one form or another for 25 years.

This guy here has some good tutorials. I'm not affiliated with him or even know him but good videos.
http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/mig-welding-basics.html
 

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you seem to have read alot on this process. but do you have any practical experience welding? because you sound like an inexperienced "web expert" in your reply. :headscrat

if a 135A machine isn't sufficent, how many amps will a 240A machine require to burn in 1/8" (.125) steel? i'll give you a hint, around 100A.... :wtf:

Indeed, an internet expert. If he had spent as much time welding as he had composing his post, he would know something. :thumbup:
 

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wow. i was going to just drop a comment on this thread and move on, but there is just SO MUCH disinformation on this thread. not least of all, your reply. just wow. :confused:

you seem to have read alot on this process. but do you have any practical experience welding? because you sound like an inexperienced "web expert" in your reply. :headscrat

if a 135A machine isn't sufficent, how many amps will a 240A machine require to burn in 1/8" (.125) steel? i'll give you a hint, around 100A.... :wtf:

disclaimer and 'apology': :beer:

since I got my 240V SP175+, that really is my go-to wire feed welder at home. I had to go back in time (old posts and some pictures, etc to refresh my memory) and find/remember using the 120V Lincoln wire feed welder (still have it, haven't used it in a long while). Gauge thickness steel with GMAW and C25 and the 120V Lincoln, just fine. Moving up to 1/8" thick steel and that 120V Lincoln and GMAW, depending on joint configuration and prep, the weld penetration started to get iffy. Doable, but iffy. FCAW using NR-211MP and the 120V Lincoln, plenty of weld output power/heat to melt right through 1/8" steel and could run up to maybe 1/4" thick steel with the FCAW wire and not having to do any 'major' joint prep.

... continue of posting ...


Yeah, I sometimes use a welder. :beer: Not everyday though.

Had to weld up something recently. Used some 1/8" thick angle iron (welded on some 1/8" plate to turn it into a sort of 'tube') and some 5/16" bolts and nuts (plug welded a nut onto the end of the bolt to act like the 'pad' on a C-clamp). Used a 240V Lincoln SP175+ and 0.030 Lincoln L-56 wire with C25 gas though. Plenty of power for the job. :beer:

Yup, the welding rule-of-thumb for steel is 1 amp per thou of workpiece thickness. So to weld some 1/8" steel would 'need' about 125 amps, give or take a bit.

Do I have an SP135T? Nope. But I have a Lincoln 'cousin' (very similar 120V input machine, but it's the continuous voltage model and not the tapped voltage model). It is not really 'adequate' in power output to quite get good penetration on 1/8" steel using C25 and solid 0.030 wire. Which matches up with the Lincoln manual and the door chart weld parameter recommendations.

Nice machine(s) up to about 14 gauge for GMAW. Not quite enough snot for reliable consistent GMAW welds on 1/8" thick steel (and his coupler was probably a bit thicker than 1/8", so he'd need a bit more oomph to get a good weld puddle established on the thicker workpiece and then wash the puddle over onto the 1/8" thick trailer tongue).

Those 120V Lincoln machine(s) have enough power to burn right through 1/8" steel and make 'decent' welds (adequate penetration) up to about 1/4" (or maybe 5/16", depending on the exact model of the machine as Lincoln did slightly increase the power output a little bit over the years) when using some 0.035" NR-211MP FCAW wire. BTDT. And turned the machine down from 'fry' to just 'stun' when doing FCAW on 1/8" steel.

But the 'name brand' 240V machines of 175 amp output or greater (Lincoln, Miller, ESAB, etc, but not some of the really crappy 'import' low end 240V machines, which seem to be so inefficient that even with 240V input power they barely have any more weld output power than 'decent' 120V machines. Yuck.) usually have plenty of power to do short circuit transfer mode GMAW on 1/8" steel. Or slightly thicker than that. :D

Yeah, one could use some preheat, some bevel prep, and/or some really good puddle manipulation to make sure to get good weld penetration on a 1/8" steel lap joint. But you sort of have to know what you are doing and watch that puddle well to make sure you are melting into that flat 'plate' underneath and not just melting that easy exposed top edge of the upper workpiece and not getting penetration into the workpiece underneath.

If I'm trying to 1/8" or thicker steel with short circuit transfer mode GMAW, I'm reaching for the 240V welder and not the 120V welder. For 'gauge' thickness steel, most of the 120V machines with GMAW are 'enough' machine (keeping in mind duty cycle and such).

Of course, once I got the 240V SP175+, that really is my go-to wire feed welder.

For 'thicker' stuff, out comes the stick welder and some 6010 Lincoln 5P+ or some Lincoln Excalibur 7018.

Based on the OP's few pictures of his coupler welds, they look a bit cold and inconsistent to me (from a few pics, over the Net, etc). Not the worst welds I've ever seen (posted or IRL), but not quite looking 'good'. The rosette/plug welds looked like I could still easily see the 'edge' of the original bolt holes on the coupler, which means that there wasn't adequate fusion/penetration into the 'top' metal (the coupler), never mind fusion into the underlying metal of the trailer tongue.

For a 'critical' weld (and a weld that is supposed to be holding a trailer or trailer parts together is indeed a 'critical' weld in my book), I really-really don't think anything that doesn't look 100% good is quite 'good enough'.

Would it hold? Maybe. But I wouldn't want to be behind that trailer going down the road, or the OP pulling that trailer down the road if the welds don't inspire 100% confidence.

Those welds, done with 0.023" wire and GMAW with a 120V machine, do NOT seem adequate or inspire 100% confidence.

Lincoln says the SP135T is not quite enough machine for welding 1/8" thick steel (manual and the door chart) with GMAW. Plenty of machine if using 0.035" NR-211MP FCAW wire though.

And the OP's trailer coupler was probably a little bit thicker than 1/8".

with a small 110v welder i wouldn't run a vertical down.....run them up, overlap your weld puddle as you move upward. edit: and dont stop at the corners, run over the corner before repositioning to run the horizontals.


And vintagespeed, I 100% agree with you about NOT running vertical down here (vert down usually means faster travel speed and LESS penetration, the complete opposite of what the OP would need here), as well as the reminder to not leave a start/stop right on the corners (run the dang weld bead around the corners, don't leave a start/stop or crater right there on the corner where tons of stress concentration factors are already happening just from the geometry). :beer:

Regarding the weldingtipsandtricks website, go right here:

http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/mig-welding-procedures.html

and read the part where he says:

Why use even use mig welding procedures? All I gotta do is crank it up until you hear bacon frying.,,, Then I just weld the dog piss out of it.

Please!


Ever heard that kind of argument? It even works sometimes….but sometimes it does not work. and That’s a problem..




Why? Because mig welding is more likely to have lack of fusion than any other process. Short circuit mig welding that is.

And further down the page:

So what is it about short circuit mig that makes it so susceptible to getting lack of fusion and cold lap? I think one reason is because there are no built in limits to the mig process. Wire speed and voltage can be set extremely low and the machine will still run a bead.

Pretty much what I said in my earlier post.

Also see his nice cross section picture on that page of a T-joint fillet weld with inadequate fusion or penetration.

And THAT is what I'm concerned about here. Classic short circuit transfer mode GMAW welds with inadequate fusion aka inadequate penetration aka cold lap aka NoGood. The weld 'looks' OK from the top (sort of, the toes sort of give it away if you look carefully and know what you are looking for and at), but no real fusion or penetration when the weld is cross sectioned.

To the OP, bolt on the coupler and be done with it.

Just like thumber68 said:

I can not count the number of couplers I have had to cut off trailers for people over the years, at first I would weld the new coupler on but after awhile I started to drill and bolt the new couplers on.

Even on my own trailers I now bolt them on, people just don't take care of couplers and they get damaged often, there is one guy I have replaced his coupler at least 5 times due to being abused.

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vintagespeed1956

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disclaimer and 'apology': :beer:...:

well i certainly appreciate your response and clarification. :beer:

i'm not a professional welder, but i've welded alot and for many years. and have welded with "inadequate" machines as far as aerospace-spec or production welding specifications goes.

but what the OP is welding isn't the space shuttle and 1/8" is pretty light weight tube. in my experience, his machine is plenty capable of sufficiently joining that material thickness with proper technique and prep.

i dont like to see half-assed welding and i dont like to see bird **** holding critical components together, like a trailer hitch. anyone can learn with practice, some criticism and direction, and the intention to do the job properly.

for an example, this is 3/16" plate on 1/4" tube, no pre-heat, no unusual prep and welded with a smaller machine that the OPs. no failures, under extreme use.

the paint makes some weird shiny spots:
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bugdust

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Don't make me scrounge around for some 1/8" material and dust off my little Hobart Handler 140 to show that it will weld 1/8" material just fine. :thumbup:

You want me to try to etch it or bend it just to satisfy you? :lol:
 
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