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He's a friend but....
It appears there is too much heat here especially pic 2. Lots of discoloration...




opinions?

This is my new welder friend's welds....
 
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I believe we have already been through this. :headscrat

Yes, second pic looks like it was welded a bit hot. Typically hot steel tig welds, turn out a dull greyish color.

Third pic looks pretty good, a little inconsistent in filler addition, but good on heat input.
 

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"He's a friend".....are you paying this "friend" for his services????YES...go ***** to him, and or don't go back to him...NO....Shut the F up and deal with it..he's doing YOU a favor...and then you are airing the dirty laundry on a PUBLIC forum...not cool, If it was me doing the welding , and I found this thread, it would be the LAST thing you got outta me...just sayin'...Oh if you want a Professional TIG welder to do the QUALITY work that you are obviously looking for...bust out the 'hundies , as most high end weldors would be in the $75-100.00 an hour...and up to do your job...looks like a couple of hours of work so far....I charge 25 bucks for the first 15 min and a buck a min after that...and yes that includes prep time, not just welding time ...jobs over 1 hr are quote only....and I've been told I am too cheap...Shawn
 

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Looks good enough to me. As long as it's function and structurally sound, put it on and run it. Who cares if it's a little discolored - it's exhaust and it's under the car!
 
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I believe we have already been through this. :headscrat

Yes, second pic looks like it was welded a bit hot. Typically hot steel tig welds, turn out a dull greyish color.

Third pic looks pretty good, a little inconsistent in filler addition, but good on heat input.

Yes. Probaly have been over this. I just want to make sure sure before I never go back.
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"He's a friend".....are you paying this "friend" for his services????YES...go ***** to him, and or don't go back to him...NO....Shut the F up and deal with it..he's doing YOU a favor...and then you are airing the dirty laundry on a PUBLIC forum...not cool, If it was me doing the welding , and I found this thread, it would be the LAST thing you got outta me...just sayin'...Oh if you want a Professional TIG welder to do the QUALITY work that you are obviously looking for...bust out the 'hundies , as most high end weldors would be in the $75-100.00 an hour...and up to do your job...looks like a couple of hours of work so far....I charge 25 bucks for the first 15 min and a buck a min after that...and yes that includes prep time, not just welding time ...jobs over 1 hr are quote only....and I've been told I am too cheap...Shawn

Thanks so much for the breezy response.
I have discussed it with him and his responses are not to my liking. So prob will not be back.
BTW I have always paid what ever he has asked + tip + +

I will start attending welding classes of my own this Monday then I wont have to post any more....
 
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I just want to make sure sure before I never go back.
Thanks

Dude, you have to realize what the application is. An exhaust system for your car. Yes I understand we all want everything to be perfect, however what works like it should and what we want sometimes are 2 different things.

Every day shops are welding exhausts on the car with small mig welders. I don't see too many mufflers on the side of the road that fell off, do you?

Unless said friend is charging you an arm and a leg for this welding work, I would shut up and appreciate it. Welding is one common thing that people are very critical to judge before they have tried it themselves. After that their tone drastically changes. :thumbup:

I have been tig welding, going on 8+ years now (mig and stick much longer) and can barely call my self a decent tig weldor. Some days I am just terrible. Some days are fantastic. I have built quite a few turbo and exhaust setups for guys like you. Heck it helped put me through college. Before I ever accepted their work I showed them samples of what the finished welds would look like. That way they knew what to expect when all was said and done. I had ONE guy walk away to only then come back a few months later. Who was then very happy with the finished product.

Technically neither the 2nd or 3rd weld pic is perfect, will it hold? Yea. Out of curiosity what kind of background and experience do your "Friends" have. Are they full time weldors by profession, specifically tig process? Or folks that just recently purchased a machine to fool around with? Reason why I put that in quotes is usually when people find out I have a tig machine at the house they all a sudden become real chummy, with their eyes set on one thing. I am starting to get the impression you may be one of those folks.
 
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I would call the weld appearance "good". They are not perfect (no weld ever is), but they are also not hideous looking either. All 3 photos show heat tint, but that can easily be removed with a wire brush. If it is stainless exhaust, use a stainless brush or you will see surface rusting with a carbon steel brush. The 3rd photo looks like he melted off the edge of the fitting while welding to the pipe. Not a problem functionally, but not desirable on a show car. Unless you are building a show car and willing to pay big bucks, this is the quality level you can expect on exhaust pipes. I have seen much, much worse that functioned just fine. Be happy with it and move on to something else.
 
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The welds in the pictures whats your concern with em? Are you looking for sound welds that will do the job or are you looking for pretty shinny welds to show off?

The welds in the pictures won't rust, color in stainless steel is not all that bad I mean pending on the application/standard/code or what ever sometimes color is allowed.
Where highest quality stainless welding is going to be in is nuclear, pharmaceutical, food/beverage grade, etc. It seem like this is where your aiming at for welds from the guys you are hiring. Even with food/beverage grade I have seen color and it was allowed.

If you plan on doing a lot of this type of work learning how to weld it yourself is going to be the way to go plus you can say you did it.
One tip on learning when you get frustrated and or discouraged stop and take a break, 15mins to couple of days break. With TIG your training a lot of different muscles at the same time and you will tire them out even if your not. When I was taking classes I was surprised at how much I improved after taking a day or two from welding.
Have fun and good luck with the classes, stainless is a b!tch to noobs and some people just can't get it even with classes. When you get your welds the way you like em you should post em.
 

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Thanks so much for the breezy response.
I have discussed it with him and his responses are not to my liking. So prob will not be back.
BTW I have always paid what ever he has asked + tip + +

I will start attending welding classes of my own this Monday then I wont have to post any more....

After attending the class and redoing the parts post up some pics. I suspect you will find it more difficult than you think.
 
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After attending the class and redoing the parts post up some pics. I suspect you will find it more difficult than you think.

"I suspect you will find it more difficult than you think"
So your a mind reader.... I never thought (think) that it is/ was not difficult.

I'm just lookin for advice/help here. Not trying to tear anyone down.

I'm been doin my job (occupation).....what I do for a living for 30+ years but theres one thing ive learned....I can always learn more...I assume nothing.
 

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I will start attending welding classes of my own this Monday then I wont have to post any more....

This is probably the best thing you can do. Those welds look fine. Looks to be a little on the hot side but that's not always a bad thing (unless it's to an extreme, which your pictures are not) and it's better than a weld that is too cold.

Once you start trying to weld you are going to realize just how unreasonable your expectations are, especially for exhaust pipe being done by a friend for what sounds like on the cheap. If he would have cleaned the pipe up after welding them I bet you wouldn't even be asking if they were too hot, since you're basing your analysis on color.
 
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Dude, you have to realize what the application is. An exhaust system for your car. Yes I understand we all want everything to be perfect, however what works like it should and what we want sometimes are 2 different things.

Every day shops are welding exhausts on the car with small mig welders. I don't see too many mufflers on the side of the road that fell off, do you?

Unless said friend is charging you an arm and a leg for this welding work, I would shut up and appreciate it. Welding is one common thing that people are very critical to judge before they have tried it themselves. After that their tone drastically changes. :thumbup:

I have been tig welding, going on 8+ years now (mig and stick much longer) and can barely call my self a decent tig weldor. Some days I am just terrible. Some days are fantastic. I have built quite a few turbo and exhaust setups for guys like you. Heck it helped put me through college. Before I ever accepted their work I showed them samples of what the finished welds would look like. That way they knew what to expect when all was said and done. I had ONE guy walk away to only then come back a few months later. Who was then very happy with the finished product.

Technically neither the 2nd or 3rd weld pic is perfect, will it hold? Yea. Out of curiosity what kind of background and experience do your "Friends" have. Are they full time weldors by profession, specifically tig process? Or folks that just recently purchased a machine to fool around with? Reason why I put that in quotes is usually when people find out I have a tig machine at the house they all a sudden become real chummy, with their eyes set on one thing. I am starting to get the impression you may be one of those folks.

Thanks dude....your ight i'll just shut up.

Seems this thread was a mistake... I will just go back to my garage and do it all myself...basically i've been doing that my whole life.

:rocker:
 

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a weld that is too hot usually shows a wrinkled or spiderweb appearance to the bead, almost crystalized in extreme cases......

The third pick where the v-band flange is eroded/undercut in various areas would bother me more than the first picture.
 
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Didn't we have a post on this a few days ago? Just different welds.
 

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The color you see on these weld indicates how hot the material was when welded. A straw color is usually considered OK. Purging the tubes would not reduce the temperature of the welding process nor would you want it to. The kind of weld appearance you want is usually done with a orbital welding machine that automatically rotates around the tube. These machines cost $20,000.00 and up plus a TIG machine to provide the welding power. Most sane people would consider this overkill for an exhaust system. I think that it's only fair that you post some pictures of you attempts at SST welding so we can complement you on your work.
 

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Weird thread.....You're getting taken to the wood shed just because you mentioned he was a friend!?
 

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I think yes...he did not.

Purging or not, it will have very little to no effect on the outside weld.
Purging is used to shield the inside and prevent sugaring.


Want some welds to compare to check out welding tips and tricks.

http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com

Look at his welds. He is a pro and still has color.

You don't want burnt dull gritty looking weld. light Straw yellow to blue can be polished out and won't rust.
 

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Weird thread.....You're getting taken to the wood shed just because you mentioned he was a friend!?

This is the third thread in a row that he has started on this SS exhaust project and all are about the welds not meeting his standards. I think that's where all the snap is coming from.
 

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Weird thread.....You're getting taken to the wood shed just because you mentioned he was a friend!?

I think unreasonable expectations is what he is getting ragged on about.

I have some brand new Borla headers that look worse than that right out of the box. After being installed for a month, the colors of the pipe are worse than that.
 

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I wasn't suggesting the op can't learn the new skill but taking a class and expecting to turn out perfect tig welds is not reasonable for 99% of the population. If you do it for a living 40 hrs a week you will get and stay very good. I got decent after I got my tig but that was about the time I was done all my projects and now I **** to just pick up and do one weld every six months.
 

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Thanks so much for the breezy response.
I have discussed it with him and his responses are not to my liking. So prob will not be back.
BTW I have always paid what ever he has asked + tip + +

I will start attending welding classes of my own this Monday then I wont have to post any more....
How old are you? Good luck with your future welding education, please post pictures
Soon as we'll as in a few years when you get to the skill level of your friend!
 

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I'm just lookin for advice/help here. Not trying to tear anyone down.

I just want to make sure sure before I never go back.

"Never go back" :wtf: Maybe you could both discuss the welds and you both could learn something. A good friend should want to help their friends grow and succeed. Not just walk away when there is a problem.

I think yes...he did not.

Discoloring from too much heat and from oxidization due to lack of shielding are too different things. That is just plain too much heat.

Thanks dude....your ight i'll just shut up.
Seems this thread was a mistake... I will just go back to my garage and do it all myself...basically i've been doing that my whole life.
:rocker:

I'm starting to get the picture here.

If you want something done right do it yourself, or pay a professional to do it. You never answered my question, what kind of welding background do your "friends" have?


This is my new welder friend's welds....

Let me guess, you became "friends" as soon as you found out he could weld for you? :rolleyes:

I have discussed it with him and his responses are not to my liking. So prob will not be back.

Gee, with your ourstanding people skills? I'm shocked. :rolleyes: How did you bring up the issue to said friend? Again what is their welding background?

Go get a TIG machine, become proficient at it, build your perfect exhaust. Then later down the road when someone wants to befriend you just so you can weld for them and they complain like this about it. See if your attitude changes when the shoes are on different feet. :beer:
 
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I think unreasonable expectations is what he is getting ragged on about.

It's not so much the expectations that get me, but more so the attitude and approach taken. I have been on the other side of this before. :headshake
 

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This is what happens when someone has no experience other than what they've read in books.
Those welds are on an exhaust system, not a full roll cage. Analyzing exhaust system welds and being critical about their color is really picking he fly **** out of the pepper.
Here's what you need to know: Did the welds have good penetration? Are they full of contamination? Is there porosity issues?

Spend some time with a little Wenol if it really bothers you that much, and go apologize to your friend.


-Brad
 
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