I thought you can’t run romex in conduit? Also they used tees for each of the runs upwards. Gets me also why they couldn’t have just ran the conduit at the top of the wall instead of the branches up from the ground. Also creative heating up the conduit to bend the top.
When my neighbor hires the cheapest contractor
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mike93lx
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Romex is completely fine in conduit, indoors. It's not allowed outdoors at all.
The conduit thing is an internet urban legend.
Heating pvc conduit to bend is also normal. you can do some incredible stuff with a heat blanket
Edit now that there are pics.
That's a shitshow.
The conduit thing is an internet urban legend.
Heating pvc conduit to bend is also normal. you can do some incredible stuff with a heat blanket
Edit now that there are pics.
That's a shitshow.
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Yep
Without context of what that wall is, I'm not sure I see an issue.
Edit: 2nd pic in post 1 now visible
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well it does appear that conduit is on an exterior wall , judging by the excavation
sparky 1971
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I see two possible problems. 1) The whole thing is wrong if the PVC is on the outside of the wall and 2) If on the inside, the T's can't be under the slab and it sure looks like that might be case to me.
As far as Romex in PVC, it's fine and bending with heat makes for an easier pull than factory glued on fittings.
As far as Romex in PVC, it's fine and bending with heat makes for an easier pull than factory glued on fittings.
2nd pic has been uploaded or is now visible.
Yep, some wtf going on there. Still can't picture what I'm looking at, but overall looks excessively sloppy
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Why am I struggling to picture an electrical PVC tee?
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mike93lx
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Yes, that's correct, also anywhere outdoors. NM-B is indoor only
Pics weren't there when I replied
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sparky 1971
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Where is this? WTF is it for? Judging by the ditch in the picture, that has to be on the outside of the outside wall. The whole thing is wrong, but it's probably in some location with a do it all inspector that doesn't know any better. Or no inspector at all. I love how people say "there ain't no codes here". Just because there isn't anyone to enforce them doesn't mean they don't exist. It's possible that the contractor doesn't know either.
Yeah, that's kind of what I was picturing. Then I was scratching my head why it couldn't be in concrete.With a little Grey paint, your dreams can come true
For some reason my brain wasn't computing on the "tee" junction box shown above.
Sparky could have asked Mr. Mason to slot the webs of the second from top course and laid in UF with big enough loops at each location needed. Pay the mason a few $ for the kid running the saw (or hammer). Eliminate the golden pvc and fittings .
Then only the feed into the wall might have been exposed conduit. Even that could have been avoided if he got there early enough.
Edit: now looking harder at the pics, many blocks left on the pallets have webs reduced. All Sparky would have to do is unroll a coil of UF below the top course.
Then only the feed into the wall might have been exposed conduit. Even that could have been avoided if he got there early enough.
Edit: now looking harder at the pics, many blocks left on the pallets have webs reduced. All Sparky would have to do is unroll a coil of UF below the top course.
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the more I look at it, the more it looks like a privacy wall
That's all I can see it being.
Why else would they half *** route the PVC to the center of the block?
Begs the question though, what will hide the PVC?
they don't care about the PVC, they don't see it.
That's a lot of cost for a temp. And why notch the block? Just sling rx (or uf) along the wall and be done.
wyliesdiesels
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no code prohibition on NM-b in conduit INDOORS. urban legend code book rule that wont die... however its prohibited in conduit outdoors which is what you have... so yeah needs to be ripped out
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Good point about the notching. Out here in Arizona anytime I see temporary power it is pretty much grey PVC... I assume they don't want stuff to get cut/etc.
LOL
sparky 1971
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You may want to clue your neighbor in on the fact that they are paying for an effed up job. There is absolutely nothing correct about it. Did the block layers do that? I'll give them an A for effort, but if it goes on as is, those lights won't be working within the next 10 years. The Romex is going to rot out inside the pipe.
wyliesdiesels
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ooofff. how they gonna splice any of that? smh
This is about 250 feet also, forgot to mention.
There it is!!! Maybe the landscaper did this??
I think the second lighting location has two cables pulled up to it.
mike93lx
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Gets better and better
welder4956
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Is this for low voltage lighting?
kaymccampbell
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If it's on your property line, a weedwhacker will help it greatly.
That crossed my mind a bit... but I assume anyone who would be doing this wouldn't be using NM-B because of price.
wyliesdiesels
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with NM-b as expensive as it is? doubt it. LV lighting cordage is a lot lot cheaper
wyliesdiesels
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mustve been fun to pull that **** through
mike93lx
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Stolen NM-B is cheaper than purchased landscape cord and based on the quality of that install, I wouldn't be surprised...
The Tool Tyrant
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ahhh, the old adage stands true once again, "you get what you pay for"
Fixed it for you.With a little Grey paint, yourdreamsnightmares can come true
And.... Sadly, they didn't even use paint on the tees!
CJ7VFR
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Besides the wrong wire being used outside, the other issue is the horrible gaps and missing concrete at the joints of a lot of the blocks. I guess if this is just a single privacy wall it doesn't really matter. But that wall, with all those gaps in the seams between the blocks, is not going to be very strong if there are high wind gusts around there.
Jim
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