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What are your COOLING ideas?

mpire

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All this talk about heating, its all useless information for us down in Florida.

I ran the heater a total of two times in the last year, both at night, and only for a couple hours.

Swamp coolers don't work in Florida, and I am running out of the easy stuff.

I already have fans in every room.

If you have some ideas, please share them.

I have gone from 2200-2500 kwh per month down to around 800-1000 kwh.

I am looking to shave off a few more kwh here and there by keeping the house cooler.

I am home all day since I work from home, my crappy single pane windows are tinted and I have insulating black out blinds in them all.

I am open to all ideas, so post them up.
 
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What are the areas you want to cool, size wise, adjoining spaces that will feed off the next room. A mini-split properly located to provide best circulation will, as you know, provide the comfort and economy. The trick is to use as few as possible while getting the air flow. One on either end of the first floor will take care of the whole place...depending upon air circulation and unit location.

What is there now? I think you do the bedroom and garage with ms, right? How is therest of the house h/c?
 

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my best recommendation is to have new low E windows installed. it made one hell of a difference on my house. during the summer my a/c would run non stop all day and most of the night just to keep the house at 75*. now with the new windows and an extra 6-8" of insulation in the attic the a/c hardly runs at night and only a few min. per hour during the day to keep the house at 68-70*. it isnt a cheap option but it is the least wasteful.
 

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Windows are typically the least cost effective solution to heating or cooling issues. Your first step is air sealing - convective drafts are your worst enemy. After that insulation. Only when those steps are complete should you start to think about other options.

One other trick - CFL or LED (though they aren't really cost effective) light bulbs - they put out much less heat (that you then need to cool) than regular bulbs.

Good luck.
 

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windows may not be the most cost effective but they were the absolute best investment i have made in my house. single pane windows are damn near like a magnifying glass when the sun hits them
 
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mpire

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What are the areas you want to cool, size wise, adjoining spaces that will feed off the next room. A mini-split properly located to provide best circulation will, as you know, provide the comfort and economy. The trick is to use as few as possible while getting the air flow. One on either end of the first floor will take care of the whole place...depending upon air circulation and unit location.

What is there now? I think you do the bedroom and garage with ms, right? How is therest of the house h/c?

I am looking into cooling the downstairs of the house, but I don't plan on replacing the ancient 13 SEER a/c unit until it completely dies. At that point I will probably just replace it with a goodman unit I install myself. I suppose I could fire up the fans I have in every room, but to be a true wimp, it really dries out my eyes. I have cut my power usage more than half, and I am making progress.

my best recommendation is to have new low E windows installed. it made one hell of a difference on my house. during the summer my a/c would run non stop all day and most of the night just to keep the house at 75*. now with the new windows and an extra 6-8" of insulation in the attic the a/c hardly runs at night and only a few min. per hour during the day to keep the house at 68-70*. it isnt a cheap option but it is the least wasteful.

I installed a low E window in my office. My father in law has a window dealership, so I got low E triple pane window for about $210. Its the large window on the bottom left.

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I am thinking that it may be a good idea to replace the single pane window on the east side of the house. I never open the solar/blackout insulated blinds during the summer because its so hot over there.

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It would probably be about $100 for the window, so maybe I should just replace it anyway. I would really like to get the natural light into the dining room, but the heat is a big negative. I would like to experiment with an awning or something like that to block the direct sunlight.

Does anyone have any experience with the solar screen stuff?

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http://www.qualitywindowscreen.com/store/36-x-linear-foot-super-solar-90-solar-screen-fabric-p-484.html

Windows are typically the least cost effective solution to heating or cooling issues. Your first step is air sealing - convective drafts are your worst enemy. After that insulation. Only when those steps are complete should you start to think about other options.

I think my house is pretty well sealed up. I re-caulked all the joints, cracks, and windows last fall when I had the whole house repainted. Its basically just a concrete box, so I am thinking that I should be looking for ways to reduce the solar exposure on the house.

The sun comes up in the summer and bakes the side of the house, which is a big reason that I added the mini-split to the bedroom. Its made a major difference in comfort for sure because it starts to get really hot around 6 am.

One other trick - CFL or LED (though they aren't really cost effective) light bulbs - they put out much less heat (that you then need to cool) than regular bulbs.

I think I already picked that low hanging fruit. The only incandescent bulbs in my house are the dim-able light over the breakfast table and the lamp on the wife's nightstand. I have LED outdoor house lights, and am planning on replacing the landscape lighting with LEDs eventually, but I rarely run those.

The rest of the house has the cool blue looking CFL or regular T8 bulbs.
 
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mpire

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I wonder if planting some trees on the side of the house will help to block the sun in the summer.

I have no active ventilation in the roof. Would that help? I have the regular side vents and ridge vents that should allow some air circulation.

I am also going to re-route the a/c ducts from the master into the foyer and possibly add some baffles to redirect a/c from rooms I keep closed off anyways.

I was thinking of something like this, so when I had company I could just put in a switch to open the baffle and let the a/c flow to the room.

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When not in use I would just re-direct the air to a vent in the common hallway so as not to increase back pressure on the system.
 

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" I was thinking of something like this, so when I had company I could just put in a switch to open the baffle and let the a/c flow to the room.

The problems with dampers on AC when you restrict the airflow from what the system is designed to flow ... the evap coil freezes up.
 
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mpire

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" I was thinking of something like this, so when I had company I could just put in a switch to open the baffle and let the a/c flow to the room.

The problems with dampers on AC when you restrict the airflow from what the system is designed to flow ... the evap coil freezes up.
Right. That's why I would put in a "Y" in the duct and pump the air into the common hallway/foyer when not pumping it into the guest bedrooms that we never even walk into.

All the A/C seems to just flow downstairs anyway, which is where I spend all my time.
 
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Big improvement is attic fans. My father owns a roofing company and installs a lot of these during the summer and he said they make a big difference in keeping the heat out of the upper portion of the house which in turn saves on your A/C bill. I know he installed a few in his last house and I could tell a difference when I went there. This may be something to look into...
 

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I installed an exhaust fan on a thermostat in one of my gables last spring and it made a big difference in the cooling of my house. I am thinking about installing one in one of the other gable vents.
 

Ron Lombardo

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I installed an exhaust fan on a thermostat in one of my gables last spring and it made a big difference in the cooling of my house. I am thinking about installing one in one of the other gable vents.

Good Idea .... Just remember ... you need air IN and air OUT.
 

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i got all redneck a few years ago and put 2 box fans in one of my gables and walled off all around them so that they would only pull fresh air in from the shaded end of my house. i can stand in my driveway and feel the air blowing down on me haha...all of maybe 25 bux tied into that project. i couldnt really see a difference in my energy bill though.
 

SmokinFletch

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I am open to all ideas, so post them up.

Paint your home white
White metal roof
Water heater timer
Huge water heater blanket
Electrical strips on TV components and Computers and turn off when not in use.
Turn off all lights
Energy star appliances, lowest amps possible.
Wrap your freezer in insulation foam 2" thick, pink stuff. I used contact cement.
Insulate and insulate some more.
 

tonycastec

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Don't forget shading -on the outside of sunny windows and walls. Awnings are effective.Google ventilated plenums -if you can make a ventilated plenum roof,it is very effective. Green roofs are effective also.
 

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I think my house is pretty well sealed up. I re-caulked all the joints, cracks, and windows last fall when I had the whole house repainted. Its basically just a concrete box, so I am thinking that I should be looking for ways to reduce the solar exposure on the house.

You do not know how "sealed" a house is without a blower door test run by someone that knows what they are doing.

I don't recall any comments about insulation, so if you do not have spray foam installed, I'd start with the roof.

Big improvement is attic fans. My father owns a roofing company and installs a lot of these during the summer and he said they make a big difference in keeping the heat out of the upper portion of the house which in turn saves on your A/C bill. I know he installed a few in his last house and I could tell a difference when I went there. This may be something to look into...

Attic fans (powered) quickly overpower any type of natural ventilation system.

The next place they draw air from is the living space.

You notice a difference because the air conditioned air is being pulled up through the ceiling and out the attic.
 

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Awnings and trees are great bang for the buck. Keeping the heat out in the first place is always better than trying to remove it once it's in.
 
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