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larry_g

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Insanity comes in many forms... Neat drawings and some interesting stuff, but every nail???


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Kevin54

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That is just so cool beyond all words. Actually there are no words to describe what he is doing and the love for his grandfather. Thanks for posting that up.

Hopefully he'll be framing up some prints and selling them. I imagine prints of his drawings would go over great.
 

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This guy needs to adjust the dosage of his meds. I wonder: does he also have to flip the light switch six times every time he walks into a room?

Eric Sloane was cool. He drew interesting antique tools. This guy is drawing thousands of nails.
 

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Incredible.
My will says my gardener gets everything BUT the tools needed to maintain the farm.
He'll have a hell of a pile off stuff minus chain saws, weed eaters, backpack sprayers, the tractor, jacks, jackstands and air-impact tools.Those are needed regular here.
Make a will. Even if you're only 30.Don't let wifey, kids, and some slimeball(attorney) try to figure it out.
 
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KRB52

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EVERY nail, screw, nut and bolt? Um...yeah, ok, must be nice to have the time...
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Yeah, I thought it was cooler before I saw that he drew every nail. That just kinda moved it into a whole other category.
 

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I'd be satisfied with the talent to draw like that much less the time to spend doing all that. Pretty fascinating.
 

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While it is kinda cool drawing most of the larger tools and stuff, I have to question the sanity of someone drawing each individual nail, screw, and nut. Drawing the whole jar full of them would be enough in IMHO. Who the hell has the time for this anyway?
 
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Impressive, truly impressive, hugely talented, and incredibly devoted to his grandfather. That said, he's going to spend 4 to 5 YEARS doing this? More than a bit looney I think.
 

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Later on, the future family will find these drawings and say 'meh', and pitch them. I could see drawing the shop as it is, but what is the reason for drawing every little nail and nut? This guy needs a life.
 

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Very impressive. Must have thought a great deal of his grandfather and his family to do this. They will have great times thinking of him in future generations. I wonder what they will think. My garage is basically full of things I might need someday. That day has yet to come. I still keep cramming those gotta/save might need items. After my passing and when it comes time to "get rid of his stuff"...I think my family might ask, "What the hell was he thinking!"
 

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My wife has her Doctorate in Special Ed, specializing in Autism, as well as her BCBA-D in behavior analysis, again specializing in Autism.

She has been dealing with both children and adults who are on the Autism Spectrum for over 20 years.

I showed this to her, in order to get her professional opinion on it.

She said that while on the surface it might look like a really "cool" thing to do, it shows that this person is fixated on his grandfathers belongings, and the fact that he is drawing every single nail, washer, nut and bolt is not what most people who are not on the Spectrum would do.

I asked her to give me an example that I could understand and she said sure. Remember the movie Rain Man? Dustin Hoffman's charactor Raymond was like this. He fixated on things, like memorizing each and every name, address and phone number in the phone book from A to Z, or being able to memorize every card in a deck.

But normal day to day things, like interacting with people, social skills, and other behaviors were not something Raymond could do. Like have an actual conversation with his brother about the weather, or telling him about his day.

My nephew Jack has Autism. If you tell him to draw a bird, he can't do it unless you show him a picture of a bird. Then he can copy it without having to look at it again. Or, when we play with Playdow, if I ask Jack to make me a dog, he fumbles around, and starts to get very agitated and upset. But if I show him a picture of a dog, he can then make a Playdow dog that almost looks real!!

But he can't comprehend what you just tell him to make. He is fixated on having to see things in order to draw them or make them out of clay.

His latest thing is now listening to and being fixated to music by Beethoven.

He can listen to any melody just once and then he will hum it over and over again, and in perfect pitch and tone.

But if you ask him to make up a song and hum it, he can't. He will get upset and walk away from the table.

This guy drawing his grandfathers things is on the Spectrum for Autism. He may be very high functioning, but he is there.

My wife actually said the idea to give the guy a digital camera to take pictures of his grandfathers things is a good idea.

What he is doing could take years to do, and if they ever have to sell off any of these things, or god forbid, if they move, the guy could possibly become distraught and have anxiety attacks if he can't finish what he started.

Jim
 
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kinglake

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My wife has her Doctorate in Special Ed, specializing in Autism, as well as her BCBA-D in behavior analysis, again specializing in Autism.

She has been dealing with both children and adults who are on the Autism Spectrum for over 20 years.

I showed this to her, in order to get her professional opinion on it.

She said that while on the surface it might look like a really "cool" thing to do, it shows that this person is fixated on his grandfathers belongings, and the fact that he is drawing every single nail, washer, nut and bolt is not what most people who are not on the Spectrum would do.

I asked her to give me an example that I could understand and she said sure. Remember the movie Rain Man? Dustin Hoffman's charactor Raymond was like this. He fixated on things, like memorizing each and every name, address and phone number in the phone book from A to Z, or being able to memorize every card in a deck.

But normal day to day things, like interacting with people, social skills, and other behaviors were not something Raymond could do. Like have an actual conversation with his brother about the weather, or telling him about his day.

My nephew Jack has Autism. If you tell him to draw a bird, he can't do it unless you show him a picture of a bird. Then he can copy it without having to look at it again. Or, when we play with Playdow, if I ask Jack to make me a dog, he fumbles around, and starts to get very agitated and upset. But if I show him a picture of a dog, he can then make a Playdow dog that almost looks real!!

But he can't comprehend what you just tell him to make. He is fixated on having to see things in order to draw them or make them out of clay.

His latest thing is now listening to and being fixated to music by Beethoven.

He can listen to any melody just once and then he will repeat it over and over again, and in perfect pitch and tone.

But if you ask him to make up a song and hum it, he can't.

This guy drawing his grandfathers things is on the Spectrum for Autism. He may be very high functioning, but he is there.

My wife actually said the idea to give the guy a digital camera to take pictures of his grandfathers things is a good idea.

What he is doing could take years to do, and if they ever have to sell of any of these things, or god forbid, if they move, the guy could possibly become distraught and have anxiety attacks if he can't finish what he started.

Jim

This guy is a professional, successful artist that paints, draws, etc. While he indeed might have some characteristics of autism, it is ignorant to attempt a diagnosis based on one website article, particularly when you ignore everything else available on the internet about this particular artist.

It is not as if he is only working on this project. He bounces around between art projects.

He also happens to be an art professor at a local college.
 

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This guy is a professional, successful artist that paints, draws, etc. While he indeed might have some characteristics of autism, it is ignorant to attempt a diagnosis based on one website article, particularly when you ignore everything else available on the internet about this particular artist.

It is not as if he is only working on this project. He bounces around between art projects.

He also happens to be an art professor at a local college.

There is no diagnosis on my wife's behalf. As you yourself just said, he shows some characteristics of Autism which my wife pointed out to me.

I showed this to her to get her opinion, and she suggested he may have Autism Spectrum Disorder.

One of the things my wife does on a daily basis is go into schools and shadow children who the school system thinks may have Autism.

In just a single session, my wife can point out the various markers that are there inherent in every person with Autism, and suggest ways to help them.

These markers are easy to see once you have the special training to look for them.

It is not ignorant. It is training. My wife works with Adults with Autism every single day as well.

They work in workcenters, go out into the community and work, and there are some who are so high functioning, the average person would never guess they had Autism.

There are college professors who have Autism. There are famous classically trained musicians who have Autism. And there are professional artists who have Autism.

If and when you have more years of specialized training than my wife, and you can prove her wrong, then you can call her any name you want.

But please don't call her ignorant. That just makes you look bad.

Jim
 
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that seems slightly off kilter. well maybe more than slightly.


And some of the stuff his gramps was saving was actual garbage imo. maybe its genetics..
 

kinglake

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There is no diagnosis on my wife's behalf. As you yourself just said, he shows some characteristics of Autism which my wife pointed out to me.

I showed this to her to get her opinion, and she suggested he may have Autism Spectrum Disorder.

One of the things my wife does on a daily basis is go into schools and shadow children who the school system thinks may have Autism.

In just a single session, my wife can point out the various markers that are there inherent in every person with Autism, and suggest ways to help them.

These markers are easy to see once you have the special training to look for them.

It is not ignorant. It is training. My wife works with Adults with Autism every single day as well.

They work in workcenters, go out into the community and work, and there are some who are so high functioning, the average person would never guess they had Autism.

There are college professors who have Autism. There are famous classically trained musicians who have Autism. And there are professional artists who have Autism.

If and when you have more years of specialized training than my wife, and you can prove her wrong, then you can call her any name you want.

But please don't call her ignorant. That just makes you look bad.

Jim

I wasn't attempting to call you wife ignorant (sorry if it reads that way), just that anyone attempting to make or insinuate a diagnosis based solely on an internet article is ignorant.

Recommending giving him a camera to take pictures or that there might be a mental breakdown if the items are sold is extremely over the line. Again, there is a lot of information about this individual easily available. Whether you like or dislike his art or the project itself is all fine, but there is no reason to speculate if he has autism and how he might react to the items being sold.
 

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Artist.. He lives in the world as he has chosen it to be.... Should maybe change his first name to Art.. Those drawings are truly a work of Art.
 

bgarrett

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I need to sort my 10,000 nuts and bolts and I think its a monumental undertaking that is crazy to consider but to draw nails is extreme craziness
 
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