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had to 'emergency' buy a t27 socket or allen type angle key.
stopped at sears, for the 1st time in a coupla years. the tool dept was half the size it used to be.
crapsman didnt have a t27 in their socket rack, nor in a set.
but.............. a chinese crapsman torx socket set was 60ish dollars.
USA lisle, had the size i needed, in a set, at $25/set. i bought two sets.
they outsource their vendor to off shore, to get a lower price.......... but, they sell for more?
 
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This might be the most ridiculous concept of the day.

Sears didn't make any actual product but they were the vehicle for small American manufacture's to get their products to market. Without them these companies might not exist at all.

Grocery stores don't make any food or grow produce. Yet we need them to get the food to the market.

Best Buy doesn't make any TVs or electronics but they're the vehicle for multiple manufacturers to deliver goods to the consumer.

Walmart doesn't make anything but they bring products to local markets

Harbor freight doesn't make anything. They're just a vehicle to deliver products from overseas to American hands.

You can bet these small factories in these small American towns wanted these contracts.


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title of thread: What happened to Sears tools?!!
In the past; Sears did their share to promote primarily USA made quality products in their catalogs.... Many USA companies built tools for Craftsman..
But today, not all, but much of this has changed..

You want a certain tool; there is a good chance a better selection, quality and price can be found via the internet..

The current day Sears? Shop there if you choose, But I look at their current offerings as a flea market,, I'd much rather look to sites such as Amazon, HJ Epstein, and other favored tool sites...
 

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" has the lion's share of the plastic/vinyl/rubber treatment market as well.

If you look around at different products you'll see that there are some companies who maintain a huge market share, regardless of price or new (or better) products introduced:

WD40
Gumout Jet-Spray

etc., etc., etc.....

What are you saying is better than WD-40? Something like PB blaster?
 

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What are you saying is better than WD-40? Something like PB blaster?

Uh almost every product released since them.


It's a good cheap way to spray down tools and stuff but as far as actually loosening stuck bolts there is a number of better products
 

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bennylava said:
"What are you saying is better than WD-40?"

WD-40 : the "WD" stands for "water displacement". it was invented to get rid of moisture/water.
works great to get a car started that's got water under the distributor cap. (just don't hose it too heavy.)
not worth a tinker's damn for loosening frozen nuts and bolts.

best product for that is K&W "Knock-er Loose", although there are few here on this site who agree with me (most likely because they never tried it.)
any of the following products are far superior to WD-40 for a "penetrating oil":
CRC
PB-blaster
Kroil
Liquid Wrench

there's a thread on it here somewhere.
 

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Ok, I admit I'm a old time sears tool junky. I have hand tools my father bought in the early 50's that still work great and I've mostly stuck to Craftsman all my life. However, I went in today to do something that I have rarely ever had to do. Replace 2 screwdrivers and a ratchet.

They had one screwdriver, and it looked cheesy even compared to the one it was replacing that was about 20 years old. The other screwdriver they don't eve carry anymore and the clerk told me basically in nice words that I was out of luck. They don't have or carry the 3/8 x 12" screwdriver with the red/clear head. What a mess.

For the ratchet, he tried to trade it for one that had a tag that said refurbished on it and it was covered in rust areas. I turned it down and squawked. Not angry at all, mind you, as they are just employees dong what they are told and don't make policy. No use giving them heartburn. I got a new one after the complaining.


This company is going to Hades in a basket at this rate.
I give up. They don't get my money anymore.

What is the ratchet/socket/wrench/screwdriver brand most used recommended nowadays?

I stopped over at Lowes on the way home and they had a very nice selection of various tools that looked good and made in Taiwan. What is the consensus on them?

I guess I'll be looking at getting a entire new set of screwdrivers and toss the old ones. I really need to anyway as the hands aren't what they used to be and some ergonomic units are probably the way to go.

Earlier on in the discussion I was bringing up the Craftsman Industrial tool line as a possible way to still be able to buy made in USA tools. I also mentioned how Sears still sells some made in USA Craftsman tools like pliers, screwdrivers, punches, chisels, hammers, etc. The last 2014-2015 Craftsman Industrial catalog I read through had a lot of the same stuff. At least I thought it did. One thing I noticed in the 2014-2015 catalog is how they narrowed down the made n USA tools to sockets, wrenches, and ratchets. It is confusing because other tools in the same catalog like pliers, screwdrivers, punches, and chisels were marketed as being made in the USA. Sears is currently selling the same pliers and screwdrivers and possibly more.

I placed an order for a Craftsman spinner handle from an industrial supplier. It had the same item number as the 9-24777 Craftsman Industrial socket set. The 2013 Craftsman Industrial catalog said the 9-24777 socket set was made in the USA and each piece in the set had an item number next to them. I uploaded a snapshot of the 9-24777 set to show what I am trying to say. When I received my spinner handle it said made in China on the packaging. The supplier wrote back and said the same socket extensions in the 9-24777 set have been discontinued. Now I do not know if part of the Craftsman Industrial tool line has been sent offshore or if they have sent it all offshore to be made. Who knows, maybe it has been dropped all together like the USA Allen line was several years ago.

If you want made in USA tools you might consider asking the manufacturer which line of USA tools is actually going to remain in production. Also you might consider contacting SK Tools, and ask them how long they will continue with their made in USA line of tools.
 

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It looks like the Craftsman Industrial line of tools did not last but from 2012 to 2015 with an interruption of USA products in 2014-2015. Any suggestions on where to find made in USA tools you can count on being around a long time?
 

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Also you might consider contacting SK Tools, and ask them how long they will continue with their made in USA line of tools.

S·K is committed to remaining 100% USA-Made. There are zero plans to import tools.
 

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I was buying a Craftsman middle box for a three piece tool box set. I had one of the larger sized bottom boxes and the middle box came up on sale. I paid for it and when I went to the loading dock they had a smaller box for me, for the same money. I had already paid for it. I had to go back in the store and explain I wanted the one on sale and not the smaller box. The salesman said "Oh, I think we might have one of those." So I got my box and I have never been a regular customer since then. I would still sometimes shop at Sears but not as much. I found that I could get good quality for usually less money.

Sears became famous for Bait and Switch in my book.

About two years ago I noticed the kids that worked in the tool dept didn't know what they were doing. I saw an open box with no name ratchets in it and when I asked what that was they said it was replacement ratchets for people who brought broken CM ratchets back.

Sears deserves to die.
 

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It looks like the Craftsman Industrial line of tools did not last but from 2012 to 2015 with an interruption of USA products in 2014-2015.

Your nine (9) years off -

MAY 20, 2003
Danaher Tool Group, Professional Tools Division Announces Details Around Their Launch of Craftsman(R) Tools Through Industrial Distribution
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...through-industrial-distribution-55717412.html


2011 - Craftsman Launches Industrial Line
http://www.inddist.com/article/2011/04/craftsman-launches-industrial-line

http://www.contractorsupplymagazine...-Craftsman-Launches-Industrial-Tools-Line.php
 

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Any suggestions on where to find made in USA tools you can count on being around a long time?

S-K
Proto
Wilde
Wright
Armstrong
Klein
Proamerica (formerly KAL)

and others. just have to look.

Snap-on and Craftsman are not the only players in the game.
 

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Just to show you guys what kind of difficulty I have had with buying a made in USA Craftsman spinner handle. The 9-24777 socket set is shown with made in USA next to it in 2013. Then the 9-34472 spinner handle is shown with made in China on the packaging. Why didn't they change the item numbers when they switched the COO? Who can I count on to make their tools in the USA and stick with it?
 

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Your nine (9) years off -

MAY 20, 2003
Danaher Tool Group, Professional Tools Division Announces Details Around Their Launch of Craftsman(R) Tools Through Industrial Distribution
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...through-industrial-distribution-55717412.html


2011 - Craftsman Launches Industrial Line
http://www.inddist.com/article/2011/04/craftsman-launches-industrial-line

http://www.contractorsupplymagazine...-Craftsman-Launches-Industrial-Tools-Line.php

I appreciate the information you provided. The only online Craftsman Industrial catalogs I have been able to find and download were the 2012, 2013, and 2014-2015 catalogs.

I am no stranger to how Danaher marketed Craftsman tools to the industrial market. However I am not so sure the Craftsman Industrial line of hand tools they marketed from 2011 to the present (not so sure if it is still around now) is the same as what they offered back in 2003. A copy of a Pro Pick statement from a 2006 Craftsman tool catalog was uploaded. These Craftsman tools were marketed to industrial customers but they were regular Craftsman hand tools that were in unique sets sold only by industrial suppliers or the same sets sold by Sears. A picture of my 3/8" drive Craftsman socket set is shown also. To my knowledge Sears did not sell these.
 

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And...any new tools I buy will be SK. Thank you


I second this. After buying a 300pc Craftsman set a couple years ago while in the middle of a repair, and being disappointed with the quality and out sourcing, I'm now committed to sending my business to SK.

Craftsman is no longer what my dad got 30 years ago and honestly the new imported Craftsman is worse than HF in many instances, but costs much more. I'm also really annoyed about the sleazy way Craftsman is trying to hide the lower quality imports by using the same part numbers etc. and their staff and support has been inexcusably poor. Website(s) is also a mess.

SK seams to be committed to quality, and at a reasonable price that I can justify for home projects. I just wish SK was easier to purchase locally when I might need something. (Though my local Sears closed last year anyway so not really any different.) Not that I don't like buying tools "Justin case" but it can be impractical most of the time. After all I find I always need the one tool I don't have on hand.
 
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A few days ago I shopped at a local Ace Hardware store and found a bunch of Craftsman hand tools in stock on the shelves. Some of the tools they had in stock were even made in the USA. They did not have the socket I was trying to find but they did have a bunch of stuff. I decided to buy a Craftsman tape measure. The tape only had a 1 year warranty that was unlike the Craftsman tape measures they stopped selling at Sears a few years ago. I thought it would look good with a set of Craftsman tools. Now I am wondering why Sears is not selling the tapes with a 1 year warranty like Ace is.
 

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S·K is committed to remaining 100% USA-Made. There are zero plans to import tools.

Thanks! I have been reading through an SK catalog trying to figure out what they have to offer. The catalog I downloaded from their website ended up being a 2012 catalog but the other members in here mentioned the 2016 SK catalog a few days ago. Now to find one.
 

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best product for that is K&W "Knock-er Loose...

CRC
PB-blaster
Kroil
Liquid Wrench

Is that in order of effectiveness?

I'll try the K&W Knocker. ... that stuff is expensive! I'm used to WD-40 prices. I should have said "Which one is the best bang for the buck"
 

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Summit still shows a lot of craftsman usa stuff, their prices seem pretty high though

Yep, they sell a bunch of the Craftsman Industrial tools. Tool Barn has had some good prices on some of the tools but some of the pricing has to be an error because it is so high.
 

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I haven't studied the treaties, trade agreements, and other laws in depth but these likely played a big role in causing a lot of tools to go offshore to be made. The lack of will of sellers to sell the USA tools cheaper have played a big role in them not selling as many as would be needed to keep things going. Hearing stories about offshore tool purchases by the government sounds damaging also. I wonder if the treaties, trade agreements, and laws can be repealed to the USA's advantage.
 

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I have a set of late 1970s SAE Craftsman combo wrenches that I have had since new. I have just discovered they were made in Japan! With no model number on them. How disappointing....
 

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. ....The lack of will of sellers to sell the USA tools cheaper have played a big role in them not selling as many as would be needed ....

That's because no matter how much they cut price or keep prices stable in the face of inflation, consumers still complain that tools cost too much.
 
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I have a set of late 1970s SAE Craftsman combo wrenches that I have had since new. I have just discovered they were made in Japan! With no model number on them. How disappointing....

Ha! Its not like they were hiding it. That's pretty funny.
 

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Thanks! I have been reading through an SK catalog trying to figure out what they have to offer. The catalog I downloaded from their website ended up being a 2012 catalog but the other members in here mentioned the 2016 SK catalog a few days ago. Now to find one.

A searchable html catalog is under construction which will be current/track inventory/introduce new products in real time.
 

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I have a set of late 1970s SAE Craftsman combo wrenches that I have had since new. I have just discovered they were made in Japan! With no model number on them. How disappointing....

Why is this disappointing? They have clearly worked for the past 40 years!
 

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Made my last purchase from anything Sears/Kmart today using a gift card I got for them not being able to warranty some tools I brought in and the counter lady being extremely short fused with myself and others doing warranty returns. Had a bunch of their China made 10, 13, 17mm sockets split on me with barely any torque applied (granted they are my beater sockets).. Just not worth going through the hassle of trying to find anything US made with Craftsman when you can buy HF stuff and KNOW it'll break at some point.

That said, all my USA Craftsman get's used nearly every day and have been performing brilliantly next to all the Hazet / Snap On gear. Both of which I've had to warranty returns too, but the tools were under much more strenuous work.
 
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