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When life got you down, it keeps kicking, foundation problems!😖

Fireguy50

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  • 2020 garage fire completely destroyed.
  • But I wanted to get my garage rebuilt
  • Contractors had dozen excuses:
    • Can't work, stay at home orders.
    • We laid off our staff, try call again next year.
    • We're only accepting easy indoor bathroom kitchen remodels.
    • Our staff took the pandemic checks and quit.
    • I had to close my business.
    • We're booked for 18+ months out try calling again next year.
    • I had 2 companies submit bids, but they were double what the job should cost; "Sorry we got a lot of jobs with this pandemic these are what we're charging now." (It was price gouging at the time, or inflating the jobs they don't really want.
  • But then Canada stopped shipping lumber to the US, prices are going up!
  • I found a concrete contractor that could extend the garage foundation to maximize allowable square footage and fix a badly sinking part of the driveway right at our primary entrance.👍
  • Started looking at metal building options. They refused to offer one in my 24x35 (840sq/ft maximum allowed garage size in my City. They kept trying to sell me other buildings that were abandoned by previous customers. Tried to get me to agree to accept a smaller building after I already paid ~20% of our insurance payout on concrete for maximum allowed square footage. NO!
  • Now there is a run at the grocery store no meats, no toilet paper, no canned foods, everyone become a prepper and prices started to increase in more sectors.
  • Need permission to be out, essential workers, this is when crazy people start doing the Canonball run because Law Enforcement stopped enforcing basic traffic laws, reduce their risk of catching this disease from a stupid motorist, Officers just want to get home safe.
  • Lack of anyone wanting to work for anything under $15/hr or the schedule they want; because they got government pandemic checks. Along with a few other factors the lack of US GDP starts to drop, while tariffs on imported goods caused more inflation. Along with the computer chip shortage stopped many vehicle manufacturing assembly plants.
  • Because living in groups increases the risk of catching the Rona, more people are buying homes or going out to rent for themselves. Now there is a housing shortage and new home construction booms again.
TLDR: So after 4 years of watching the inflation continue to climb and interest rates climb with it; I don't see any way to rebuild the garage with the insurance payout. Luckily I got tired of sitting on that stack of cash after 6 months of no progress and paid down a large percentage (of our 4¼%) mortgage. That actually helped me with the financial situation, the housing market boom tripled our home value. Got a contractor, but after all the problems in the world it just costs TWICE what the insurance company payout was. It's not price gouging, it's just the new market. During demolition we found an unwelcome surprise...

Contractor lined up, dates set, permits pulled. (Now after having the previous concrete work done, permitted, inspected, passed, the agreed building contractor price DOES NOT include any foundation work). As far as everyone knows they new extension was rebar'ed into the original slab and 42" foundation was ALL in great condition. 😖😥🤦🏻‍♂️

But after doing demolition the original garage was poorly built in 1992. The old 2x8 sill plate covered up the problem, while the 2x10 ceiling joists & 2x8 roof trusses; made it all seem like it was over built to be a strong building. After the 6 HOUR LONG fire (at night without windows), nobody knew until it finally burned through an extior corner by the door. it still stood despite the heavy fire damage, because of those extra large joists and trusses. Under the sill plate was a terrible 8x16 block job. Some of the blocks were picked with wall despite the unbolted sill bolts. When they were done; I started to investigate the blocks, and many moved just pushed with my foot, while others I could easily knock over. That "Nice Over Built 2x8 Sill Plate" was just hiding their laziness and poor foundation work!🤬

I specifically paid them for just the lumber structure to reduce how much this is going to cost over the insurance payout. It's specifically in my builder's contract; "No foundation work!" Thankfully the did demolition on a Thursday and said they'd return Monday (when lumber is delivered) to start construction. Giving me a 3 day weekend to replace many of the bad blocks, Hammer drill, rebar down to the footer, rebar the corners, fill with concrete, and add new lag bolts. Sorry for the long story, hopefully as my new garage is built the entire backstory from 2020 becomes irrelevant. I'll have time lapse videos of each day's progress (I have 16+ security cameras around the property).🧐
 

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jack stand

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A hot fire will damage masonry.
I've seen a brand new poured full foundation get torn out after the townhouse that was being built (new construction) burnt to the ground after the drywall crew left the propane construction heaters set too high overnight.
Side note; the drywall "firewalls" worked perfectly protecting both the adjacent units!
Sorry about your luck with this one. The insurance company should have investigated the block work but that would have been to your best interest not theirs.
A good lesson for others in this sucky situation.
 

captain14

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We’ve had a few GJ members post their rebuild projects after similar fires.

Planning ahead, will you be tying the garage alarm system into the house?

More than once it’s been a neighbor who spots the fire first.

Good luck on the new project.
 

dcg9381

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I had this question for my GC:
"In a total loss (fire) how F'd am I going to be on the foundation?"

I think the answer is "it depends" and as most our plumbing runs through slab, you'd need to re-route it or redesign it. For me it a huge swing on "insured value" if I can keep the foundation.

Sorry life has hit you hard, I can see how you'd get screwed during that covid period.

You'll come back from this and build that garage back better!
 

MovingAlong

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Giving me a 3 day weekend to replace many of the bad blocks, Hammer drill, rebar down to the footer, rebar the corners, fill with concrete, and add new lag bolts. Sorry for the long story, hopefully as my new garage is built the entire backstory from 2020 becomes irrelevant. I'll have time lapse videos of each day's progress (I have 16+ security cameras around the property).🧐

Sounds like you've got this under control. Yes it was done poorly before - and yet served you just fine. Now it's done better - it will serve you just fine again. :thumbup:
 
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It's a good thing that you are capable of doing the block work. Would really **** to try to find a mason who would do emergency work over the weekend
 

ZRX61

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A hot fire will damage masonry.
I had a friend who lit a large bonfire on an old concrete slab. About an hour later the slab exploded sending concrete & burning wood flying in all directions.
Alcohol was involved so all we did was giggle, next day there was an 8ft dia crater in the slab & the rest (about 50ft square) was cracked.
Luckily the slab was about 500ft from the house.
 
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Fireguy50

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We’ve had a few GJ members post their rebuild projects after similar fires.

Planning ahead, will you be tying the garage alarm system into the house?

More than once it’s been a neighbor who spots the fire first.

Good luck on the new project.
I've got a daily videos of the rebuild in the 800-1,200 sub currently.👍

I do have a Fire Detector (135°F not smoke/partials) for the future garage already, and a special relay that is triggered by that detectors interconnect wire. Which will setoff a commercial 6in Red Strobe Light and 6in Red Fire Bell I'll have mounted outside above the door. I've collected all the parts while waiting for construction, so I'm ready to install that. That should prevent a future ~6 hour long fire because no windows. Something like this, but not exactly.
 

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Fireguy50

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It's a good thing that you are capable of doing the block work. Would really **** to try to find a mason who would do emergency work over the weekend
I was guessing that would have been ~$5K for an emergency call for:
  • Rebar down into the footings.
  • Replace the bad blocks.
  • Rebar the corners.
  • Mortar the joints.
  • Fill with concrete.
  • Float any areas that are not level.
  • New sill plate lag bolts.
 
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