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WR250F

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I'm considering reloading for a rifle this winter.

I have a basic grasp of the process, but haven't gotten any tools yet.

What tools do you guys use for reloading ammo ?

Any hard line tools usable ? Any suggested specialty tools ?

Is other reloading stuff similar to hand tools where there is a significant difference in quality between import and domestic made items ?

Where to find out more about getting the correct tools to be able to reload ammo for a 30-06 ?
 
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Get a RCBS Rock Chucker. If you've got to pay attention at every step, you'll learn more and produce higher quality reloads. Afterwards, you can sell the aforementioned 1-action reloading press (usually without losing a dime) and upgrade to one of the more fancy units that do multiple actions.

Don't go cheap on your dies. RCBS dies are worth every penny. I've used a Lee "production pot" for a while without any problems. They seem to be pretty descent so far. One special tool that you'll definitely want is a kinetic puller. The uses will be come apparent as you start reloading ammo.

Don't go cheap on a powder scale. Get a quality unit from a reputable brand. There is nothing worse than inconsistency. Buy once-shot military brass whenever possible. You'll get more life out of it than most new brass.
 

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'06 is one of the best for reloaders. Are you going to shoot enough to merit reloading, though? 20-40 rounds per year normally not worth it.

Get at least one good basic reloading manual and read it until you not only understand what to do and not do but also why. Lyman 49th edition should be a good one. A used one is okay but if more than 10 years old, some of the powder/primer recommendations may refer to obsolete stuff. No big deal to get newer loads from the powder manufacturers.

Don't be afraid of used equipment. Check dies & powder scales carefully but most other stuff is easy enough to tell about condition. Be familiar with new prices if you go this route.

Get a kinetic bullet puller.

Most reloading is relatively simple but you really have to pay attention to what you're doing when you're doing it.
 
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I hope to reload enough to keep my garand in food for next years shooting.

This year, the kids in the family ran through all the ammo I had and when I went to buy a little more I was completely shocked how much ammo has gone up since I last bought any.

OK a good quality scale and a kinetic puller are must haves.

Are there any websites/free resources any of you can recommend that don't charge a fee to find out more about the process ? I think I have a good idea about the things involved, and have ordered a book on reloading from Bass Pro, but I'm seeing there is probably more to it than one book can cover.

I have most all of the hulls I've fired over the last few years, maybe two buckets full. I don't remember what brand they all are, but it came on the clips in a army surplus ammo can so I'm guessing they can be used to reload ?

Can any of the basic tools I use for car/motorcycle repair be used in the process, or am I looking at having to buy all specialty stuff ?
 

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Your best bet for your questions are on a firearms specific site like AR15.com

http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/42_.html

Find an active firearms site with a reloading forum and you should get several responses.

Most of my reloading gear is RCBS, ie a Rockchucker Master Reloading Kit.

I also have Piggyback 2 reloading attachments, so I can reload 223 rifle rounds.

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its mainly specialty stuff, about the only tools you might use are a couple of screwdrivers and an adjustable wrench.

You can get lee reloading equipment at a good price, however, i remember having problems with a set of hornady dies. cases always stuck, even though i was lubing well. I bought a set of redding dies, and never looked back.

You might be able to reload your cases, and maybe not. you would have to shine a light down the case and look at the primer hole. if it is two small holes, than you can't reload them. you need just one hole.

another "must have" is a way to clean your cases. a vibrating tumbler with walnut shells in it helps clean the cases, and cleaning them really does make it easier. you could get away with dirty cases once in a while, but it would become a gigantic pain in the ***.

a good priming tool is another time saver. most single stage press' come with a little arm that you can use to prime cases one at a time. it works, but its slow. you can speed it up a lot with a handheld priming tool, so you can just dump a tray of primers in, grab a tray of resized brass, and do a batch of 50 in about the time it would take you to do 10-15 with the press primer.
 

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The manual is the first thing you need. You will also need a book that specializes in reloading for either the Garand or semiauto rifles in general. There are also various firearm/reloading boards where you can get lots of info. Run searches. "The High Road" is one.

When you read the books, you will have a better idea of what questions to ask.

Some of the automotive tools you already have will be useful in mounting equipment and making some adjustments but you will need mostly specialized tools in the form of a press, dies, scale, powder measure - heck this is basically what you need
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001MKBV50/?tag=atomicindus08-20

or this:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013R86J6/?tag=atomicindus08-20

or this:
http://www.hornady.com/store/Lock-N-Load-Classic-Kit/

or this (press only - not a kit):
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/679228/hornady-lock-n-load-ap-progressive-press

There are less expensive single stage presses and kits, but some are less convenient to use. Especially the ones lacking compound leverage.

There are at least 5 progressive press mfrs, with Lee Precision being the lowest priced IIRC.

The number of presses is like the number of ratchets. So many choices!

If it matters, AFAIK they're all US made. Am not aware of any exceptions.

Here's a vid:

And another:

You can probably find more.

You said "I hope to reload enough to keep my garand in food for next years shooting." About how many rounds is that?

And how many to fire between reloading sessions?

In general, reloading equipment is a matter of speed and convenience. Are you willing to spend more time or money?

If you are using once fired military brass cases (Boxer primed only - one flash hole), the crimp around the primer may have to be removed or pressed in. Various tools for that. Unless you have primers small enough to not require this step. Maybe Winchester. Too long ago to remember.

Also since military brass is thicker than commercial brass, the powder charges are a bit less for same primer and bullet combo. Significant bit though.

There is too much info to put in a post or two.

If I had to start from zero right now, budget permitting, I would get the Hornady Lock-N-Load-Classic-Kit and later the Lock-N-Load AP Progressive Press. Dies I'd have to study about.

Again there are so many choices, except in progressive presses.

Get the books first. This is not like watching somebody do a brake job. You have got to understand the details.
 

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If I was still reloading, I would use this:

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The best straight line press ever made Schmitt
 

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I use a Lee with no issues. As others have already said, get some manuals. The great thing about reloading rour own is the ability to tailor a bullet and load to not only your rifle but the specific field conditions you'll be using it in.
 

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The wife just got me a RCBS Rock Chucker for my birthday. Been picking up some stuff to go with it and supplies. Gotta build a bench and hope to get started over the holidays.

I have ordered some stuff from Midway USA and was really happy with the service. Good quality components and quick turn around. Here is a couple thing I got that came highly recommended.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/13...with-ball-grip?cm_cat=Cart&cm_pla=ProductDesc

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/47...-and-lock-stud?cm_cat=Cart&cm_pla=ProductDesc

And here is a couple tools, althought I would think any tools you have or want to use would be fine. I just wanted some to keep in my box all in one place.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/510765/chapman-model-8900-27-piece-deluxe-screwdriver-set

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/147183/wheeler-engineering-punch-set-8-piece-brass

I figure I'll save a little money, once I recoupe the expense of getting set up. This won't take long with the cost of ammo being what it is. Plus the quality of the rounds will be much more consistant and should be better than what you can buy.
 

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I have used mainly a 1/2, 7/8 & 1-1/8 combo wrenches for taking apart the dies, plus what I used to mount the equipment to the bench.

Most of the actual reloading tools are made here. I'd reccommend RCBS, Lee and Hornady for general reloading equipment.

Dillion is kinda expensive for starting out, but it is nice stuff. Besides that you need to start slow and get into good habits so you dont blow yourself up, an automated system can come later.

Otherwise research the subject to death and do alot of reading. If you can find someone local who reloads, they can share thier knowledge of it. Internet fouroms are also a good place to start asking questions, but definatly get some reloading books/manuals to study.
 

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Like almost anything, you can spend a ton on reloading equipment, or come up on the more basic side and hold costs down.

The good news is either way the tools are generally pretty good quality. not a lot of "Chinese junk" in the reloading market since it is still in the specialty tools area.

Unless rusted to uselessness, used can be a great value for reloading.

Generally reloading comes into two categories. loading for accuracy, or reloading to get as much done in the minimum time possible. I lean towards the former myself, and for a one gun reloader, that's usually best, unless that one gun is a competitive shotgun or Competitive semi Auto pistol where a lot of ammo is consumed. I suspect you fall into the load for accuracy category, even with the Garand.

I have an urgent errand to run this AM, but later I'll get what I consider the minimum basics out and take some pics. There are several options out there for want is needed, particularly for dealing with the powder charge handling.


Where are you located?
2X on the find someone local to walk you through the process at least once, but most decent reload manuals from the bullet manufacturers normally have a great "how to" section as a forward to the loading date.
 

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+1000000 on the rock chucker. They are great little machines. Get the kinetic puller, a GOOD set of micrometers, primer go no-go gauge, reputable powder scale and don't skimp on the dies. Do you know anyone that reloads that you TRUST? What I would do is load up on manuals and reading material first, then work with said person. Then decide how far your wallet will let you get into this. Just remember that if you are not absolutely certain that everything you have done is correct and safe----START over and make it right!!!

Reloading is alot of fun. But if it is not done correctly its the same as committing suicide. Just go slow and be careful.

Gary
 

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Reloading really has never been any less expensive for me because I actually shoot more that I would if I bought factory ammo.

I'd recommend staying away from LEE tools, go with RCBS or Redding. Having used LEE in the past I just think that other brands like RCBS, Lyman, Redding and others are much more user friendly to adjust and use. But thats just my preference. Lee will yield just as accurate of ammo if you do your part.

Treat reloading the same as you would if you were packing your own parachute. Seriously! When reloading, do it in a place free of all distraction and follow the procedures.

Extra stuff that I like that rarely comes in a kit are as follows:

graduated shot glass (glass or pyrex)
powder trickler
case trimmer (lathe type)
accuarte calipers (in .001 inches measure )
good pliers (preferably vise grips)
primer pocket cleaning tool
case tumbler and media
flash hole deburr tool

Just some stuff that make my tasks go smoother.

You'll also want to figure out at what COL your bullets ogive touches the rifling in the chamber of your rifle. To do that I've done the following in the past:

Take an unprimed or decapped emply case and full length resize it. Then clamp that case into a padded vise and make two cuts down the neck crisscross down to the shoulder. Use either a Dremel or a fine hacksaw blade. The result should be a four pronged neck. Now set a bullet into the neck of that pronged case and place the cartridge into the rifles chamber and close the bolt. Next open the bolt slowly and extract the cartridge without ejecting it. Take your caliper and measure the resulting COL (cartridge overall length). Your bullet seating length should always be less than that. How much less depends on what your rifle likes for accuracy. Never seat a bullet that touches your rifling.
 
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If I were starting over again reloading for rifle, I would buy one of the RCBS starter kits, everything you need to get started except a die set and consumables. My preference for dies is Hornady or RCBS. Cant speak for Redding as I don't own any.
 
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I got my start in reloading similarly ages ago in college – reloaded for a Garand for service rifle matches, and for a few revolvers for IHMSA silhouette. My first mistake when starting was going right to a little Lee Pro 1000 progressive press for the pistols (not big enough for rifle, briefly used a low cost Lee C-frame single stage press for that) – while I eventually got a fair chunk of my money back out of it when I sold it, 20-20 hindsight says I never should've gone there to begin with. After getting frustrated enough with the Lee, I picked up a used Pacific (now Hornady) 007 O-frame single stage press and have never looked back. Bought another progressive setup later in the form of a RCBS Rockchucker and Piggyback II combination, but once again frustrations returned, so back to the trusty 007 I went (and have remained).

My recommendation - start slow with a quality single stage press setup, and learn the process thoroughly before trying to increase speed/ammo output. Even if you eventually move on to a progressive, you'll still want the single stage for load development. As far as cost-effective? Its been a really long time since I checked on actual costs (haven't done any reloading for a few years due to other priorities), but I know I used to load a box of 50 30-06 for well less than what 20 would cost off the shelf, and .357 for below a ¼ of new.

Equipment-wise, most everyone out there produces good stuff, some is just a little better than others. CH, Dillon, Forster, Hornady, Lee, Lyman, RCBS, Redding, are all quality manufacturers. I'm not a big fan of the all-inclusive starter sets, as there are differences in functionality/ease of use of different pieces – like hand tools, nobody has cornered the market on making the best of everything. If possible, try to swing by one of the big box sporting/outdoors stores like Bass Pro or Cabelas - they typically have the bigger stuff set out for display.

Load Manuals: Get a handful of current ones, not just one, so you can cross-reference load recommendations. There can be a surprising amount of variation between the same powder/bullet combinations between manuals. Lyman has IMHO the best general manual around, with the powder manufacturers being preferred sources as well. Several bullet manufacturers produce load guides, but they tend to concentrate on their particular bullet offerings, which is fine if you're using their bullets. There are also online resources available for use from the various component manufacturers.

Press: While Lee is well known as a “value-priced” line, if I was looking to replace my 007 with something other than another 007, I'd take a hard look at the Lee Classic Cast O-frame press. The Rockchucker I have doesn't have as much internal clearance as either my 007 or the Lee – something to think about with a long cartridge like the .30-06.

Powder Scale: Keep the powder scale simple with a beam scale like the RCBS 5-0-5 (which I use). Avoid electronic scales for starting out – they have their own little quirks and issues that a beginner shouldn’t have to deal with (I've got one as well, but don't use it for powder). Also get a set of check weights, as you can't be too careful when keeping powder measuring equipment calibrated.

Powder Measure: While I'm definitely no fan of Lee powder measures, most of the other brands' measures are very similar in construction and operation to the RCBS measures I use.

Dies: I've got some from most everyone. Personally, I tend to lean towards RCBS, Redding, and Forster for rifles, and Hornady for pistols. Lee is once again the “value-priced” source, but I've had issues with rusting on Lee's that I haven't had with others. Lee also uses a lock ring that locks the die to the press instead of the ring to the die – IHMO a real pain because you need to re-adjust the die every time you swap it in. For the Garand, you'll need a full length sizer die at a minimum, with a small base sizer die preferred.

Priming: There are several different methods out there ranging from on the press to handheld to a separate bench operation. Personal preference is for a Lee Auto Prime II, which sits on top of the press and primes on the up-stroke instead of the down-stroke – it has a quirk or two to be careful of, but I've been very pleased with the very consistent feel and results.

Misc: Case tray to hold processed brass upright while moving through the reloading steps. Primer pocket brush/cleaner. Lube pad/spray for rifle cases. Case gauge to check for over-length cases that need trimming (and to check for proper full length resizing). Case trimmer and case mouth reamer to trim cases down to specs if/when needed. Bullet puller/kinetic bullet remover. Calipers/gauge to measure overall cartridge length. You'll eventually want a small tumbler for cleaning cases – dirty cases scratch/foul the dies. If you're using once-fired unprocessed mil surplus brass, then you'll need either a reamer or swager to remove the primer crimp before priming the case for the first time.

Unless you're in a real hurry, you can definitely find savings by looking for used equipment. The only stuff I'd really look for new are the dies, powder scale, and the small/cheap misc stuff. Midway, MidSouth Shooters Supply, Widener's, and Graf & Sons are all good online/mail order stores for supplies and equipment (MidSouth more often than not has the better price IMHO).

Dang if that wasn't long-winded......

Oh ****, a few last comments about loading for the Garand and mil surplus brass. As stated above, mil brass is slightly smaller inside than commercial brass, so loading the same powder charge will result in considerably higher pressures in the mil case – BE CERTAIN you are using powder charge recommendations for mil brass when reloading mil brass. Mil brass also MUST have the primer crimp reamed/removed before priming the once-fired case for the first time. Finally, if you don't know what the brass was fired in, then you should definitely resize it the first time with a small base sizer die. Those are the negatives to using mil surplus brass – the benefits are that mil brass is normally cheaper to acquire, the case necks are annealed and run through the dies much more smoothly than commercial, and the case is overall thicker and stronger and should last longer under normal shooting and reloading.

The Garand gas system is very particular to a specific powder burn range – too fast or too slow a powder and you'll have cycling issues at the least to damaged op rods or worse. Lots of info available on the web, research it thoroughly.

Reloading really is a fun (and safe) hobby – just understand the (potentially) serious consequences of what you're doing if you fail to do it properly. Pretty much like anything else we do for fun or work.
 

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if i was going to reload for recreational, or match rifle use, i'd get a single stage setup, and carbide dies.
for USPSA competition or lots of plinking, then a progressive would be the way to go.

ive loaded many, many thousands of 45acp for competition on my dillon square deal.
i cant comment on anybody else's progressives, i dont have one, and have never used one.
dillon has a no BS warranty, and have never had any issues with any dillon product
i've had parts replaced that werent defective, just plain worn out, and parts that were broken when my press got dropped when i was moving.
the only thing that dillon wont replace is my d-terminator electronic scale, (i'm thinking it was damaged during the same move).

as mentioned get more than one reloading manual, the powder companies also have some good "pocket" manuals.
read through the manuals and understand what they are telling you before you ever get started.
with military brass, you'll need a primer pocket swager.


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Lee makes a pretty cool starter kit. It contains a press, a maunal, scales, PP cleaners, trickler and several other things. Lee makes great quality stuff for a pretty low price. Go up to your local outdoors store and see if they have any.
 

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When I started reloading in 1984, I used the "then" version of this:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000NOQHC8/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Plus a seperate resizing press and priming tool. A friend and I would cast our own lead bullets too. I could reload a box of .38 Specials for 51 cents. I used moderate loads so I could safely get 15 reloads from each case. I reloaded .38's, 30-06, 7mm Mauser, 8mm Mauser.

I always liked using a single stage press so I could double check each step in the process for every round.

Another friend has a Dillon progressive that he likes real well.

Coach
 

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Used equipment can have terrific value

I got lucky and scored a very nice collection of reloading stuff off CL for $50, including powder scale, funnel, RCBS JR-2 press, 4 sets of dies (2 I needed), lubrisizer, .357 mold, etc. The CL ad was obscure and the guy wanted $20 for the stuff. I gave him $50 to ease my conscience a bit. :)
 
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I'm going to head to Bass Pro and Cabelas after church tomorrow and see what some of this stuff looks like in person.

Any brands or items to stay away from ?
 

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if i was going to reload for recreational, or match rifle use, i'd get a single stage setup, and carbide dies.
for USPSA competition or lots of plinking, then a progressive would be the way to go.

ive loaded many, many thousands of 45acp for competition on my dillon square deal.
i cant comment on anybody else's progressives, i dont have one, and have never used one.
dillon has a no BS warranty, and have never had any issues with any dillon product
i've had parts replaced that werent defective, just plain worn out, and parts that were broken when my press got dropped when i was moving.
the only thing that dillon wont replace is my d-terminator electronic scale, (i'm thinking it was damaged during the same move).

as mentioned get more than one reloading manual, the powder companies also have some good "pocket" manuals.
read through the manuals and understand what they are telling you before you ever get started.
with military brass, you'll need a primer pocket swager.


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^^ This. Good advice. I put tens of thousands of rounds through my Dillon for USPSA/IPSC competition....never missed a beat. I left it set up for my competition rounds, and did all my recreational loads on a smaller Lee press since I did not rattle them off in large quantities.
 

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RCBS Rockchucker used to be an industry standard. I have heard that they are no longer made in USA. Besides your press and dies a bullet puller is VERY handy especially when you are starting out. If you do a lot of semi-auto pistol calibers a go-no-go gage is very useful as well. A clean light colored work surface and good lighting are a must.
 

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I'm going to head to Bass Pro and Cabelas after church tomorrow and see what some of this stuff looks like in person.

Any brands or items to stay away from ?

For better pricing ( I'm very sure) check out Midwayusa.com, they carry just about everything at reasonable prices. Grafs also is a good supplier (more so for components though).

Lyman, RCBS, Hornady, Lee, Dillon, Forster. Any of these brands are what you want for quality. You cant go wrong with these brands, but there isnt really much import **** when it comes to reloading.

Lee may not be the most favored brand, but they have started alot of people out reloading, including me. They are kinda like the Craftsman of the reloading world. The one thing I dont care for is thier powder handling equipment (the dipper set I do like though). It may work fine, but it seems/deels cheap.
 

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^^ This. Good advice. I put tens of thousands of rounds through my Dillon for USPSA/IPSC competition....never missed a beat. I left it set up for my competition rounds, and did all my recreational loads on a smaller Lee press since I did not rattle them off in large quantities.

back when i was shooting a lot of rounds, i'd buy my bullets in bulk, usually 8-10k at a time, switch the press over, load up 2 -3K rounds of 38sp, then switch over and load up 5-6k rounds of 45acp.

between shooting uspsa, bowling pins, and practice, i could easily run up to a 1000 rd's a week of 155gr swc 45's.
i dont shoot much anymore, life kinda got in the way of having fun :wtf: , and finding a reliable local source for my bullets is a PITA.

i bought a couple of lee loadall shotgun presses off ebay for $30, and salvaged 400-500 once fired AA hulls from a gun club i belonged to



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I've never reloaded highly accurate rifle rounds, but for turning out large volumes (5k+ per year) of handgun ammo, I use a Dillon 550B.
 

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I would suggest an antistatic wrist band, don't see one listed by anybody else but would think it would be a good safety device, fire safety plan, safety glasses. And a lot of common sense, since you are using explosives. Don't mix with other hobbies on same bench as leftover or spilled powder would not go good with welding.
 
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