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What did you do with your craftsman tools after upgrading?

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What Sears sold, as much as merchandise, was a sense of well being, belonging, and prosperity. Good, solid, middle class value. It's hard for us to understand in these days of rampant prosperity, where people are flooded with "stuff", and anything you want, you just go down to Wal-Mart and fill your cart with. Even those that are in our poverty class can easily buy more stuff than most people had 50 years ago. And, things that were coveted and saved for and cherished then, are now regarded by most impoverished citizens as necessities.

Even if you had to save for it, or pay for it on lay-away, everything that you got at Sears represented something that put you into the same class as your neighbors, gave you capabilities to do middle-class things, and generally improved your life. To be able to go down to Sears, buy a mechanics set and a 20 inch hand carry box to hold it in and then be able to fix every single item on your 57 chevy pickup gave the owners an unbelievable feeling of freedom and wealth and self-reliance. By investing once in the tools, they were free of the threat of a high unexpected repair bill, and gave them a solid savings in maintenance costs every time they changed the plugs, points, or oil. The household tools gave them the ability to do improvements and additions to their homes, a bit at a time, as they could afford it. Sears and what it sold represented prosperity and freedom.

No wonder people are nostalgic for it.

I'm with you on the thought that it's mediocre. As I owned Proto and SK and Wright and Indestro and Snap-on, it became apparent that Craftsman was just "good enough", not great. But, it was good enough to find it's way into 95% of the middle class homes in America. And, to improve the lives of those that had it. And, to make them feel good about it.

Amen.

For those of you who are in a profession where Craftsman tools did not meet your needs, please understand that many of us that DO NOT need tools to be at that level.

As it pertains to this thread, some of us have not had a need to buy or use tools that are better than our Craftsman tools.

I hope this thread does not turn into another pearl clutching / Thurston J. Howell III threads.
 
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Lots of hate for the concept of upgrading Craftsman. Not sure I get that???
Yes, my 90s USA cman is just fine and useable.
But yes, all of the following in my box I’ve considered to be an upgrade:
Williams USA, Williams TWN, Proto USA, Blackhawk USA, Snap On, Hazet, Carlyle TWN, SK.
 

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I understand the sentimentality.

It also helps to understand that in the 50's/early 60's there were some really cheap US made tools that were a big step down from Craftsman. I have a few, like some Western Auto brand DOE where two of the broken ends are welded back together, and seem impossibly light (hollow handles? Mystery metal?)

When Craftsman was young, Sears had a complete lineup of cheaper branded tools, many of which were of quite serviceable quality.

I'm not saying that era of Craftsman was better than what came later. I'm saying it was better differentiated from the competition. A big Sears could carry a big line-up of tools compared to a hardware store or Western Auto (which itself carried at least 2 levels of tools brands). Heck the tool department of our local Sears was as big as the entire local Western Auto.

With such a great selection (for the time), instant warranty, and a comfortable price slot cheaper than Blackhawk, Proto or Snap On but more than the cheap stuff, Craftsman became the value standard and engendered a lot of loyalty.

Which they then squandered with gimmick tools, offshoring the power tools, offshoring hand tools (bf Japan), variable quality, miserable open stock inventory (BIG, BIG DEAL there, given the warranty), at the same time everyone else copied their formula of price, warranty and value.

But for Boomers who remember how satisfied their Greatest Generation Dads were with Craftsman, it will remain forever Golden in their memory.

-HF
 

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I don't replace tools that aren't broken, I just add more tools.

I have a Craftsman socket set that has served me well since the early 1990s. I only recently put together a new tool bag including sockets specifically for working on cars, the Craftsman set will remain in use as the in the shop socket set.

I've used that Craftsman set to do a lot of work, never broken a socket or ratchet and they still look almost as good as when I bought them. I've got a Craftsman drill press, table saw, scroll saw and a little 2 gallon air compressor which are at least 15-20 years old. They still do their job just fine.

I've got a lot of non-Craftsman tools too, but what I've got isn't going anywhere as long as it continues to work.
 

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I still have all of my USA craftsman tools that I started buying over 30 years ago, I use them all the time as a serious DIYer.....I can see no reason to not use them nor " upgrade " to a more expensive brand.

Same here.
 

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I understand the sentimentality.

It also helps to understand that in the 50's/early 60's there were some really cheap US made tools that were a big step down from Craftsman. I have a few, like some Western Auto brand DOE where two of the broken ends are welded back together, and seem impossibly light (hollow handles? Mystery metal?)

When Craftsman was young, Sears had a complete lineup of cheaper branded tools, many of which were of quite serviceable quality.

I'm not saying that era of Craftsman was better than what came later. I'm saying it was better differentiated from the competition. A big Sears could carry a big line-up of tools compared to a hardware store or Western Auto (which itself carried at least 2 levels of tools brands). Heck the tool department of our local Sears was as big as the entire local Western Auto.

With such a great selection (for the time), instant warranty, and a comfortable price slot cheaper than Blackhawk, Proto or Snap On but more than the cheap stuff, Craftsman became the value standard and engendered a lot of loyalty.

Which they then squandered with gimmick tools, offshoring the power tools, offshoring hand tools (bf Japan), variable quality, miserable open stock inventory (BIG, BIG DEAL there, given the warranty), at the same time everyone else copied their formula of price, warranty and value.

But for Boomers who remember how satisfied their Greatest Generation Dads were with Craftsman, it will remain forever Golden in their memory.

-HF

You know that sums it up pretty good for me too, and do remember some of the really poor quality import tools available in the 70's when I started wrenching on my first motorcycles, that stigma often still lives on with COO

And growing up I was one guy that didn't get handed down or inherit name brand tools or to borrow from anyone



Craftsman did offer a good quality USA product (and a line of credit) to the average working man than purchasing tools thru the local auto parts stores or trucks. And they where found just about everywhere, even if you moved around.
 

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And growing up I was one guy that didn't get handed down or inherit name brand tools or to borrow from anyone

I didn't either but when I was in my 20s I worked in a hardware store for about 2 years. A few years later my wife ended up working in the same hardware store for a time. They carried Craftsman tools and had a really good employee discount which they even carried over to sales and discounted items. That helped me to build up a much nicer collection of tools than I otherwise would have been able to acquire, particularly as that was the pre-Ebay / Craigslist days.

I practically stole the scroll saw I have, it was an open box so marked down like 50%, we bought it during a sale and then they added her employee discount.
 

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I usually throw them in a bucket because they are broken. Upgrading usually just means replacing it with what I can find. I do have a Snap On 13mm wrench, but that's because it was longer than the Craftsman.
 

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Not really an answer to "upgrading" but Craftsman are my go to wrenches for modifying. You can bend and twist them like taffy to get into almost impossible locations.
Like so many here on GJ, "Why would you get rid of good tools?"
 

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I still use my Craftsman sockets from the 70's for SAE and late 80's for metric. They work great and see no reason to upgrade. The ratchets however ****. Got rid of the one I had years age to preserve my knuckles. For ratchets I have SK.
 

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Recently I bought a new project tractor/backhoethat I've been working on in my free time between work and hunting the last few months. Today I pulled the injectors and fuel filter off and brought them back to the shop to clean. I thought of this thread because my old craftsman stuff from my first set lives in a 4 drawer box on my work bench as a grab and go set. Has wrenches and sockets up to 1 1/4 and 24 mm. While my "better tools" are in my 44 inch box. I enjoyed using some of my old craftsman stuff today with my dad who gifted me most of this set when I was a kid.c6090e054cfd47a883c47a8adb7aa55a.jpg7e97e47701d2f33d9d81a71744067f71.jpg

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Still Have them and still use them. Have them in vehicle kits.
Even though I have upgraded, I still find myself using them quite often. They were my first tools.
 

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Having bought essentially all my Craftsman tools in the late 70's (pre-teen) and into the late 80's, I haven't 'upgraded' any of them. I have, over the late 80's through the late 90's, bought MAC, SnapOn, NAPA, Cornwell, Matco, SK, Stahlwille, Hazet, and Facom tools.

My original Craftsman combo wrenches and many of the sockets have been around the world multiple times (IMSA and CART Indy/Champ car wrench) over the course of 15 years. I finally wore out my first Craftsman 3/8' ratchet's guts about five years ago and went to have it taken care of. That was a painful experience. Since I had already seen that they'd switched to Asian suppliers, I knew my C'man days were done. Sad but, true.

That said, I've actually broken more MAC and Snappy tools that Craftsman. Then there's the issue of air tools. I bought a SnapOn angle die grinder in the early 90's. Not cheap. Once it blew up (within 6 months) and there was no warranty, I stopped buying their air tools. The cheapo HF/Lowes/CP stuff lasts just as long and was a tenth the price. Desoutter stuff was (is?) well worth the money. I had a drill that was beautiful to use. It grew legs, as they say. Never replaced it. Not even sure if they still make them.

The best use for HF hand tools is when you need to make a special something or other. You don't want to spend a $100 for a large Snappy combo wrench so, buy the $10 HF item, cut/weld/bend as you like and if it lasts a few uses, you're golden.
 

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My craftsman stuff is reposing under the back deck.
Been there over ten years....
 
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I never really "upgraded" per se, what I did was add to the collection in meaningful ways. I have a 26" general toolchest in the garage where all my craftsman sockets reside along with the wrenches and general tools. When the urge to upgrade comes along I make sure I buy the best for my bicycle repair bench which is not in the garage. Such as buying a complete set of wright metric wrenches and sockets so I didn't have to drop what I was doing to go find an unexpected size. I recently had to work on the snowblower and needed 2 of the same wrenches to pull off the carb, I had the wright since I bought a complete set and it was what I grabbed first but had a craftsman to use as the second. Only bought the wright in SAE so I'd have one complete set of sae wrenches. I still have too many tools to fill in before I can really do upgrades; just bought a new set of hubs to build some better wheels for the touring bicycles, now I need 2 22mm and 2 17mm cone wrenches, just bought a spline drive spoke wrench and really need to get a headset press. Kind of over rides the need to "upgrade". But any tools I buy now have to be what I would consider to be among the best, not wasting money on junk or so-so tools that I will think need to be updated someday. Besides, I have 2 boys and a girl and in 5-10 years they'll be winnowing things down and adding opportunity to get better though hopefully they'll learn to take care of things in the process.
 

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I used to keep all of my old tools when I would upgrade/update. These days, I hand them down to my 19 year old brother. Or some of the nicer stuff goes to my dad. Kind of a repayment for all the good tools of his I lost as a kid, because I didn't have the care and respect for them back then.

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This thread got me thinking...

I might take some of these old deep well Craftsman sockets and turn them down in a lathe and make them mid-depth sockets on a budget!
 
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Most of my Craftsman tools are among the best things they sold; USA made Professional and Industrial tools. I have the 84T low-profile Professional Ratchets, the full polish reverse ratcheting wrenches, the Western Forge/SK/Armstrong Professional Soft Grip screwdrivers, the flare nut wrenches made by SK, and even some of the German made Knipex stuff they sold with Craftsman badging.

All my Craftsman sockets are USA made and not a single one has broken. I guess I've never found a real need to upgrade them, but sometimes I find deals on better tools and migrate the Craftsman spares to my wood shop or basement shop inventory. Whatever I displace in that move gets put into my junkyard box, or maybe a compact emergency tool kit for my classic cars.

The thing that always gets me about Craftsman was that for the bulk of their existence, they made some damn good tools, especially for the price. Even when I am confronted with a good deal on Snap-On or Mac, I really take time to ask myself, is it really worth it? I don't wrench for a living, but I have used these tools long enough where they feel comfortable and familiar to me. Most of my new tool purchases are to supplement my existing collections as my needs expand, or just fill in the blank spot where my set was incomplete.
 

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I still have my 44994/44995/44996 set and still find them to be among the best ratchets I've ever used. The two smaller ones were USA (60T) and the 44996 was traded in after locking up and I got a L-AG (84T) in return before I realized there was rebuilds available. It doesn't actually matter though because the handles are identical. All three were getting crunchy again so I ordered the newest revision of rebuild kits which covers both USA and Asian made models and now all three are 84T. I cleaned them thoroughly and packed them with Superlube inside instead some crappy oil. I also recently ordered a full set of the standard length Nepros 90T ratchets. While they are definitely higher quality and finer mechanisms, they also were ridiculously expensive and look like works of art. I'll use them carefully and sparingly and keep on running the 4499X models for all rough work. I still find the 4499X ratchet handles to be the most comfortable and best shaped I've experienced. I had a FL80, but I'm not a fan at all. I can't stand ratchets that don't have a quick release button though. The Nepros are extremely nice and feel far finer than the 84T Craftsman even though they have just 6 more teeth, but the handles are a tad bit small to me. A little too thin in diameter and a bit short for the part you palm. They feel more like a precision instrument to be used on delicate parts than just nasty car maintenance. I also picked up the Nepros spark plug socket set and will use those without thought.
 

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My Dad's 1960~70s and my 80s era USA CMan
tools are spread out between my car hauler, the cabin and my truck bed tool box.
Still good tools.
 

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Someone mentioned they've never broken a socket. I'll second that. I've beat them with hammers and mangled the outside and used regular sockets on impact guns and never once actually broken one. All my sockets except the new Nepros spark plug set are still Craftsman of varying ages. Some were old hand me downs and some I've bought new over the years as upgrades.

I do have some of the really old, box end style, ratcheting wrenches that I replaced with a mix of newer Husky no bend, flip to reverse and Craftsman small bend switchable direction models.
 

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Post them in the classifieds here for sale, and you'll get a hundred responses from guys like the above, looking for the unobtanium sockets that were never made for the Hansen socket organizers..... Been there, done that, answered the messages!

I shall do that, I want more Craftsman sockets that have gone missing over the years. Plan is to fill every gap possible then I know exactly what’s missing.
 

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Like many (most?) of you I started my tool collection when Craftman meant made in the USA and a good value in tools. Those sockets and RP wrenches have served me well over the years. However, over time I've upgraded my craftsman hand tools to snap on, mac, williams, SK, etc. etc.

My question is what did you do with your craftsman hand tools? Did you keep them? Sell them? give them away? Pack them in a box and throw them in the basement?

In my opinion it doesn't seem like they have a lot of resell value - even the USA stuff. Don't really want to start hording stuff, but it seems like it might be better to box them up and wait for a time that will present itself. Maybe hand them to my son in 16 years?

What did you do?

If you question the resale value of US made Cman check out ebay. The prices people are paying are not to be believed. Make sure you specify USA or US made in your listing. I'm not saying you'll sell a wrench set and be able to replace it with SO but you might be surprised how close it is. I just recently put away some US made Cman sets for my children. I feel good being able to give them a good start on some decent tools down the road.
 

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I still use most of my USA Craftsman stuff that I bought when I was in my late teens. I don't see a need to replace any of it.

However, I do have a "rotation" though. When I buy something new, if it's replacing an older/lesser tool, the older one gets demoted to my road-box or the house-box. if it gets rotated all the way out of those two boxes, I'll usually wait until I get a decent pile together and sell them as a lot.
 

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If you question the resale value of US made Cman check out ebay. The prices people are paying are not to be believed. Make sure you specify USA or US made in your listing. I'm not saying you'll sell a wrench set and be able to replace it with SO but you might be surprised how close it is. I just recently put away some US made Cman sets for my children. I feel good being able to give them a good start on some decent tools down the road.

This is absolutely correct. Most of my craftman tools were kept in immaculate condition, could pass off as new. I always thought I would keep my cm stuff forever but you wouldn't believe the prices people pay for cm usa. If you have complete sets, in like new condition, present the listing well, and have patience, you can make a killing. I get really close to SO territory prices. I've sold nearly all my cm usa stuff, upgraded to better tools and still have profit.
 

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I still use quite a few Craftsman sockets and wrenches, but also have a metric assload of USA made tools put up in boxes and bags. No idea what I'll eventually do with them, maybe they will be worth enough to sell eventually.
 

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I bought Cman between 80&90 and broke a lot of the sockets. Most in the common used sizes and right out of the box. I remember a 15mm was one of the first I used, spent 3k and broke the first socket. I thought,, oh ****.
I broke something in almost every set. I bought another big set, we tested them right off and broke some. Got replacements and I can't remember any since. Never broke a wrench. Took a small collection in a few years ago when it looked like Sears was gonna go **** up.
I must have broken more out later than I thought, there is about 10 there and that is about the 3rd wave, took about 20 years or so to get them.
 

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I have most of my CM tools i bought in the late 80’s/early 90’s. I also have some older sets i got from my grand father. I see no need to replace what is not broken. If it breaks I will upgrade then. So far, I’ve upgraded a CM 3/8 corded drill and a orbital sander, a couple ratchets, and a few sockets that broke.
 

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I'm a Craftsman USA user, got my first mechanics tool set from Dad 20yrs ago for Christmas. What I have now, I have built around that set. I've bought new and I've bought used, but I usually buy what is necessary to fill the task, with the intention of keeping the tool. I don't turn wrenches professionally but I fix anything and everything in my home and vehicle that I can. And I can take care a lot of stuff.

ssdave, liked what you said about what buying at Sears represented. It was true for my family.

OP, I wouldn't get rid of the tools you've upgraded from unless you need the money to feed/house your family. Save them for your son.
 
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