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I need to weld some fairly thick (for me) mild steel. !/4" thick to 3/8th thick. My Lincoln AC/DC Tombstone has a 20% duty cycle. When I let the welder rest between welds, do I keep it turned on so the fan will blow? Or? Any tips will be welcome.
 
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I need to weld some fairly thick (for me) mild steel. !/4" thick to 3/8th thick. My Lincoln AC/DC Tombstone has a 20% duty cycle. When I let the welder rest between welds, do I keep it turned on so the fan will blow? Or? Any tips will be welcome.
I haven't used one of those in a very very long time, but I would leave it on to cool between cycles. I would just be mindful of how long I kept the arc going.
 
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I'll time how long it takes to burn half a rod of 1/8th inch 6013 and use that to determine how long to rest the machine.
 

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I need to weld some fairly thick (for me) mild steel. !/4" thick to 3/8th thick. My Lincoln AC/DC Tombstone has a 20% duty cycle. When I let the welder rest between welds, do I keep it turned on so the fan will blow? Or? Any tips will be welcome.
I'll time how long it takes to burn half a rod of 1/8th inch 6013
As said, leave it on.
I've had one for ~40 years and can't remember ever hitting the duty cycle. I weld 1/4, 3/8 and even 1/2 (Several passes)

You've DC, why are you not using 6010 for the root pass? 7018 for the cover pass.
Not if you only have 6013, that will work.
Remember to clean.
Also return with pictures!
 

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I have had one for 38 years. I never really paid attention to duty cycle, but probably exceeded it many times. As long as You do not continuously burn rods without stopping, You should be ok.
 
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I've had the arc decrease in strength when welding for awhile. I always assumed I'd reached the end of the duty cycle.
 

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The AC/DC 225 does not have overload protection on the AC side of things as far as I can see. However, It does have a circuit breaker for the DC rectifier, so it should trip out if you exceed the DC duty cycle.
 

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You're not going to have an issue with the duty cycle running 1/8" electrodes on a tombstone.

If anything, you'll tax the breaker and circuit before you have any issues with the welder.

Remember, duty cycle is rated output at MAX amperage. You are probably running about half capacity for an 1/8" electrode, and it only takes a minute or so to run a full electrode.
 

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The original tombstone welders were made with solid copper windings, they didn’t have a fan to cool the transformer. They still had a 20 percent duty cycle. The new tombstone welders use aluminum wire windings, that’s why they need a fan to cool the aluminum wire down. My grandfather had an original tombstone. Very fine welder!
 
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I don't know how old this Tombstone is. I bought it used after my brand new Lincoln AC/DC was stolen from the job site I was on. I'm not a professional welder, but I was fabricating 53 vintage steel-frame casement windows from a thousand pounds or so of old casement windows we'd bought. The home owners were friends of mine.
 

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I don't know how old this Tombstone is. I bought it used after my brand new Lincoln AC/DC was stolen from the job site I was on. I'm not a professional welder, but I was fabricating 53 vintage steel-frame casement windows from a thousand pounds or so of old casement windows we'd bought. The home owners were friends of mine.
Post some pictures, we love seeing old welders that are still operating. I was driving down the road on my way home and passed a person moving a Lincoln tombstone to the curb for garbage pickup. I wheeled around in my truck to talk to the home owner. The story was their kid cut the leads and power cord off for scrap to buy pot to get high. I told the home owner I’ll take it off his hands. I had some extra leads laying around form my welder, and 10 feet of #8 wire for a power cord. The damn thing worked perfectly. I gave it to my cousin so he stops bugging me to do welding jobs on his farm.
 
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I need to weld some fairly thick (for me) mild steel. !/4" thick to 3/8th thick. My Lincoln AC/DC Tombstone has a 20% duty cycle. When I let the welder rest between welds, do I keep it turned on so the fan will blow? Or? Any tips will be welcome.
Good advice from the others.
I just want to add:
Duty cycle has to do with two factors.
One is time and the other is amp setting.
At 100% amp setting you can weld 20% of the time.
But at 50% amp setting you can weld a lot longer.
I'm assuming on 1/4 or 3/8 steel you'll be burning 1/8" rod which means about half of your amp setting.
So as the others have said, don't worry about your duty cycle.
 

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Good advice from the others.
I just want to add:
Duty cycle has to do with two factors.
One is time and the other is amp setting.
At 100% amp setting you can weld 20% of the time.
But at 50% amp setting you can weld a lot longer.
I'm assuming on 1/4 or 3/8 steel you'll be burning 1/8" rod which means about half of your amp setting.
So as the others have said, don't worry about your duty cycle.
For this machine, the polarity type of current to be used is a big factor. The AC/DC 225 is rated 20% duty cycle at 225 amps/25 volts for AC, and 20% duty cycle at 125 amps/25 volts for DC. Using 1/8" E6013 rods the recommended amps are 110-140 on AC or 100-135 on DC. So if you run these rods on AC the amp range will allow the duty cycle to be much higher than 20%. If you run these rods on DC, the amp range is close to the maximum rating for DC and should not exceed 20% to protect the machine.

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I could be wrong, but the duty cycle rating is probably at max amps too.
Yeah, or 80% - the manual should have a graph to clarify this.

Not sure why you're using 6013 on small plate - that's for making horseshoe flowers, not work.

6010/11 - my go-to. out of position, root passes, rusty farm stuff, etc
7018/AC - I'm not an iron worker, but that's what they use
7024 - cap or for in position/flat work

I have an AC tombstone (it was my grandpa's) and grew up with my dad's AC thunderbolt. I have the leads to run DC stick on my Syncrowave, but I've never bothered. There's something therapeutic about running stick on heavy steel, I think I'm going to weld some bucket hooks on this week and I'll dig out the stick welder. 6011 job all day long, might cap it with the gorgeous 7024.
 

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Yeah, or 80% - the manual should have a graph to clarify this.

Not sure why you're using 6013 on small plate - that's for making horseshoe flowers, not work.

6010/11 - my go-to. out of position, root passes, rusty farm stuff, etc
7018/AC - I'm not an iron worker, but that's what they use
7024 - cap or for in position/flat work

I have an AC tombstone (it was my grandpa's) and grew up with my dad's AC thunderbolt. I have the leads to run DC stick on my Syncrowave, but I've never bothered. There's something therapeutic about running stick on heavy steel, I think I'm going to weld some bucket hooks on this week and I'll dig out the stick welder. 6011 job all day long, might cap it with the gorgeous 7024.
The British use 6013 for pipe welding. My brother in law bent the hitch on his farm plow, a new frame was $7000.00. I cut the frame in two places, beveled the ends and welded in new 3/8 square tubing with 6013. All he had was a Miller Dilarc 250 AC. with 6011 and 6013. The root pass was 6011, fill and cap were 6013. It’s been over 10 years and the frame has held. For home and farm use AC welders with 6011/6013 shouldn’t be underestimated. For general use non xray welds, and farm use, an AC welder should be fine. 7018 is required for pipe welding because it flexes and bends better that other rods. Pipelines are welded in long sections and lowered into place. 7018 allows the long section to be lowered into place without breaking the welds. 7018 is a good rod, it’s not necessary for general welding repairs.
 

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Man, I would not want to be running 6013 uphill on a long weld like that.

If you're a home gamer getting only a package or two of rod, I'd stick to 6010/1 and 7024, but that's just me.
If I get some time over the 4th I’ll do some vertical up on AC with 6013. It’s not much different than vertical up on DC with 7018.
 
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I fabricated and then glazed all the windows on the 2nd floor.
I also fabricated 11 windows in the first floor. I used old steel-frame casement windows that I cut apart and welded together in different configurations. They were sand blasted, powder coated before I glazed them. 53 or 54 windows in total for this house. It was a big job.

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The house was built in Streamline Moderne style in 1939. Only a few of the original doors had this trim.

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I dipped into my stock of old growth Doug Fir and copied the 1939 trim for 3 additional doors that were lacking the decorative trim. The Doug Fir I used was probably older than the house!

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Those wide pieces ain't plywood either. These were done in 2017 and have never warped, cause they are from 1X12 vertical grain Doug Fir.
 

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If I get some time over the 4th I’ll do some vertical up on AC with 6013. It’s not much different than vertical up on DC with 7018.
Those Transformer based Stick Welders might be "Stone Age Technology" but they are as tough as Granite.

I have a Hobart AC/DC Stickmate.
 

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Those Transformer based Stick Welders might be "Stone Age Technology" but they are as tough as Granite.

I have a Hobart AC/DC Stickmate.
I’ll take a transformer welder any day over an inverter welder. You’re correct about the old transformers being tough as granite.
 

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I have the leads to run DC stick on my Syncrowave, but I've never bothered. There's something therapeutic about running stick on heavy steel, I think I'm going to weld some bucket hooks on this week and I'll dig out the stick welder. 6011 job all day long, might cap it with the gorgeous 7024.
Try it, you'll really like it.(if it's a SW 250)
 

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After reading through this thread, I didn't see this response. Going back to the original question.
Yes, the duty is drawing an arc, not just switched on. That means you can leave it switched on so the fan runs.
My tombstone with 45 degree corners on the cabinet, circa 1978, has the 75 amp setting circled. If memory serves, this is the one setting with 100% duty cycle and the one I use the most.
 

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I’ll take a transformer welder any day over an inverter welder. You’re correct about the old transformers being tough as granite.
In contrast, I was delighted to sell my transformer welder after I got an inverter TIG machine. But I have never needed a welder to hold up to severe service. I'm just a home shop guy, and the inverter TIG is far more versatile than the Hobart AC/DC 225 stick welder.
 
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