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campbell62

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I am confused with what I can safely do to wire up for a welder. My garage has a 220 receptacle with 12ga THHN 90c wire. This will be a dedicated welding line.

Question is, what size circuit breaker should I run? how do I determine how big a stick welder I can use?

thanks!
 
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You can run a 225 buzzer and a 50a breaker. The machine is designed to run at rated output , 48A in at 20% . Hobarts allow 67 ft I believe, Lincoln 84. If I am wiring these much prefer 10, it fits the connectors better, it helps performance and is a bit of safety regarding duty cycle.
On the upside, using 1/8 electrodes and modern 240v makes the input closer to 40a.
I believe the 12 is legal for any machine comes with 50A end eccept 250 migs.
 
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I am confused with what I can safely do to wire up for a welder. My garage has a 220 receptacle with 12ga THHN 90c wire. This will be a dedicated welding line.

Question is, what size circuit breaker should I run? how do I determine how big a stick welder I can use?

thanks!

need to know what welder you will be using
 
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I have been looking at the Hobart stickmate 205 ac and tombstone Lincoln 225.. but they called for 40 or 50amp input and I thought I could only go 30amp with the 12ga wire. I have read here that I could use a higher circuit breaker but didn't understand what was safe. thanks
 

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I have read the manuals for most of the popular machines. I made an error as I recall the Hobart and the Linc are both over 80 ft and the 67 I mention was for 14 on a 210 mig,,, best I can do from memory. Any less than these maximum distances will result in less performance drop, doesn't change the duty cycle but they run a pinch better with a shorter or larger wire.

On a general circuit there would be a limit of 20 on 12 but with many equipment circuits and specifically welders there is allowance for duty cycle. If you use a cable (Romex) or some cords they need to be a size larger than the minimum listed size which is,,,, for single circuit in pipe. Multiple circuits,, got to go up a size.

If this was something I had and was going to use it on a limited basis, was within 50 ft or so would use it. Since the wire you mentioned was in pipe if I was going to lean on it might pull a couple new 10 in it. 10 will even run the big migs less than wide open.
 

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I have been looking at the Hobart stickmate 205 ac and tombstone Lincoln 225.. but they called for 40 or 50amp input and I thought I could only go 30amp with the 12ga wire. I have read here that I could use a higher circuit breaker but didn't understand what was safe. thanks

for welder circuits it all depends on duty cycle rating of the welder.
 

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Being a better welder than I am an electrician, I will tell you that you will get more out of an inverter machine than a transformer on that meek little circuit you have. The new Lincoln tombstone AC only is $309 around here. The Hobart with DC capability, dual voltage and an inverter is $349 on the net. Don't know if you can pick one up locally to save on shipping. But it's not a 200 amp machine. What is it that you would weld at high amps on a 30A circuit?

I'd think this over.

Oh, and BTW, the Hobart 205 AC costs more than than the inverter.
 

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If you have THHN you can pull some new wires into the conduit, update the breaker, etc. Of course there's a limit based on the conduit size but you should be able to go a bit larger.

EMT fill tables allow 3pc #8s to be pulled, that will get you quite a bit more amperage.
 

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This has been allowed and used on these machines for decades, used when voltage was 220. Do we think these engineers and thecode writers are stupid? The machine comes with a 12 cord. Some 10 will help it a pinch especially if it is a long circuit, the difference in 10&8 is so minor one could never tell. Wouldnt significantly add to safety.
 
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The 220 receptacle is about 60' from the box. The conduit has 5 #12's in it - the other wires are for a 110 receptacle. I was looking at those welders simply trying to determine how powerful a welder I could run on this circuit.. I was looking to buy used and you don't see many used inverter units.
 

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I am interested in how good the new small stickmate 160 is compared to the Maxstar. The ratings are a pinch different. The Max will run a 1/8 6011 & 3/32 lo hy nice and toasty from 120/20 circuit. The Hob lists 10 less on the top end, would be interesting to see. If it does it makes it a super deal, worth buying just to save on wire.
 

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It will run 2 ways from a 12 wire circuit, on 120 v and well from 12/30/240v. Could run it from your existing. Be worth it to buy new vs fuggin around used and as a super bonus it is dc.
 
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campbell62

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Just to clarify, the wires in the conduit: 2 of the 12 ga wires are used for a 110/20amp outlet, the others go to a separate 220/20amp outlet.
 
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