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Eclipse98

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Hello all

Im new to welding and just picked up this 75/25 tank for hobby welding. It still has dome gas in it but not sure where to go to get it refilled. Also do i need any special license or certificates to get it filled? Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Eclipse98

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Thanks for the info does it matter how old my tank is i think based on my research it was built in 08/11
 

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Thanks for the info does it matter how old my tank is i think based on my research it was built in 08/11
I've never had anyone look at the dates. I think they check when they fill them and if it's out of date it gets kicked out in the batch to hydrotest.
BUT policy and procedure varies.

One welding shop I bought from years ago flat out refused to let me take the tank and put it in my car, had to be in a truck. Most don't give 2 hoots.
 

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Airgas doesn't care, so long as you unload n load it yourself, it gives them plausible deniability. They're also pretty helpful on what product you need. I've never been oversold.
 

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If that welding supply on the neck ring was once in your town, but no longer exists....pretty good chance they got bought by Airgas or Linde. 98% chance they will exchange it without incident. If they still exist, just take it in for an exchange.
 

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If that welding supply on the neck ring was once in your town, but no longer exists....pretty good chance they got bought by Airgas or Linde. 98% chance they will exchange it without incident. If they still exist, just take it in for an exchange.
Yes, Post Welding Supply was bought out by Airgas like several other small welding supply stores in our area. You should have no trouble exchanging it for a full cylinder at any of the welding supply stores.
 

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It pays to call around if you have multiple choices. I had a tank that was out of date, and one place wanted to charge me to hydro it, and if it failed, I was SOL. Another place didn't care; they'd take anything. When I exchange it, they don't even look at it.
 
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Airgas will not let you load tanks in a car here in Central Ill.
Las time I swapped tanks they told me it depends on the size of the tank, over a certain cubic foot can't go in a car. Of course I don't remember the size. This was in Iowa. Maybe different states have different laws.
 

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I have a candlestick from WWII

They would no longer pressure test it so I picked up a larger volume tank from my LWS.
 

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“8/11“ is just one of the recertification dates for this cylinder. A previous recert date (9/97) is stamped just above, so given the ten-year recertification interval the cylinder dates from the mid 1980’s at the newest. And it looks like there may be more date stampings around the neck.

If you still have this cylinder, can you provide some more pictures showing the rest of the neck?

The local gas suppliers have been willing to exchange **customer owned** cylinders for just the cost of the gas. The suppliers biggest concern seems to be avoiding taking a cylinder owned by a competitor. Recently refilled cylinders will have a label indicating the current **owner**, but older cylinders might only be stamped with the name of a long defunct gas supplier. But with the recent great consolidation of gas suppliers, that defunct company was most likely absorbed by one of the few active companies in your area.

**customer owned**, lacking specific contractual paperwork, becomes kind of a blurred line after several exchanges. But it hasn’t been a problem over the past 40 years. I’ve never had a rental or lease agreement.
 
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My local supplier always check dates and will exchange tanks. Many suppliers will only accept their own tanks for exchange.
Rectification fee at my supplier is $25.00. I would definitely call suppliers by you for their policies, everyone is different.
Air Gas bought out my local guy and they will only exchange their tanks. Besides that, their prices are crazy !!!
 

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I have a problem that I can't turn down a bottle that is either cheap or free EXCEPT: I currently have 13 owner bottles
If the bottle is a 300 or 250 cubic foot bottle that has the marking of a welding supply on the ring. If present then you can keep it. The 300 or 250 cubic foot has to be a slick ring or without thing stamped or raised letters on the ring.
The most common bottle that I run across that is either cheap or free is a 180 cubic foot. I don't care if ring is slick or with stamping or raised letters on it. The 180 bottle is considered a owner bottle at any welding supply that I have dealt with. This has included IOC, Airgas and Praxair.
Any bottle that is smaller than 180 cubic foot I never never mess with.
Most gas supplies will exchange a 180 to 250 cubic foot bottle with money to boot. If you are not close to a gas supply you might think about a larger bottle. Now when it comes to 300 CF bottles make sure that your gas supply has owner 300 CF bottles. (Mine has a limited supply. Sometimes I have to wait for them to fill.)
Just make sure that you are getting a slick ring see attached Image.
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Acetylene bottles are a horse of a different color. I have four of five of them. I can never tell what is a owner bottle or a company owned. I will usually watch out for heavy stamping that states a name of a company.
At the time of exchange the test date is ten years for the last stamped date on the bottle. This has been the same for acetylene or high pressure cylinders. They usually charge $17 to $25 for retest. I have seen them just take them without retest and needing to be retested. But this it the times that I come in with 7 to 8 bottles.
You can exchange any owner bottle that is a oxygen to a sets say 75-25 of equal size without paying any difference other than the gas price. I have done this a couple of times when I need mig gas. My supplier doesn't care.
I currently have three welding gas bottles 90-10, 75-25 and one straight argon. I currently find my self welding with the 90-10 mix more the the 75-25. Double pulse.
One of the biggest things is to shop around for supplier to supplier for better gas prices. Remember you have an owner bottle that can exchange anywhere.
The highest I have ever paid is $133 for a bottle that was because they were 300 CF bottles that were owner bottles. Most of the time it is about 50 dollars or less. Garage sales are the best places to get them. I have found them on market place but usually the ones I see are company owned bottles that they can't get rid of and are trying to stiff the unknowing.
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The 300 CF bottle I converted to a mix gas from a oxygen bottle. I had to pay for retest and a new valve. Only because it was 300 CF owner bottle and they didn't have any at the time.
 

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My local shop just keeps track of when you started filling there and the just straight up exchange it. They only had an argon generator so others were just exchanged and refilled off site. The generator took several hours to fill all the bottles hooked to it.

If you want to move or something just ask for an unmarked(slick tank) and they will provide. Every ten years you get a recert fee, mine just came up a few months ago on all 4 of my tanks. Between the acetylene gas, oxygen, and shielding gas plus recert it was pretty salty at 400 dollars. They only had an argon generator so others were just exchanged and refilled off site. The generator took several hours to fill all the bottles hooked to it.

Sort of interested in how it will go next time as Linde just bought them out. I hope the continue to sell steel.

Indiana oxygen, while a decent company, only wanted to lease bottles.
 
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