To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

What bit ratchet has the smallest head?

williaty

Well-known member
Joined
May 16, 2010
Messages
829
At work, I've got a motor assembly I tear down regularly to switch configurations. To access the motor mount, which is what I change regularly, I have to remove the plastic housing around the motor. The plastic housing is held together by just a single screw. That damned screw is behind the output drive gear so you can't reach it with any normal driver or wrench. Pulling the output assembly so I can get to the gear and then pulling the gear takes 2/3rds of the time for the whole job and none of those parts actually need to come off for any reason other than getting access to this damned screw. I have less than an inch between the plastic housing and the back side of the output gear. That means I can fit a normal short 1/4" hex-drive bit down in there to hit the screw but nothing taller. Unfortunately, the clearance hole in the plastic housing isn't so clearancey if you know what I mean. The 1/4" hex-drive bit basically sits flush against part of the housing when the bit is properly aligned to the screw head. The room to get the bit ratchet in there 100% comes from mis-aligning the bit to the screw. I had a guy help me one day who had a tiny-headed little bit ratchet and with that I could reach up behind the output gear (because the bit was short) and get the bit into the screw close enough to straight to not strip it (because the head of the ratchet was tiny). Pulling that screw out with that little ratchet was a massive time saver.

Unfortunately, I never remembered to ask him what brand the ratchet was. Doh.

My Wera Zyklop bit ratchet, which I use for most jobs like this, has too thick of a head and it forces the bit to tip over enough it doesn't bite in the screw head. EDIT TO ADD: My little bit ratchet has a 17.5mm (0.69") diameter head. I need something that's probably below 15mm (0.6")

So what bit ratchet has a tiny thin head? This is a really low torque application (single digit inch pounds probably) so the ratchet doesn't have to be strong. The access for ratchet swing is also really open so it doesn't need to be a high tooth count or anything. It just needs to have a darned small head to fit where it needs to go.

Any suggestions?
 
Last edited:
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
OP
W

williaty

Well-known member
Joined
May 16, 2010
Messages
829
As small as it gets, afaik
https://a.co/d/15r38I5

The thumb wheel on this one might be helpful

https://a.co/d/0xTTtQx
I've just been looking at those. They're claiming ~0.6-0.7" head width on most of the Amazon listings. The head of the Wera Zyklop bit ratchet I'm using is 17.5mm (0.69") in diameter. After some shopping today, I'm coming to the conclusion that guy had a freakishly small ratchet.
 

AndreaW

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 23, 2024
Messages
52
Location
Texas
I don't know if it's the smallest but I have several bit ratchets from 711L and have been happy with them.


IMG_3112.jpeg

IMG_3113.jpeg
 

NoahG

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 24, 2013
Messages
1,053
Location
Detroit, MI
I probably own a dozen bit ratchets but I always reach for the Klein first. The thumbweel is super handy, the ring end comfortable, and it comes with cut down insert bits.
 

glenng

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 2, 2012
Messages
100
Edit: just read OP's post in full, if you need tiniest head width, not necessarily height from ratchet to bit tip, then check out the Anex stubby drivers I posted below. Not ratcheting, but prolly the tiniest head width. I was under the impression you needed the smallest height, not width of ratchet head.

Few different options:

Vessel ratcheting, with I believe are stubby bits. Total height profile to bit tip is 18mm, which is certainly shorter than a 1/4" bit:


71vyl+cHLJL._AC_SL1500_.jpg



Not ratcheting, but Anex has super low profile drivers in phillips/flathead:


71YiBrS1tWL._AC_SX679_.jpg

Anex Hex:


51xjaikmmCL._AC_SX679_.jpg


You can also look into half-cut stubby bits to go with a low profile bit driver:


510HWDCVbFL._AC_SX679_.jpg
 
Last edited:

Steve_P

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 15, 2010
Messages
5,182

whateg01

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 13, 2006
Messages
11,219
Location
doo dah, kansas, usa
Wow, I can't believe these recommendations for the ancient design ~20 tooth exposed gear sheet metal ratchets.

The design that Vim sells is one of the most popular choices and has been shown in several replies above. I don't know if it's the smallest, but it's very compact.

I was just thinking, we can get 100+ tooth 3/8 ratchets but all of these bit ratchets use the crudest drives imaginable! I guess it's a cost thing. Are both ends of that one ratcheting?
 

Ohio Andy

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 31, 2024
Messages
2,260
Location
Columbus, Ohio
Edit: just read OP's post in full, if you need tiniest head width, not necessarily height from ratchet to bit tip, then check out the Anex stubby drivers I posted below. Not ratcheting, but prolly the tiniest head width. I was under the impression you needed the smallest height, not width of ratchet head.

Few different options:

Vessel ratcheting, with I believe are stubby bits. Total height profile to bit tip is 18mm, which is certainly shorter than a 1/4" bit:


71vyl+cHLJL._AC_SL1500_.jpg


No name Chinese Low Profile ratchet with stubby bits with 15.9mm (5/8") total height to bit tip :


View attachment 2378576

View attachment 2378581

Not ratcheting, but Anex has super low profile drivers in phillips/flathead:


71YiBrS1tWL._AC_SX679_.jpg

Anex Hex:


51xjaikmmCL._AC_SX679_.jpg


You can also look into half-cut stubby bits to go with a low profile bit driver:


510HWDCVbFL._AC_SX679_.jpg
I vaguely remember hearing that that particular vim VHC 77 is one of their best sellers very popular with people doing car interiors. I love mine I might have a smaller ratchet I'm not sure, but those smaller bits are really nice as well.

Chapman also has some small offerings with their little ratchets and some Wheels and because of the way the bits are designed you can use the bit directly if you don't need to apply. Too much pressure to smug it up because the bits are designed that you can literally twist them in your finger directly.

I have this set along with a few other extra bits very common, especially if you're doing certain gunsmithing tasks.


If you're not familiar with them, you could check them out, but they are kind of pricey. Oh, the only sense I'm aware of where the bits are designed specifically that you can use them by hand if you need to. And if he was one other hand wheels with the bits and that's pretty compact
 

glenng

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 2, 2012
Messages
100
Wow, I can't believe these recommendations for the ancient design ~20 tooth exposed gear sheet metal ratchets.

I thought he needed the smallest height, and those exposed gear sets come with stubby bits, so that's why I recommended them. Turns out he needs the tiniest head diameter or width.
 

whateg01

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 13, 2006
Messages
11,219
Location
doo dah, kansas, usa
I thought he needed the smallest height, and those exposed gear sets come with stubby bits, so that's why I recommended them. Turns out he needs the tiniest head diameter or width.
Yes he said that he has to tilt the bit in the screw head to get clearance for the head of the ratchet.
 

BWWgarage

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 9, 2023
Messages
326
Victorious looks like a winner at $66 😳

How about a flex extension or right angle extension?
 

Attachments

  • IMG_8869.jpeg
    IMG_8869.jpeg
    911.6 KB · Views: 32
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

BWWgarage

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 9, 2023
Messages
326

BWWgarage

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 9, 2023
Messages
326
One more at .587” wide 👍 And, made in USA. Bits may be proprietary …

Please note: Chapman ratchets are designed to be used with Chapman bits. While they may fit other 1/4" Hex drive bits or extensions, they are not guaranteed to work as a universal tool. Replacement colored ratchets of the same color cannot be guaranteed.

IMG_8870.jpeg
 
Last edited:

s3zau

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 21, 2014
Messages
58
Get yourself some 1/2 or 3/4 cut bits IMG_0569.jpeg
and a small ratchet , the victorinox with 1/2 cut bit is only 12mm high

Small Bahco ratchet(2058-BR) with thumpwheel and reverse lever. And 3/4 cut bit is 19,5mm high by 14mm wide
IMG_0570.jpeg
 

RTM

Well-known member
Joined
May 13, 2019
Messages
13,106
Location
SF Bay Area
What about using a simple 1/4” ratcheting box end wrench with the shorter bits as noted above. If the bits push through, some bits are staked to prevent it, or buy a pair of wrenches, and glue the bits in, one in each drive direction.
 

YesIHaveAHammer

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 1, 2025
Messages
800
That means I can fit a normal short 1/4" hex-drive bit down in there to hit the screw but nothing taller
The 1/4" hex-drive bit basically sits flush against part of the housing when the bit is properly aligned to the screw head. The room to get the bit ratchet in there 100% comes from mis-aligning the bit to the screw.
How do you have enough space for the length of the screw itself as it comes out?
 

four.cycle

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 19, 2015
Messages
28,625
Location
Tacoma, Washington
Titan 11205 micro bit ratchet 120624.jpg
Titan model 11205 micro bit ratchet

Star / Star-Asia USA LLC, PO Box 58399, Renton, WA 98058 / https://www.titan-us.com/ / "Titan" brand hand tools / product manufactured in Taiwan R.O.C. / see also Titan /
 

Attachments

  • Titan 11205 micro bit ratchet set 101024 03.jpg
    Titan 11205 micro bit ratchet set 101024 03.jpg
    214.7 KB · Views: 18
  • Titan 11205 micro bit ratchet set 101024 01.jpg
    Titan 11205 micro bit ratchet set 101024 01.jpg
    233.8 KB · Views: 15

four.cycle

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 19, 2015
Messages
28,625
Location
Tacoma, Washington
This Titan version is one of the smallest I've seen:
Titan model 11333 definitely looks interesting. Not in the database at O'Reilly's Auto Parts. (prices vary - shop around)

Monte's Wadsworth Falls unit (post #25) is definitely an option, but the Wadsworth driver uses only Wadsworth bits - it's a proprietary system like Chapman's. It does, however, offer arguably one of the smallest diameter drive heads available.


Wadsworth / Wadsworth Falls, 72 Main St., Rockfall, CT 06481 / https://wfmc.shop/collections/all / est. 1978 / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum...tchet-set-worlds-strongest-bit-driver.508591/ /
 

whateg01

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 13, 2006
Messages
11,219
Location
doo dah, kansas, usa
I wonder how much torque the screw requires. Not that I've seen one, but it would be cool if there was a bit ratchet that would work with those little bits for fixing eyeglasses and small stuff. It seems like mine are so the same size, but I haven't compared them. They are something like 4mm hex.
 
Last edited:

sk farmer

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 4, 2009
Messages
5,556
Location
nd
Monte's Wadsworth Falls unit (post #25) is definitely an option, but the Wadsworth driver uses only Wadsworth bits - it's a proprietary system like Chapman's. It does, however, offer arguably one of the smallest diameter drive heads available.


Wadsworth / Wadsworth Falls, 72 Main St., Rockfall, CT 06481 / https://wfmc.shop/collections/all / est. 1978 / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum...tchet-set-worlds-strongest-bit-driver.508591/ /
has to be the most elusive mfg ever. web presence is next to nil. info on the sets and mfg is nearly non existent. availability is next to none. their site doesn't even show sets in stock.

whoever makes them must be some sort of elusive hermit living in a basement. they may be a quality product but it seems like they purposely don't want to sell or promote their product.
 

Boogerman

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 28, 2021
Messages
833
Location
aspen cove hill
One of the few asian tools I own, because of the size, and because it's decent quality. Unfortunately, discontinued and hard to find.
 

RTM

Well-known member
Joined
May 13, 2019
Messages
13,106
Location
SF Bay Area
Their ratchets are very durable.
I've got one soaking in Evaporust right now. Saw it at a GS and grabbed it, didn't think to test it, based on glowing endorsements like yours and others. Was so bummed it was locked up

I also put one set on my HJE list for when they come back in stock.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom