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bigdummy30

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example scenario that id love to hear answers to:
i live in america ,i love america ,i love working ,i really love working with tools to make a living, i make a below average living, again i love america but CANT afford to buy american made tools or toolboxes....do i quit working all together??

just wondering what you guys would expect someone in this situation to do....
 
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Everyone has to live within their means. Do your homework and buy the best of what you can with the money you have to spend. If that means, Harbor Freight, then it is what it is.

I don't think anyone can fault you for not owning $100k of Snap-on tools if you work a $7.50hr job.
 

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I say Be patient and look on cl and ebay for USA tools.The deals are out there.
 

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I didn't buy any "expensive" US made tools until I made 6 figures and even then it was Craftsman. I did plenty of work before that with el cheapo tools - contrary to popular belief (this forum) they worked perfectly fine.

I remember working my first "real" job out of college making low 20's and doing my brakes in the back of a mall parking lot with a Dollar Tree 3/8" drive socket set that cost me $5.
 

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just wondering what you guys would expect someone in this situation to do....

Very, very simple solution. Save up and buy a little at a time. Prioritize what tools you want, and then search for them on the classifieds here, ebay, auctions, etc. etc. The search is part of the fun! Go into this knowing your not going to have every single USA made tool you want by the end of next month. It will take time, but in the end you will waste a lot less money (and time) if you save your pennies and search for good deals, rather than buying a huge pile of cheap tools now and then later having to get rid of them and go through the process all over again upgrading to much nicer USA made tools.

To me its quite simple. Anybody can buy USA made tools, no excuses. All things being equal other than somebody having more disposable income than you, is the rate at which you will acquire the tools.
 

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The great majority of my American-made tools have come from yard sales, flea markets, and pawn shops.
Even flea-bay can be a good source....if.....you know what you're looking for?
Hand tools from older, obscure American manufactures that have very little name recognition, usually can be purchased quite cheaply.

Steve
 

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I would start out with affordable tools (even if it mean not made in USA), then as you save up, slowly replace them with used USA tools.
 

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Guy that works next to me only buys inexpensive tools and turns plenty of hrs with them 6 days a week. Start with cheap stuff and upgrade the most used tools slowly. Took me 15 yrs and im still buying stuff.
 

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Obviously, do what you have to do to get by. I certainly don't fault a hardworking American for buying HF tools to do their job. At least they are working and being productive. Buy the best you can practically afford. Watch craigslist, ebay, garage and estate sales for quality used tools.

The other thing I'd tell a person in this situation (not sure if your question is hypothetical) is do whatever they can to improve their skills. In most cases, salary will rise as well. If there isn't opportunity in their area for jobs that pay better with improved skills, consider moving.

Examples: take courses at a community college (computers, electronics, math, welding, machining), read books about any technical subject, study diagnostics and emissions, ask questions, always try to understand the reasons behind everything that happens.

I understand people wanting to work with their hands, but if they can work with their mind as well, they'll be able to afford a lot more USA tools.
 

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Well, for starters, there's really no reason to buy any of your tools new. As some have mentioned, eBay and Craigslist are great resources for finding quality tools cheap. Pawn shops are another good source, as I have gotten some very good deals on quality tools for pennies on the dollar. That being said, I am likely in a much different situation then you. I don't rely on tools to make a living, and as such, I can be patient for deals. Someone turning a wrench for a living may not have that option, but that still doesn't mean you can't always be on the lookout for deals.

I guess the key is to be as patient as possible. That doesn't mean you can't still buy tools from HF to get you through, as they are certainly more than adequate for the majority of most jobs.
 

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I agree with buying used. Its amazing how much stuff is out there that is 20-30 years old and has seen virtually no use at all...and it goes for cents on the dollar. It is a long process to get the tools you need, I started out with mostly a bunch of junk and gradually weeded it out as I could afford to upgrade.
 

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You are not what you own. Tool brands do not define a man. Work hard with what you got and it will all work out in the end. A well known poster on here would like you to put all your tools in a brown paper bag until you can find a US made tool cabinet. Don't listen to him he must have been raised with a silver spoon in his mouth. I try to impress people with my work rather than my tool collections name brand.
 

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Buy the best you can afford. If you don't use your tools professionally, a cheaper "imported" tool will likely do the job. Life is too short to get all worked up over what the Jones' next door have. I work with some folks who have spend all of their money on fancy stuff and making payments on them. I'm not that way. Most days I'm poor as a church mouse but there is alot of satisfaction from being able to fix things with my meager "junk" tools. My grandfather raised six kids in the '50s working on cars. Most of the tools he used were bought at the local stores. Tool trucks didn't stop at his garage very often. He modified, improvised and got the job done with what he had available.
 
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i really love working with tools to make a living

That statement right there makes you very fortunate. Imagine spending your life doing something you don't enjoy, because that's what you need to do to feed your family, pay the rent, etc.

Now the question is can you afford to buy any tools you need to get the job done? If the answer is yes, however it's not truck brands, who cares? Ask anyone who has lived their life to impress people around them...it doesn't lead to any kind of lasting happiness.

Don't be swayed by the posts on these forums either. Everyone has a different situation. Some buy expensive tools on credit and pay a fortune for it, others waited a long time and saved for it, others waited even longer until they reached a point in their life where the bills were covered, income was plentiful and a little indulgence was in order. For my own part, I work behind a desk for a living, cars are a hobby I haven't been able to indulge in as much as I would like. 20 years with a craftsman 200 piece set and some accumulated necessities with a small 26" toolbox have served me well. 2 years on this forum and suddenly I've decided a little indulgence is in order. It's nice not to use a flat headed screwdriver as a multitool for a change!
 

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your scenario is flawed because most people who need to supply their own tools make enough money to afford decent stuff.

Respectfully disagree. You've managed to make many assumptions and generalizations in one short statement that it's not possible to address them all.
 
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I asked the question because so many on here bash people who buy HF but if that's all you can afford,its all you can afford....if someone was giving out free snap on I'm sure they would take it but working vs. Not working is pretty simple....it just seems hypocitical ....if someone came on here and said "I won't work unless its with american tools" it would sound pretty dumb to his starving kids...

And for the record I buy all ebay snap on....lol
 
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And I install kitchen appliances for a living and working on cars is a serious hobby to me but I lose more tools than I break at work so its harbor freight at work and snap on at home,when I can find deals..
 

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And I install kitchen appliances for a living and working on cars is a serious hobby to me but I lose more tools than I break at work so its harbor freight at work and snap on at home,when I can find deals..

How are you losing so many tools?

Maybe we should be talking about process here instead. It might be worth trying to figure out a better way to keep track of tools so you can buy the nicer ones for work. Perhaps if you lend them to people who lose them, keep cheapie tools for that and only you use the nice ones yourself. etc...
 
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I'm in and out of about 7 homes a day and my work route is an hour and half from home(I live in pikesville,md. And work in no.va.)so screwdrivers and nut drivers fall victim a lot....I seem to go through a 5/16s nutdriver (hose clamp size) about once every 2 weeks from falling in the backs of ghost cabinets and such....when I first started 18 yrs. Ago I invested in decent quality but soon learned that things got lost at a rapid rate...my major tools ;pliers,wrenches,power tools are typically dewalt ,klein and channellock but screwdrivers and such are as cheap as I can find...

I'm on commision and my avg. Dishwasher delivery,install and removal takes about 25 minutes....microwaves and disposals a little quicker....so I'm not in each home for a long time
 
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You are not what you own. Tool brands do not define a man. Work hard with what you got and it will all work out in the end. A well known poster on here would like you to put all your tools in a brown paper bag until you can find a US made tool cabinet. Don't listen to him he must have been raised with a silver spoon in his mouth. I try to impress people with my work rather than my tool collections name brand.

I think what people choose to buy can say a lot about them. I currently keep my tools that are overflow from my small USA made box (which is a LOT of tools) neatly packed in multiple cardboard boxes while I save up for a nice USA made box that can hold all of it. I dont see why this is a problem or has anything to do with silver spoons? If anything is has to do with common sense and seeing what costs less and is better in the long run.

I asked the question because so many on here bash people who buy HF but if that's all you can afford,its all you can afford....if someone was giving out free snap on I'm sure they would take it but working vs. Not working is pretty simple....it just seems hypocitical ....if someone came on here and said "I won't work unless its with american tools" it would sound pretty dumb to his starving kids...

And for the record I buy all ebay snap on....lol

I dont think its a stretch at all to say that there are very very very few circumstances where somebody absolutely has to have a tool right now and there is absolutely no way they can pay anything more than HF prices for it. I think if somebody cant save up and HAS to have something right NOW that just shows they are impatient and of the "I want it all right now" mindset with no regard to quality or where there dollar is going. Also ironic is that its not hard to find used USA made tools at new HF prices or cheaper.
 

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The amount of money you put into the American economy via food/rent/mortgage/insurance will probably be a LOT more than you are spending on foreign made tools. If you need a tool that you will be using repeatedly, buy a quality brand. If you're buying a tool that you'll use once in a blue moon, I say buy an off brand or something from Harbor Freight.

I am not a serious hobby mechanic, but I have a mix of low end and middle of the road tools. I don't have any Snap-On, Matco, etc, but I have some Craftsman and other Harbor Freight tools.

I do not feel guilty buying Chinese brand tools based on the percentage of money I put into this economy versus theirs, and I don't buy tools worrying about what everybody else is going to think of them. I buy them to get a job done.
 

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When I first started out as a young B&A mechanic-in-training for Goodyear (1974), I had been promoted from tire-buster and worked with a team of friendly mechs who had known me for years as tire buster. They were training me now as a mech, and so they let me borrow tools sometimes, to supplement my own tiny Cman tool kit. But in just 3 weeks Goodyear ended my training, and sent me off to a store where someone had abruptly quit. I was suddenly responsible for having my own tools, in a one-man serv dept.

That first night my wife and I and maxed out our Sears charge, and bought a bunch of Cman tools, working from a priority list from my mech buddies. Dad gave me a few older tools too. I opened an acct with both Mac and Snap On, but bought only 1 tool per week at most, from each. Then I hit garage sales, flea mkts, etc.

Somehow I got by with whatever I had available, and before long soon learned for myself which tools I MOST needed to buy, and got them slowly, as the budget allowed. At no time did I go out and buy every tool I might ever need. I got a few at a time, and constantly kept a list with me of tools I needed the most.

Now that I am older and no longer wrenching for a living, I enjoy replacing the cheaper mismatched tools in my boxes with top quality USA or Euro-made tools. I do sincerely believe that there is a distinct difference in quality, and I would therefore prefer to have these top quality tools in my box, if I have the choice.

But thank goodness I never went head over heels in debt for all the tools all at once, whether cheap or top quality. Frankly, my wife was too good at managing our money to ever let me do that to myself.
 
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When we started our business we decided to only offer products Made in America and we have never looked back on that decision. In our every day lives we do our best to Buy American even if it means paying a bit more and I might say for something that is always made better.

When you Buy American, whether it is a new or used item, you are helping another American keep their job. You can buy great American made tools and toolboxes from a lot of sources including our business and many others on Garage Journal that won't break the bank, all while feeling good about not shipping another job overseas.

Take your time, shop around. eBay, Craigs List, Garage Journal, and Flea Markets are all good places to score tools at good prices. Sears has some good deals on American made tools from time to time. Buying cheap tools Made in China is not the answer. IMHO
 

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I do believe there is a large difference in quality when it comes to USA/European made tools. I started out with a 60$ wal mart "mechanics tool set" It was cheap, bad quality and most of those tools are now spare or home tools. I have been slowly building my tool set over the past 4 years. I have a little cman/ master craft, some MAC, some Snap on and a little princess auto (basically Canadian HF) in my tool box. Im currently trying to slowly switch most of my mainly used tools over to Snap on and master craft. I do this by scouring my local Canadian tire on a weekly basis, looking for that killer sale on whatever i might see, just the other week i picked up a set of 3 channel locks.. regular 39.99 on sale for 9.99, a pretty good deal in my opinion. I spend a lot of time just browsing around looking at the sale and liquidations.

The funny thing is, i may not need that tool, i may not have gone in looking for that tool specifically but when i see a great deal i find it hard to pass up on, this is because in my mind im constantly thinking at some point i will want this tool, or at some point i will need this tool. If i can pick it up now for a 1/4 of the price it retails at then why wouldn't i.

I also have an account with snap on although it never goes over 300$ but my snap on guy is also very good about payments, he isn't always on your back for money. Obviously i pay him a little every time he is in to keep a good respect between us but it's nice not to feel rushed to pay something off.

It takes time and it takes effort browsing different stores, local classifieds, flew market, pawn/thrift stores, but in the end you will get there.
 

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Automotive specialty tools are very expensive from the truck and it can take a long long time just to find a used high quality USA one from eBay, flea market, etc. I would buy the cheap version from HF to fix my car (I can not go to work without my car). Then I would spend my time looking for a used high quality version. I would then give my HF version to my brother, or make it a loaner, or sell it. Right now I need to work on my ball joint soon and I would love to buy SO BJP1 Press and adapter, but not for $800. I can not wait for an affordable used one to show up. I will probably buy HF press and adapter set for $130 for now. I will replace it with the BJP1 when I find a good deal. I will keep the HF adapter set.
 

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I'm in and out of about 7 homes a day and my work route is an hour and half from home(I live in pikesville,md. And work in no.va.)so screwdrivers and nut drivers fall victim a lot....I seem to go through a 5/16s nutdriver (hose clamp size) about once every 2 weeks from falling in the backs of ghost cabinets and such....when I first started 18 yrs. Ago I invested in decent quality but soon learned that things got lost at a rapid rate...my major tools ;pliers,wrenches,power tools are typically dewalt ,klein and channellock but screwdrivers and such are as cheap as I can find...

I'm on commision and my avg. Dishwasher delivery,install and removal takes about 25 minutes....microwaves and disposals a little quicker....so I'm not in each home for a long time

Don't take this the wrong way but if your losing your tools with such great frequency perhaps there is something amiss in your approach. I'm not suggesting slowing down but rather tweaking the way you look at the work, the tools needed and the particular job. Maybe lay out every tool you will need before starting the job on a rag or magnetic strip when you start and making sure there all back when the job is complete. Dropping tools into an assembly? How about a magnetic or grabber style pick up/retrieval tool. Perhaps the solution is expensive tools that you would'nt dare leave behind?
 
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