Whats wrong with my impact gun?

[fr0mastaj]

I swear i've read a thread with this question before, but i am unable to find it via the search.

Well anyways. I have a brand new IR 2115QTiMAX that I purchased off of ebay. When it arrived, everything did look indeed brand new. Its been 40 days since it was delivered and i finally hooked it up this morning. It spins and i hear the anvil hitting with no load, but once i hold onto the socket or put it on a bolt, all it does is lock up and shoot air out the exhaust. I am pretty sure its not my line - because i hooked up his big brother, the 2135QTiMAX to the same line, and that had no problems zapping off the bolt (and hurting my hand when trying to grip the socket). Did i get scammed?

I have tried all the power settings, forward/reverse, upping PSI to 120 - no dice.
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[tweety652]

sounds like the vanes on the airmotor are seized up. try putting quite a bit of oil in it and letting it soak for a day or two

 

[fatboy99]

Grease the hammers thrue the fitting if there dry they can hang up on the anvil and stall the motor

 

[mrholeshot]

i know you prob already did this but never discount the obvious. Make sure the forward reverce buttons are fully engauged and make sure the torque setting on the rear is on the dot you want. You may want to try to hold the trigger down and forward and reverse it several times. How is this guys feedback?

 

[wafrederick]

There was a product out and no longer available anymore after 9/11/2001.you poured the stuff in and let it soak overnight,this stuff worked.

 

[mrholeshot]

Put some marvel mystery oil in it and let it sit.

 

[emeraldcoupe]

the rotor could be broken, or the anvil could be broken,or a hammer could be broken. i repair a lot of them.

 

[mark40sw]

the rotor could be broken, or the anvil could be broken,or a hammer could be broken. i repair a lot of them.

Agree with this...

I used to work at a place that used these to death. Taking them apart in not difficult to access the impact end.

When the gun spins under no load, but stalls under load with no impacts, the anvil may be cracked where the hammers hit. We where able to order extra anvils.

If the air motor vanes wear to a concave on one side, they could stick down in the motor rotor and cause loss of power. Common on not oiling motor regularly.

 

[jay50]

Me thinks the OP got $hitted with an evil-bay scam where someone gave your new impact the "old guts" out of a used one.

 

[Simplespeed]

Fits the same description as my old IR. The anvil was cracked. I replaced it and used it a few days and pulled the trigger on a new one. Iv been using the old one alot more recently though.

 

[srmofo]

Ive seen worn out hammers, unlikely if everything looks new

damaged anvils, again unlikely

hammers installed wrong. They have to go in one way and its easy to mix them up. It produces the same thing your talking about.

You'll love the QTimax, although the owner doesnt really benefit from how quiet it is. I only notice how quiet it is when someone else uses it and Im a few bays away.

 

[mrshaun]

I saw one where the rotor cracked in half and it sounded like that. but if it is truly new then the vanes would be my first step. soak the thing

 

[Marlin]

If the tool was supposed to be new you should be able to look at the square drive and determine if it has been used. If the square drive is not worn then try greasing the mechaism. If the tool runs fine while free speeding there is no need to soak the motor with anything. If greasing does not work then check the hammer orientation as someone already mentioned, the two hammers should in opposite orientation.

 

[daveblank]

If it's running without pulling the trigger, order an air inlet parts kit & install it. 99% of the time, that will get you fixed up.

 

[fr0mastaj]

Sorry for the late response. So i took your advice and put about 10 drops of oil into the inlet, let it spin and sit for a few hours. Now it seems to be operating OK!

But i would prefer to do this grease thing as an extra measure...i dont see a fitting on the gun. Unless i just dont know what im looking for?
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[wafrederick]

Grease fitting is on the outside hammer mechanism housing.I have never greased my IR impacts and hold up.The grease dries up overtime and effects performance

 

[billymade]

http://www.google.com/products?clie...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CDcQrQQwAg

 

[srmofo]

Sorry for the late response. So i took your advice and put about 10 drops of oil into the inlet, let it spin and sit for a few hours. Now it seems to be operating OK!

But i would prefer to do this grease thing as an extra measure...i dont see a fitting on the gun. Unless i just dont know what im looking for?

make sure you use it to remove several lugnuts before you call it fixed. Hammer issues tend to pronounce themselves while being used not just spinning against your hand

 

[emeraldcoupe]

sounds like the vanes on the airmotor are seized up. try putting quite a bit of oil in it and letting it soak for a day or two

if they were stuck in the rotor the gun would just blow air.if it runs with no load and won't with a load, i still say it's going to be a broken anvil,hammer,or rotor.

 

[fr0mastaj]

make sure you use it to remove several lugnuts before you call it fixed. Hammer issues tend to pronounce themselves while being used not just spinning against your hand

You're right, i was too optimistic. I went to zap off a few rust 6mm bolts with it and it intermittently locked up again If I remove it from the bolt, spin it freely, then try again, it works.

I purchased the IR grease kit for metallic impacts... Do I have to tear this puppy open and see whats wrong with it??

EDIT: This guy had, and still has 100% feedback. A few of his recent feedbacks were for the same gun too... bah...

And when i received it, the square drive was definitely brand new, no wear marks at all.
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Arlington assembly

 

[srmofo]

Im almost positive at this point that the hammers are installed backwards. It only takes a few minutes to tear the gun apart. Just go easy on the torx fasteners. They're really long and can be snapped if you wrench too hard.

Unfortunately, if your not familiar with the guns it will be hard to tell if they are installed right. Was this a rebuilt gun, or a BNIB? On the plus side it will give you a chance to inspect the inside and make sure theres nothing shady going on. Theres should be very little wear on the parts.

If you take some good pictures while taking it apart, I can try to do my best to help.

 

[JASTECH]

Sounds like the seller is honest, I would notify him of the situation. Hope it all works out for you.

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[fr0mastaj]

Im almost positive at this point that the hammers are installed backwards. It only takes a few minutes to tear the gun apart. Just go easy on the torx fasteners. They're really long and can be snapped if you wrench too hard.

Unfortunately, if your not familiar with the guns it will be hard to tell if they are installed right. Was this a rebuilt gun, or a BNIB? On the plus side it will give you a chance to inspect the inside and make sure theres nothing shady going on. Theres should be very little wear on the parts.

If you take some good pictures while taking it apart, I can try to do my best to help.

It was sold as BNIB, and appeared that way. Came with the warranty card and everything. Although not sure if the warranty even works for ebay purchases...

So do I just look for torx bolts on the body and start removing them? I will try to open it up this evening and take pictures as I go so you guys can tell me if anything whacky is going on inside.

Thanks for all the help fellas!
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Hot box vaporizers

 

[billymade]

Before tearing it down; I would contact IR, according to the item description: "All of this power and control is further enchanced through a FREE two year warranty with product registration." Contact IR and see what they can do for you... AND DON"T TELL THEM YOU BOUGHT IT OFF OF EBAY!

To register your product; goto: http://www.ingersollrandproducts.com:80/IS/Category.aspx-am_en-35468

To contact IR goto:
http://www.ingersollrandproducts.com:80/IS/Category.aspx-am_en-31038

Toll Free contact #: 1-866-429-4717 (USA/CANADA only)

 

[srmofo]

Before tearing it down; I would contact IR, according to the item description: "All of this power and control is further enchanced through a FREE two year warranty with product registration." Contact IR and see what they can do for you... AND DON"T TELL THEM YOU BOUGHT IT OFF OF EBAY!

To register your product; goto: http://www.ingersollrandproducts.com:80/IS/Category.aspx-am_en-35468

To contact IR goto:
http://www.ingersollrandproducts.com:80/IS/Category.aspx-am_en-31038

Toll Free contact #: 1-866-429-4717 (USA/CANADA only)

ditto this. I was under the impression it was used or slightly used. If they cant do anything for you, then come back.

The only thing holding the gun together is the 4 torx bolts that appear on the back of the gun. It falls apart after those are out so it should be a easy fix either way.

 

[fr0mastaj]

When i looked through the site to get warranty service, they just tell me to go to my nearest IR repair center. Which is apparently in NY, i am in Boston - so that isnt happening...

So if I loosen/remove the 4 torx bolts on the back of the housing, will everything just completely fall apart? Or will i be able to slide it out and take a pic for you guys? I dont want to risk not being able to put it back together or losing pieces. The exploded diagram looks intimidating!
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[billymade]

Did you call: Toll Free contact #: 1-866-429-4717 (USA/CANADA only)? If you take it apart; you mostly likely will void your warranty.... you have 2 years warranty; why are you even considering "repairing" the tool yourself? Am I missing something here?

 

[Marlin]

What about:
AHC Corp
203-205 OAK STREET
PembrokeMA02359
USA
phone: 7818269464fax: 7818260619
Sales : NoService : Yes
23 mi

or

Ingersoll Rand Customer Center
908 Turnpike Rd
ShrewsburyMA01545
USA
phone: 508-842-5769fax: 508-842-5970
Sales : YesService : Yes
59 mi

If they are too far and you want to open up the tool, I will walk you through it and make sure you get it back together and working. If there is any internal parts problems I will make sure you do not have any warranty issues.

 

[fr0mastaj]

Hm, that's weird. When I plugged in my zip code, it told me that holbrook, ny was my closest option. I will see what the AHC guys can do. The shrewbury location is too far for me. Thanks!
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[fr0mastaj]

Finally got around to trying to get warranty work done on my gun, and looks like it will be a no go. I would have to have the original bill of sale to get the warranty apparently? Which i dont have, since i bought it off a ebay a while ago. Also requires me to ship it out, blah.

Is anyone still able to help me if I open it up and take some pictures?

Thanks!
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[scott37300]

I have not taken apart your model but have taken apart a bunch of IR 231s and impacts are really simple to take apart.

Just start tearing it down and make sure you do it in a clean area so you can find anything you might drop, sometimes I use a big tupperware storage container so things can't go flying. Go slow and make sure you pay attention to how things come apart, I like to line everything up in the exact orientation it comes apart so you can't accidently put peices in backwards.

 

[amolaver]

i had never greased my 2131 before and felt like i should. just as i was about to order the magic greasing kit, someone wrote here that you could just open it up and grease it by hand. and, this method would be faster, plus you got a lot better feel for how much grease was appropriate (based on what was in there). i was a little nervous about opening it up as i really depend on that gun...but it wasn't bad at all.

assuming your 2135 is like my 2131, hold the gun square drive down and remove the 4 torx on the back (surrounding the power knob and direction selector). they are loooong but small in diameter. once they are removed, hold the gun like you were using it - right hand on the grip - but keep the square drive down, facing the bench. keep the drive a 1/2" or so off the bench and lightly tap the side of the gun with a rubber mallet or pull down on the front of it. it should split - front metal housing from the back plastic and a red/orange gasket should be visible, but don't pull things apart yet. you'll see essentially 4 assemblies - (1) back housing w/trigger etc, (2) front metal housing, (3) the impact assembly which has the square drive on one end and a female splined shaft on the other and is inside (2) , and (4) the motor assembly which lives inside (1).

once the case is split, turn it so the square drive is parallel to the ground like you were going to zip off some lug nuts and SLOWLY take the front housing and impact assembly off the rear housing / motor. remove the square drive/impact assembly from the front case. be careful as the square drive portion can slide out of the hammer assembly - if i recall correctly, you could hold the impact assembly with the square drive pointing down, and it was stable. you should see grease on the inside of the front housing and all over the impact assembly. add more - i gave a decently thick coat to the inside of the housing and slathered the impact assembly / hammers.

at least on my 2131, there is a cloth filter (i guess its a filter) around the motor / between the motor and the inside of the rear case. nothing secures it, so if the motor starts to come out of the rear housing it might be a little fiddly getting the motor back in.

and as the old saying goes, assembly is the reverse be careful as you mate the front/rear case halves as there is a groove for the gasket to sit in on the rear housing - pre-seat it and make sure it doesn't move as you screw it back together.

sounds more complicated than it is - these really are fairly simple things (thanks to elegant design).

ahm

 

[tonydanzah]

if i can find a torx i will take mine apart with pictures

its seriously easy, nothing really to fall out. I took mine apart when it was working fine just to see how it worked.

 

[tonydanzah]

now get to it

 

[diesel research]

Is anyone running a lube other than the composite impact specified grease?

 

[fr0mastaj]

I bought and used this lube: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000E0TC82/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Is that not the correct one for the Ti series?

Tony, thanks for the pics! Will take apart and take pictures now...
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[fr0mastaj]

Heres mine... The last few pictures are of the hammer i assume? How do I know if its installed backwards?

Also, sorry for the crappy phone camera pics...only camera i have.

EDIT: So after playing with it for a little while... I think I can see how the hammer can be installed incorrectly. Should the anvil fit into the round concave of the hammer, or outside of the concave? I assume outside of it?? Is that what you guys are talking about - backwards?

It fell out, so I did not take notice what orientation it was originally in...
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[yellowbox]

sorry for your trouble
when will people learn ebay/craigslist is a hit and miss thing , usually not worth the trouble

 

[srmofo]

http://www.irtechpubs.com/ir_pdfs/Tools/Impact Tools/Air Impactools/04584041_ed2.pdf

sorry its hard to tell without holding it in my hand and I dont think the manual will help you much

 

[tonydanzah]

Is anyone running a lube other than the composite impact specified grease?

i have been using either mobil red high pressure grease or mystik red high pressure grease it entire life of 5yrs and i bought it used. Seems to work well and doesn't ever harden. I have a high pressure needle tip for my grease gun that lets me shoot it in the hammer area. I normally just pour some atf down the intake to lube the vanes.