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I'm curious what the consensus is on the Craftsman V-Series line?

So I gather the ratchets are a BIG (n)
The wrenches and sockets appear to be solid (?), but too many skipped sizes make them tough to get excited about?
Same for the DBE ratcheting single-flex wrenches?
What about the hex bits and the X-Tract technology ... RBRT lookalike?
Screwdrivers / Multibit screwdrivers?
Am I missing anything?

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I personally don't have a lot of faith in Craftsman as a brand anymore from a warranty standpoint. They have changed hands so many times since the Sears/Kmart merger back in 2004.

Most of the tools look nice & appear well made, but Ace hardware won't warranty non-Ace Craftsman, Same with Lowes. Now NAPA sells Craftsman & while I haven't asked my local NAPA, I suspect they won't warranty non-NAPA Craftsman.

Very few if any of the V series appear to be exclusive to the Craftsman label. With that said, why buy the Craftsman branded tool with a questionable warranty going forward.

I really wish someone would buy the Craftsman name/line & make it what it once was. I doubt that will happen & suspect that Craftsman will remain as a "tossed around" brand that moves in & out of different retailers with very little interest to the tool world.

If NAPA was smart they would buy the name, be the exclusive retailer & move all manufacturing to north America. They could focus on mechanics tools & bring the Craftsman name back from the dead. Unfortunately, I suspect that the discount auto parts guys have all but put NAPA out of business. NAPA now sells foreign-made junk to compete with the discount guys & has all but disappeared from the major metropolitan areas of the USA. Living in Alaska it pisses me off that NAPA is the only game in town but sells the same **** as AutoZone at a higher price. To get quality parts I have to mail order & pay a premium for shipping to Alaska.

Rant over & god bless Craftsman.
 

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Stanley owns them and also owns Facom among other brands.

2017: On January 5, news reports indicated that it would acquire the Craftsman brand from KCD, LLC (a Sears Holdings subsidiary).[26]Subsequent reports by Bloomberg indicated that the company would pay $525 million initially, an additional $250 million after three years, as well as annual payments on new Craftsman sales for 15 years
 

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A poorly executed and marketed brand launch. :wtf:
Limited offerings, only available online doom the product line.
Skipping 15 & 18 mm sizes in ratcheting wrenches is unforgiveable.
SBD overlooked the fact that most diehard Craftsman fans loved the original V Series tools and would never accept a new line that wasn't made in the USA.
I was anxious to buy the Craftsman V series but, was disappointed in the ratchets which seem to make up the bulk of V Series offerings and the lack of open stock also *****..
The concept of rebadging USAG/Facom tools under the Craftsman banner had endless possibilities but, SBD did it on the cheap so, it won't be successful.
 

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It seems to me the V-Series is a pinch-hitter in the absence of Craftsman Professional.
Those are big shoes to fill, but it seems they are trying.
However, some decisions leave me scratching my head.
 

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The main problem with the V series line is price. The ratchet mechanism IIRC looks like it's the same as the gun metal chrome ratchets. The market is awash with competing made in Taiwan options. The RBRT bits IIRC are only good for 50 percent rounded fasteners whereas the Mac ones are 100 percent. Those rebranded Facom screwdrivers are a hard sell at the prices they are asking with all the screwdriver options available.
 

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This fits into the file folder with the label "WHO CARES." There are so many better choices (in particular HF ICON) that the "V" series is irrelevant. The only value this concept ever had was "MADE IN AMERICA." If that's not the case why would anybody buy this over TOPTUL, Carlyle or any of the tool truck brands at the price point SBD is asking for this ****.
 
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I appreciate all of the responses. I recall when the new line was announced last year many GJers were pretty pumped, though a combination of high prices, skipped sizes and less-than-stellar ratchets had dampened enthusiasm ... sounds like nothing has changed.
 

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when Cman was one of the few choices out there it was what every used or wanted, Bob Villa made sure to stick it in your face with all the commercials he did for them. Face the facts-the stuff was the Ryobi of its day, cheap **** that the home owner and DIY person could use. Even in the last 20-25 years besides rebrands of good stuff, anything they carried with their name on it was not much better than your standard fare you could get elsewhere. I have some Cman from the 60's and 70's, the quality is MUCH better and it shows. But its still not anything to write home about.

The new stuff isnt any better or worse than most other offerings these days.
 

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One thing is I think the GJ audience tends to overestimate the amount of nostalgia the general public has for Craftsman. Those of us that helped dad in the garage as kids probably didn’t pay too much attention to the brand stamped on the wrench. And if we did, a good chance it was felt to be just a normal thing dad bought at the store - no ceremony to it. The stuff my dad treasured wasn’t generally the CM stuff.

Calling it series V could have been a good way to link with the past and try to tell a tale of resurgence, but I don’t think it would have been public awareness of the V marking that would drive it - it would have to have been well crafted marketing, which hasn’t seemed to happen.
 

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The V Series combo wrenches seem like a decent value, the I beam style looks comfortable. They got generally good reviews when they were called Mac Precision Torque :bounce:.
 

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The V Series combo wrenches seem like a decent value, the I beam style looks comfortable. They got generally good reviews when they were called Mac Precision Torque :bounce:.
Apples and oranges. The MAC precision torque are long pattern with anti slip open ends. The Craftsman V series wrenches are much shorter and don't have anti slip open ends. Nice wrenches probably from the same Taiwan factory but, with fewer features.
Probably a copy of this set at a much lower price:
 

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Apples and oranges. The MAC precision torque are long pattern with anti slip open ends. The Craftsman V series wrenches are much shorter and don't have anti slip open ends. Nice wrenches probably from the same Taiwan factory but, with fewer features.

Ah, you are correct. Here's some pics I stole off the internet. Interesting that the anti-slip design doesn't have serrations, I wonder if it would be less likely to mar a fastener at the expense of overall grip.
 

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I've bought the SAE shallow and Metric deep 3/8 drive sockets. I plan to add the SAE deep/Metric shallow when they go on sale.

I don't need them at all. Going in my stash of tools for my son. Since he's only two, I've got some time to wait for sales. :ROFLMAO:

Fit and finish is really nice IMO and the magnetic storage trays make the sets a pretty good deal at $50ish a set on sale.

I probably won't buy any of the wrenches unless they start offering no-skip sets.
 

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I can only comment on what I own but overall I'm very pleased. I dig the storage rack that the combination wrenches come in. Being able to discern all the wrenches quickly and not having them ******* in a roll or taking up the space that the Ernst grippers do is nice. The finish on the wrenches is very good, especially if you like bright chrome. I haven't had any flaking, bubbling, peeling, or miscellaneous grind marks/asymmetrical finishing. The open ends are indeed plain but that's why I own them. I've really started to dislike how my Wright sets mar the living **** out of the cheap and/or more malleable metal fasteners at work and at the house. The fit is much better than my other Craftsman sets. In fact, my V Series open ends fit as well as my Stahlwille open ends (not scientifically proven, just going on experience and play from use at work). I'm not saying they are comparable overall, just that the broaching on these particular wrenches are really good and consistent. No premature wear or slipping or opening up either on the open ends. The box end broaching on all is centered and clean. The I-beam does make them ergonomically friendly and they don't dig into my hands when I'm cranking on them. They are definitely shorter, however. The smaller sizes like the 1/4, 5/16, and 7/8mm are like midget wrenches. They have the same offset as the Facom and Mac wrenches so it took me a bit to get used to it. The sizes for the regular combo wrenches do skip, but not that many. I think the 9mm isn't in the metric set and I think the SAE set is pretty much complete. I personally like them a lot and believe they are a good buy if you aren't a huge wrench turner or if you want a decent convenient set. Another plus is that the regular V Series combo wrenches go on sale with Craftsman's regular promos. Most of their V Series line doesn't seem to go on sale often, if at all.

The French-made screwdrivers are pretty nice. The grip is kind of like this weird pseudo-rubber. It's shaped and feels like a Wiha driver on Weight Watchers. So the neck is thinner and the bulbous backend doesn't quite fit my palm as well due to the smaller profile. But they aren't uncomfortable and turn really nice in your palm. They do have hex bolsters on them which is awesome. The blades are holding up well. I don't think they are any better than my German-made screwdrivers and they are leaps ahead of my older US Craftsman drivers. I don't know if I would personally recommend a full set due to their costs and that they are very, very rarely on sale. You can get a much larger Wiha set for about $15 more and they sometimes have deals or coupons available to negate that price difference.

The biggest downsides for the V Series line are that it is limited in offerings, has a very light store presence, and many of the items are non-competitively priced against better-known brands. I think only one ACE hardware in my whole metro area has the V Series on their shelves and Lowes only has the items online (though they are having a bit of a sale for the line-up which is nice). Personally, I like their regular combination wrenches. I've been thinking about ordering a set of ratcheting wrenches even with the skipped sizes but not being able to feel the ratcheting action is kinda keeping me from pulling the trigger. I cannot comment on the sockets or ratchets but I've noticed the former has had many positive reviews while the latter seems to have a negative reputation. I don't believe Craftsman did as poorly with the launch as many on here do, but I also feel like the V Series is kinda orphaned much like the gunmetal chrome stuff.
 
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Thank you for your comments, much appreciated ... with regard to the orphaned tools, this does seem to be a recurring theme with SBD.
No problem! I’m not trying to dissuade anyone because I believe the V Series tools are pretty good. But with the inevitable arrival of Craftsman US-made tools this winter and their cheaper raised panels and basic chromes from Asia, I don’t really know where the V Series and gunmetal stuff fits in long-term.
 

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Stanley-Black&Decker's main reason for buy the Craftsman brand from Sears was to ensure no one else got the brand. The name is still recognizable, and marketable, so they wanted it. However, they didn't seem to know what to do with it, other than rebrand existing tools with the Craftsman logo.

I hope the Ft. Worth plant is an indication that SBD will take things seriously. I'm looking forward to made-in-USA tools using US steel, but I expect the prices to be high.
 

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I hope the Ft. Worth plant is an indication that SBD will take things seriously. I'm looking forward to made-in-USA tools using US steel, but I expect the prices to be high.
I am disappointed they went with imported mechanisms on the ratchets after all the USA hype.
 
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I am disappointed they went with imported mechanisms on the ratchets after all the USA hype.
I am, frankly, disappointed with everything related to SBD.

I was the most optimistic person on this board when SBD bought Craftsman ... but over the last five years, my attitude towards Craftsman, Dewalt, and Proto has soured considerably.

Milwaukee may not be perfect, but it's a well-managed company that seems to be moving in the right direction.
 

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Just saw this browsing thru Lowes. Only one.on the shelf, so maybe an online return?

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So what was on the shelf?

I know many of you guys really want new SBD Made in the USA Craftsman tools so, I'll leave that for another thread.

I've acquired most of the Craftsman V series line up I was interested in getting through sales and coupons. I'm tired so, if I repeat myself, I apologize. I have the following V series tools: 1/4 drive compact set, 3/8 & 1/2 drive socket sets. The ones in a neat carrying case where the long extension forms a carrying handle, flush cut dykes, two piece screwdriver set #2 phillips & flat tip (just to get a feel), the metric hex bit set with X-Tract technology, the metric combination wrench set 7-19mm in the Facom/usag copied carrying case, and the long eye beam wrench set with a fixed six point boxed end on one side, and a ratcheting 72 tooth flex head on the other end.
Overall, the stuff is overpriced by old Craftsman standards but, cheaper than the current USAG versions they cloned from. Overall fit, finish, and feel are really good to great (aside from the ratchets). Now for the misses: 1. Craftsman has to be really stupid not to include 15 & 18 mm sizes in their ratcheting wrench sets. Not everybody works on only Japanese vehicles. 15 & 18 are very common on many late model vehicles. 2. The ratchets could be so much better than they are. Non serviceable ratchet heads, heads that are thick and bulky, back drag off the chart it's so high, strangely shaped comfort grip handles, a comfort grip so small on 1/4 drive ratchets, that it's useless. I think the ratchets are the weakest link in the V series line up. 3. The six point fixed boxed ends on the XXL ratcheting single flex head double box end wrenches are not radiused (as in off corner engagement). it means the boxed end won't easily fit over rusty/corroded fasteners. 4. Poor marketing plan. It's almost like SBD Craftsman doesn't want to sell the Craftsman V series tools. The limited offerings are hidden on lowes and ace hardware web sites. no in store presence aside from a possible return sitting on a shelf. You have to seek the tools out and their online descriptions ****. I'm not sure why Craftsman even developed the V series unless they were looking for a filler line while the US Plant gets up and running. End of rant, have a good week :beer:
 

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3. The six point fixed boxed ends on the XXL ratcheting single flex head double box end wrenches are not radiused (as in off corner engagement). it means the boxed end won't easily fit over rusty/corroded fasteners.

Leaving off the radiused corners is a big flop.
 
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Now for the misses: 1. Craftsman has to be really stupid not to include 15 & 18 mm sizes in their ratcheting wrench sets. Not everybody works on only Japanese vehicles. 15 & 18 are very common on many late model vehicles. 2. The ratchets could be so much better than they are. Non serviceable ratchet heads, heads that are thick and bulky, back drag off the chart it's so high, strangely shaped comfort grip handles, a comfort grip so small on 1/4 drive ratchets, that it's useless. I think the ratchets are the weakest link in the V series line up. 3. The six point fixed boxed ends on the XXL ratcheting single flex head double box end wrenches are not radiused (as in off corner engagement). it means the boxed end won't easily fit over rusty/corroded fasteners. 4. Poor marketing plan. It's almost like SBD Craftsman doesn't want to sell the Craftsman V series tools. The limited offerings are hidden on lowes and ace hardware web sites. no in store presence aside from a possible return sitting on a shelf. You have to seek the tools out and their online descriptions ****. I'm not sure why Craftsman even developed the V series unless they were looking for a filler line while the US Plant gets up and running. End of rant, have a good week :beer:

That's a long list of FAIL ... and now represents the second failed "launch" under SBD's management!
 

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I've always liked the Craftsman =V= sockets. I guess mostly because I like older construction. I have an entire set of 1/2 & 3/8. I just picked up this set of 3/8 standard deep sockets. Call me crazy but the A seems to be more pointed on my 1/2 sockets compared to these 3/8 deeps. I don't think these are the newer V series Craftsman has came out with? These are stamped =V= & no part number like the oldies. Maybe these weren't used that much. Any thoughts??
 

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Yes, just not used too much. They swapped from pointed A to flat-top A later in the =V= series, before switching to -V-.
 

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I personally don't have a lot of faith in Craftsman as a brand anymore from a warranty standpoint. They have changed hands so many times since the Sears/Kmart merger back in 2004.

Most of the tools look nice & appear well made, but Ace hardware won't warranty non-Ace Craftsman, Same with Lowes. Now NAPA sells Craftsman & while I haven't asked my local NAPA, I suspect they won't warranty non-NAPA Craftsman.

Very few if any of the V series appear to be exclusive to the Craftsman label. With that said, why buy the Craftsman branded tool with a questionable warranty going forward.

I really wish someone would buy the Craftsman name/line & make it what it once was. I doubt that will happen & suspect that Craftsman will remain as a "tossed around" brand that moves in & out of different retailers with very little interest to the tool world.

If NAPA was smart they would buy the name, be the exclusive retailer & move all manufacturing to north America. They could focus on mechanics tools & bring the Craftsman name back from the dead. Unfortunately, I suspect that the discount auto parts guys have all but put NAPA out of business. NAPA now sells foreign-made junk to compete with the discount guys & has all but disappeared from the major metropolitan areas of the USA. Living in Alaska it pisses me off that NAPA is the only game in town but sells the same **** as AutoZone at a higher price. To get quality parts I have to mail order & pay a premium for shipping to Alaska.

Rant over & god bless Craftsman.
I am not sure I understand the “changed hands so many times” comment. The brand changed hands once. Do you mean the contracted manufacturing?
 

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I am not sure I understand the “changed hands so many times” comment. The brand changed hands once. Do you mean the contracted manufacturing?
I think this poster is talking about Napa and the myriad brand names of hand tools they attempt to market.
 

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I have the 1/2 drive V series standard ratchet IMO it is good quality tool. Will invest in more V Series/future CM USA tools. Time will tell as far as durability but it should last a long time for this home gamer. Great backup to Snap on 1/2 drive ratchet S80A for the road.
 

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I have the 1/2 drive V series standard ratchet IMO it is good quality tool. Will invest in more V Series/future CM USA tools. Time will tell as far as durability but it should last a long time for this home gamer. Great backup to Snap on 1/2 drive ratchet S80A for the road.
Current production? How's the backdrag?
 

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Curious on any feedback on the hex bit X-Tract technology as well. Based on pics these don't look like they have the same profile as MAC/Proto RBRTs. For some reason to my bad eyes they look closer to Wera hex plus.

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I know this is an old post but, I have had set of Craftsman socket bits for at least 30 years and recently replaced the bits part with WERA + in the sockets of those sizes that we’re worn.
 
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