When it rains big vises, it pours big vises....

[Black Frog]

So I just got done cleaning up that gorgeous Wilton 800S last night and still tickled and giddy over the deal I got on it. Tonight after work I'm working out in the garage cleaning up some items I'm going to list on CL, an older gent walking his dog who comes through occasionally stops and we chat for a while. Super guy, and I always enjoy talking with him.

He notices that big vise I had all cleaned up and thought that was cool, and I told him that I love big vises! He pauses for a moment and says, "ya know, my friend has a big vise for sale, kinda big like that one. But it is mounted on some big pedestal. He was trying to sell it before he moves later this week. Would you be interested?"



No one knew anything about the make, size, nothing.
I said SURE, let's go take a look!

I came home with a filthy but extremely nice shape Rock Island No.86 6" vise mounted on a massive I-beam and plate steel constructed pedestal.

$80.

I'll get her all dismantled and cleaned up in the next few days....
I keep finding deals you just CAN'T turn down!

 

[jakemac]

 

[Filson]

Hell of a deal! You ****!

 

[montanafordman]

Wow... I don't like you. YOU ****!

Well done. Some times it pays to be a good neighbor!

 

[91bronc300]

That's a nifty pedestal too.

 

[Black Frog]

I couldn't load the thing myself in my truck.
Needed two guys to lean the top portion on the tailgate and then lift and walk the base up into the truck. Very beefy stuff.

I couldn't make the stand alone for that much money in material/time/effort!

 

[Outlawmws]

Man, the vise suckage the past couple of weeks...

 

[Galvonzo]

So you're telling me that all I have to do is clean up out in the garage with the door open and people will come to me? So THAT'S what I've been doing wrong all along then. Well, why didn't anyone say so? You keep this up and you're gonna literally have over a ton of suckage sittin in vises.

 

[Strouty]

You sucked before, now you **** again, DOUBLE SUCKAGE!

 

[oldldh]

He still ***** from the Wilton...and now this!!!!

YOU **** GOING AND COMING!!!

I really hate you!!!!

 

[davesnothere]

Whatever is worse than sucking is what you do.

 

[Black Frog]

I looked this morning again and thumbed through some of the dirt/grime on the side in the daylight.
This Rock Island 6" vise has the pivoting rear jaw.

I can't seem to find any info on the No.86 vise for R.I.?
Anyone here have one?

 

[chrisa7164]

 

[Jagmandave]

Do you guys actually use these vises you find, or just collect and display them? That last one is a monster!

I've got a 6" Wilton, and two 4" craftsman, and I use all of them almost every day......

 

[Black Frog]

I use them. I do ironwork/blacksmithing as a side job, sometimes a big vise is damn handy.
Works great in combination with a big post vise.
Got all my big-*** bench vise bases covered now!

The next thing I'd like to find is a 8" post vise, I have a 6" now.
Usually 8" is rare to find, and if you do find one = $$$

 

[893cv]

Yes, you ****! Nice vise.

 

[57JoeFoMoPar]

What a BEAST of a vise!

 

[bigcaddy]

He ***** so hard he's going to tear the time/space continium, create a black hole in his garage and thats going to be the end of Black Frog!

 

[oldldh]

Big, my boy, I think it's already happening!!!

Run for the hills----

 

[pendragon1998]

Whatever is worse than sucking is what you do.

He simultaneously ***** and blows. I can't even find a ****** USA-made vise of any size in my area.

 

[silentpoet]

I'll give you 81 dollars for your trouble.

 

[MN4x4]

There are no words that are adequate to express how much you ****.

And yes, I'm officially jealous!

 

[Black Frog]

....I feel so loved here. ..

 

[Jagmandave]

I use them. I do ironwork/blacksmithing as a side job, sometimes a big vise is damn handy.
Works great in combination with a big post vise.
Got all my big-*** bench vise bases covered now!

The next thing I'd like to find is a 8" post vise, I have a 6" now.
Usually 8" is rare to find, and if you do find one = $$$

Excellent! I did not mean to impugn you, I just wondered..... so many guys here just seem to be on a quest to collect them.....not that there's anything wrong with that!

 

[Black Frog]

This vise has the pivoting rear jaw. It is missing the tapered lock pin, and the jaw seems rusted in place. I think it is worth restoring and getting that jaw un-stuck, and making a new tapered pin. Other than being old and somewhat rusty, the vise is in great shape. The pin holding the floating nut in also seems stubbornly stuck.

Anyone know what taper rate Rock Island used for that pin?

 

[Todd.Brock]

This vise has the pivoting rear jaw. It is missing the tapered lock pin, and the jaw seems rusted in place. I think it is worth restoring and getting that jaw un-stuck, and making a new tapered pin. Other than being old and somewhat rusty, the vise is in great shape. The pin holding the floating nut in also seems stubbornly stuck.

Anyone know what taper rate Rock Island used for that pin?

I am not answering your questions just on principle. Go ask your Wilton....












Ok, just kidding... i dont really know. It was more fun to be an a-hole than to just not post. Great vises!

 

[Black Frog]

Funny guy!
A member on a different board mentioned his R.I. vise did not have a tapered pin, but a straight one. ....
I'll have a better idea after a lengthy PB Blaster soak. Maybe sometime next week I'll attempt to free up that jaw.

 

[metal1313]

change your name to hoover

 

[Black Frog]

Progress. Every time I passed by the garage I would give it another PB Blaster soak.
Today with two heavy dead blow hammers, one in each hand , one hitting the side of the jaw and the other on rear part on the opposite side of the rotation point, I saw a hair of movement! With encouragement like that, I did more soaking and pounding, and reversing the direction each hint of movement.

Finally. After cleaning and oiling, she is tight-fitted but can move it easily.

The RI does indeed use a tapered pin. Looks like the tapered hole is a bit buggered up down in there. Now to figure out what to do about that. I'm thinking maybe re-taper the entire thing with a large reamer in the machine shop....

 

[oldldh]

Karma had to come back into...this situation...

I hope its diamond coated kryptonite, that can't be drilled/reamed in this space time continuum/dimension....

 

[bczygan]

....I feel so loved here. ..

So what area are you in?




I need to move there!

 

[Black Frog]

Such a loving bunch....

 

[oldldh]

You should see them when they're pissed...

Shark feeding frenzy...

What you're going through is, more like, nuclear fueled envy...

 

[KMScott]

I feel a 3 degree per side taper is about the right taper. That is what Prentiss uses, Wilton uses 1-1/2 degree per side and it is not enough in my opinion. If you have access to machine shop then fixing your buggered hole will not be a big issue especially having tapered endmills.

 

[Black Frog]

I don't have tapered end mills, but I can get 'em...

I can get special ones that cut through diamond-coated kryptonite.

 

[Provincial]

I feel a 3 degree per side taper is about the right taper. That is what Prentiss uses, Wilton uses 1-1/2 degree per side and it is not enough in my opinion. If you have access to machine shop then fixing your buggered hole will not be a big issue especially having tapered endmills.

3 Degrees per side would be about 1-1/4" per foot (included angle). This is 6 degrees included, which is very close to the accepted maximum of 7 degrees for self-holding tapers. This, in theory, would make the pin hold in place with it's own friction, but require the least amount of pull to release.

The nearest standard taper I am aware of is 1-1/2" per foot, for tie rod end sockets. A reamer should be available for that taper. This would be about 7.125 degrees, included angle. Based on my experience with tie rod ends, this would hold quite well.

Redneck that I am, I would be tempted to remove the tapered part from the housing of a tie rod end, cut off the threads, and use the ball as a handle to remove the pin.

 

[Jarhead0408]

Aye yae yae. I don't know you, but I hate you!

Congrats man!

 

[Black Frog]

Just bringing this back with an update to the project.
I got tired of this thing being taken apart and in my way for months, and finally motivated to do something about it.

To remove enough material from the distorted/buggered tapered hole, I had to go with a MT#3 reamer to get past the buggeredness.

I setup a MT#3 shaft in the lathe, and carefully indicated the compound to match the angle.
I turned some 1/2-13 threads on top of the plug for easy removal if neccessary, then made a protective knob to cover the threads.

I'm quite happy with how my tapered pin matches the MT#3 hole.
I can feel no slop at all, and just letting the pin "thunk" in with gravity locks it tightly.
To remove the pin, I have a collar/washer/nut to pop it free easily.

I think she's ready for another 100 years of service.

 

[Fretters]

He ***** so hard he's going to tear the time/space continium, create a black hole in his garage and thats going to be the end of Black Frog!

Nah, it'll just be a black frog hole. Sounds like there's already one there anyhows, the way he's sucking these vices in.

Nice vice and sweet work on that new taper pin.

 

[454ragtop]

Nice work, and vise. Might consider turning a stepped washer/spacer to fit over your pin, which could live there, and screw the knob down to release the pin, then just back the knob off a little on reinstallation.
HTH, Jim