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Where Do I Start Organizing? A 30x50 Mess

walker450

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Well... I'm going to air my dirty laundry hoping to gain some sort of motivation from the interwebs... I have a mess on my hands and I am fed up. I have to take control of it and I figured I might as well start a thread about it
Any motivation you can send my way will help. When my shop is a successful story of bad turned to good, it may help someone else in the future.

I built this a year and a half ago. I still need to wire it. I only have a few plugs in one corner at the moment.

My plan is to sell and throw away things not needed first... build small shelfs as needed to help with organization and clean as I go.

Once that is complete I plan to build a loft above the side by side overhead doors.

At that point I will wire it and plumb a few air lines.

Here goes:
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pallet racks are pretty cheap , check craigslist or offer-up

I put up 60 ft of them......

Added , get the uprights as tall as your side wall ,

they are 30 inches to at least 5 ft deep

the crossbeams come in 4ft -8ft-9ft-10ft - 12ft ,
for some reason they are not 6 ft wide so I had some longer ones cut and welded to 6ft

easy to snap together.....

or make a 2nd story like the photo ,
 

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What a **** show....

I am always amazed at people that somehow manage to build a decent structure and then it turns into something like this.

Get rid of **** you don't need. If you have not touched it in a year, you don't need it.
 

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A place for everything and everything in its place.....

But ya, your idea sounds about right. Maybe do a drawing first of how you would like your shop setup, and start in one area and move out.

Also, you hit the nail on the head, time to sell stuff you don't need, throw away junk that we all accumulate, and really just have the items and supplies that you see as valuable and worth keeping.

Lastly, for my old car parts and things I didn't want to get rid of, I got plastic tubs, and I was filling them I made an inventory of the bin on google sheets and would label each one " car parts a", "car parts b" and so on. Then you can organize the bins and have direct access to what's inside them from the inventory list and go right to the bin you need. Would probably help you out a bunch.

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Too much bench space for my liking. They always turn into **** collectors.

Shelving, racking and cabinets are a big help.

I try not to store unnecessary things in the shop if possible. Lawn mowers etc. get their own shed.

I have a well ventilated shipping container for cold storage.
 

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Pallet racking and a used forklift. You can find decent ones on equipment trader. Put all the stuff you want to keep on the pallets then set it up on the rack. Throw away all the stuff you won't use.
 

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sit the mower at an angle in the tractor bucket, turn it on high and drive the tractor around to reduce everything to debris that is sized to fit into the bucket

then load it onto a dump truck
 

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Pallet racking and a used forklift. You can find decent ones on equipment trader. Put all the stuff you want to keep on the pallets then set it up on the rack. Throw away all the stuff you won't use.

Exactly. You’d be amazed how much of that will disappear on 30-32ft of 10ft tall racking with three shelves. The key here is getting a forklift.
 

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I can relate and feel for your frustration. I struggled with the big, new, empty building and a bunch of stuff I needed to get back indoors. It all ended up piled in corners. It took me the last 3-4 years moving piles from side to side as I finished the walls, painted and ran electrical conduit.

Pallet racking, or other open shelves with parts and items in labeled/clear totes is a huge help. I also agree with the large bench area,it just turns into a junk collection surface. My finished barn has roughly 20’ of counter top and it’s a struggle.

Like mentioned I keep all lawn and garden equipment out in its own space. You may not be fortunate to have a separate garden shed but it sure keeps the clutter down. I suggest using open wall space for hanging vs. the corners.

Best of luck with you project clean up!


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I have ADHD, my brain locks down every time I'm facing a mess like that. I end up picking something here and picking something there and getting distracted putting something together over there and at the end I look around and I don't 'see' much progress. I have developed a few tricks to cope.

For starters, give up the notion that you will start working in the morning and will see progress by noon. The key thing you want to accomplish is progress, and there doesn't need to be 'proof' of it. You want to keep chipping at the bit knowing for a fact that you are breaking it down.

Speaking of breaking things down, break everything down into sections: This sort of stuff here, that sort of stuff over there.

Start making another section for everything you want to/are willing to get rid of.

Too much bench space for my liking. They always turn into **** collectors.

OMG this is so true... I am one person, therefore how many working areas can I actually use at one time? On my new garage/workshop if there is a work table is has an specific function: The one by the car working area, the future one for welding, and the ones upstairs to be build for specific purposes.
 

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****....I can still see half the floor. Better then me right now.
I try and do just one thing or task a day. Every single day.
Tonight I had 20 things to put up in the loft. Done in 20 min and moved onto a fun thing.
I built a wall of drawers for tools. Love it.
This shop has big tools. Start with a workflow of how you will use them. Group stuff.

I’d rather have a messy packed shop where I actually do things then a primaDonna man cave with two waxed trailer queens any day


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First: Congrats, you've got a great space you should be proud of

Second: Don't feel bad, you're literally fighting a fundamental Law of Nature that is as basic and constant as gravity. Call it entropy, call it "nature abhors a vacuum" or whatever else you want....but space doesn't stay empty by magic....it takes work, often significant work and that is why there are companies, consultants, authors and an entire eco-system of folks making money on organization related items

So here is my brief take:

Start small, improve a defined area, take that success and move to the next area. Rinse and repeat until done

How do you start...that's harder

In the 5S factory methodology made famous by Toyota Motors, the first "S" roughly translates as "sort" which seems applicable to both garages and factories. No point in spending effort storing things you don't need, so first identify all the stuff that isn't going to kept around.

Based on the collection of things, I'm expecting it's not all your stuff and other family members or friends may have some ownership of the situation, it also means to be successful they must have ownership of the solution. So what I've seen work for others in similar boat is a modified version of what factories do:

Make (3) "Piles"....and by piles it doesn't have to be a pile but a pallet, box, crate or at bare minimum a physical, taped out square on the concrete...there should be absolutely 0 ability to argue if something was in the "pile" or not

Then label(again 0 ability to argue which pile is which)
-Your's and keeping
-Your's and disposing
-Other folk's stuff

Once you get your stuff from that identified area you're starting with sorted(reminder it's darkest before the dawn), give everyone else who has "stuff" a reasonable period of time(reasonable is your call) and make sure they know that if it's still in "the pile" at the end of the time it's getting disposed of at your earliest convenience...then stick to that. If it leaves the pile it must find a new home, NOT in the building and preferably someplace "appropriate" so it doesn't just form a new pile somewhere else(garage...basement....etc)

Once you're down to just stuff being kept, it's time to make homes for the stuff....echo the prior comment of pallet racking being cost effective storage. You've got sidewall height....if possible make use of it...just remember that vertical height like racking gives is difficult to easily use without a forklift....so are things going up high really worth keeping??? Seasonal stuff is one thing....but that box of X that "may come in handy" but has 5 years worth of dust....should it find a new home instead? Selling stuff that's been collecting dust is a great way to help fund the storage solutions as well so this can be a cash flow positive project as well!

End of the cycle for that "area" you should have a much cleaner corner and some additional energy to keep tackling the next spot...but it's not magic, it takes work. It takes work to make the spot for things to go, it takes more work to make spots for things to go that are logical and easy to use and it takes work to put stuff away in the correct spot, even when they are well thought out spots. But once you have that well defined location, with only the items that are actually needed, and everyone is proud of the area...it does seem like less work to keep it there as you're generally enjoying the time spent on and in the space much more!
 
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Wow! Thanks for all of the comments! I appreciate it very much. I have already gained tons of inspiration.

I will admit, I like the lawnmower in the tractor bucket idea the best. If I do that I will definitely put it on YouTube! lol

Will post some progress pics over the next few nights. Just the commitment to post pics will help drive some sort of progress.

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To start with, I have seen worse than that!! =)
Tidying up is hard if you have nowhere to put things. I would start by building/getting a lot of storage space in the form of shelving and cabinets.
I also like having my storage space/shelving wall mounted, keeping the floor clean is a lot easier if stuff is off the floor. If I could I'd wall mount the anvil but I don't think that will work =)
 

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The "white space" in the shop is up high. Cabinets and shelves are what will help access it.

After you sift/sort a bit then I'd go move everything to the center and get your wiring and plumbing done. Then you can create a plan to go back.

Easy to build out of wood but material prices are currently pretty high...
 

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Agree with 5S.
I also feel that you need to sit down and design it out a few times to tweak it. Graph paper works great for this.
Dedicated sections and subsections.
***Landscape, then spots for specific tools, chemicals, accessories
***Woodworking, then spots for tools, accessories, etc
Use the racking for this stuff and leave expansion space since it will expand.

Good luck!
 

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That's not really all that bad and good deal that you caught it before it got totally out of hand. You definitely need shelving and need to sort through everything and rid yourself of those things that you don't need and are simply in the way. A day or two in that shop and it would be looking very well organized.
 
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I think you can get carried away with too much storage. It gives you an excuse to keep everything. Maybe you have a legit need for all that stuff, idk. Only you can answer that.
I suffer from some of the same problems. I just want to have a system already. When you have a blank slate, it is hard to know where to put something. I started with some sturdy shelves. They’re not really portable, but they’re not built in, 60 inches wide, 24 inches deep, 72 inches tall, I think, I used moving boxes from Lowe’s. I think they are 12x12x18. I grouped like things together, car wash stuff goes in a box, plumbing parts go in a box. Tiling tools and supplies go in a box. You get the idea. Label the boxes and put them on a shelf.
If you need more than one box for a particular thing, that’s fine, but at least you have it contained.
Something else I did was get old lateral file cabinets from work (they were free). I built plywood boxes to fit inside he drawers with little wasted space. This does the same kind of thing as the moving boxes.
I hate putting things on the wall. It makes it seem so permanent. Sometimes you just have to commit to something and decide you’ll move it later if it’s not working for you.
Once you start seeing things grouped together, you’ll get an idea of how much space you need for certain categories.
You’re probably going to give away, scrap, or sell some of it.
Maybe set a reward for yourself. Once you have a workable space again, you get to buy a new air compressor...something like that. Don’t say it has to be done. You’ll never be done.
 

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You could build a couple of walls in one corner to form a room for the gardening stuff. Check double doors at HD or wherever so you know the standard rough opening sizes. Build the walls and buy a door later if $ are tight. While at HD, check for what seems to be their most commonly stocked plastic tubs and buy a bunch along w/ the shelves. A friend did that and put the inventory for each tub on the side of the tub w/ marker. A shelf w/ a bunch of tubs on it looks a lot neater than an open shelf w/ stuff on it.
 

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Oh and prepare yourself. When you are done. You will see more to organize or move. I’m on my third round


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My plan is to sell and throw away things not needed first... build small shelfs as needed to help with organization and clean as I go.

Once that is complete I plan to build a loft above the side by side overhead doors.

This sounds good to me, but I am not well qualified. Anything you can buy again for under $5, throw away. Any project you have kinda "piled up," consider throwing it away and selling off any piece of it that was desirable to somebody else.

As another poster above said, I've had to clean my shop out multiple times and it doesn't really "take".
 

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Lots of great ideas! Now comes the labor part. First create places for things to go. And a cheat sheet of item class and location and then hire the local Scouting troop for a day. Each one has a map where things roughly go (you can fine tune then and there or later) and let them move things. Fire up the grill for burgers and dogs at lunch break and keep a watchful eye and answer general questions. Afterwards, they get a donation to the troop to buy camping gear or whatever.
It will cost some but not as much as ‘professionals’ and I’ll bet the floor will be cleared in single digit hours.
 

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I am prepared to be flamed, but I see nothing wrong with Walker450's shop.

I tend to agree. There is a ton of open space so everything seems to be fairly accessible. Yes, things need to be organized and shelving would help.

I don't think it is a total disaster like some of the posts here have stated.
 

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Start with clutter. All the 5 gallon water jugs? Cardboard boxes scattered about? Dump that **** for a start. Assess your needs with all the stuff in storage bins. Eliminate best as you can.
 

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I have ADHD, my brain locks down every time I'm facing a mess like that. I end up picking something here and picking something there and getting distracted putting something together over there and at the end I look around and I don't 'see' much progress. I have developed a few tricks to cope.

For starters, give up the notion that you will start working in the morning and will see progress by noon. The key thing you want to accomplish is progress, and there doesn't need to be 'proof' of it. You want to keep chipping at the bit knowing for a fact that you are breaking it down.

Speaking of breaking things down, break everything down into sections: This sort of stuff here, that sort of stuff over there.

Start making another section for everything you want to/are willing to get rid of.



OMG this is so true... I am one person, therefore how many working areas can I actually use at one time? On my new garage/workshop if there is a work table is has an specific function: The one by the car working area, the future one for welding, and the ones upstairs to be build for specific purposes.

I am the same way, pretty sure I have ADHD also. I've been working on my shop for two years now and it's a daily struggle. Have had to learn to break things into small projects and tackle little things just to get something done. I also will start one thing and then get distracted and start something else and keep jumping back and forth. This has actually been a little beneficial for me. It doesn't look like much is getting done because you are doing 20 different things at once but if you keep with it all of a sudden you will have 20 things done at once.

Figure out and plan your space. It doesn't have to be every little detail, but get a general idea of the overall layout you want. Then start tackling sections. I have probably 100' of racking to hold stuff. My issue is I have material and tools to do just about anything, I do construction so have building materials and a small hardware store. I also do auto repair so have a ton of specialty tools and all the stuff a repair shop would have. Also do woodworking so have all those machines and smaller tools. Also some welding and metal work. The list goes on and on. I don't agree with throwing anything you haven't used in a year out, I have a ton of stuff that I may or may not use in a year but it will eventually be needed and as long as you organize things it's not a mess. And, it's really nice to be able to go in the shop and grab all the parts and tools I need to do a project without running to the store. Now, that doesn't mean to keep things that you think you might have a small chance of using 20 years down the road. I have thrown out many things that I thought I might use but were just taking up space. But I do keep things like electrical wire and conduit and that stuff so I can add an outlet as needed. Also have a nuts and bolts section that is pretty organized.

Shelves and organization have really helped me. When I started I had a way bigger mess then you, way smaller shop and more stuff then you. I just started plugging away, little by little. Then I would need to start a new project and drag things out and have to start over. But basically I just started shuffling things around seeing what worked and what didn't and kept grouping things into sections until everything had a spot. Sometimes that meant just piling things in a corner that I wanted to be kept together until I got around to them and sorting them out and organizing that little section. I still have a long way to go but it's getting there. I have many shelves that have a group of like things on them that I still need to go back and straighten out. But it's getting there and things are at least sorted and organized into areas and just have to pick an area and work on that a little by little.

I also don't have unlimited funds. Organization takes money, or at least money helps get it done. I've had to do little by little until I could afford more shelves or more hooks or wood to make a organizer for something or plastic bins to sort things. It all adds up. If I had the funds to start I would have fully outfitted the shop and been done.

Just keep at it, little by little. You won't see much progress at first but it will start to come together.
 

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When you run out of floor space, it's time to go vertical. Its the evolutionary process for everything from garages to factories. Once you run out of interior space, time to start putting stuff on covered racks outdoors.

I have always had a knack for organizing, and think that some day it would be fun to run a size business that specialized in organizing people's junk. Build anything from plain 2x4/plywood shelves, to custom metal racking.
 
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Thanks again for the advice everyone!!!

Question, should I start a new thread to document the progress, or just add to this one? And if I should start a new thread, what is the most appropriate forum category? It seems that organization and storage could have its own section on this forum, but I didn't see one.

I still had some temp sideboards on my 32' trailer from hauling off a load of scrap metal last week. I am going to use it to throw big trash items on and depending on how much it is when done just haul it directly to the dump.



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First, I want to say, I wish I had your problem. That being said, looking at your pics, I can't figure out a main theme as to what you use this building for. I see wood working stuff, metal working, lawn equipment, and general clutter. I would suggest planning out areas to isolate each section. Example, you don't want a pile of sawdust next to where you weld of grind metal. Plan areas than incorporate minimal movement while working on a particular project, if that makes sense. Don't have your toolbox and vise on the other end of the building if you are going to be working on a car right inside the overhead doors. Just suggestions, of course but some things to consider.
 
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First, I want to say, I wish I had your problem. That being said, looking at your pics, I can't figure out a main theme as to what you use this building for. I see wood working stuff, metal working, lawn equipment, and general clutter. I would suggest planning out areas to isolate each section. Example, you don't want a pile of sawdust next to where you weld of grind metal. Plan areas than incorporate minimal movement while working on a particular project, if that makes sense. Don't have your toolbox and vise on the other end of the building if you are going to be working on a car right inside the overhead doors. Just suggestions, of course but some things to consider.
I agree with you 100%. I will be setting g it up as you and others suggested. I made a few blunders along the way.

The first one was not wiring it to start. Everything that takes power ended up bunched up because I only had outlets in one corner.

The second was selling my 16' enclosed trailer that was packed floor to ceiling with non-garage items (baby stuff, decorations, 37 pictures frames)... I sold it before I had a good plan in place and before I had enough storage. It ended up in a pile of sorts on one side of the garage, in limbo. Most of it needs to be given away or sold in a garage sale.

The third blunder was just a lack of action in regards to organizing and maintaining. (I will say this summer was a blast, lots of good times!)

Now that winter is around the corner it's great shop weather for my climate, so its time for action!

As far as a theme... you named the main ones...

Moderate metal working is a primary purpose, I enjoy it more and more
Basics of wood working
General vehicle maintenance and repair (myself and occasionally a friend or family member)
Storage for some household items (we don't have an attached garage, that project is just getting started though)
Storage for some toys like 4 wheelers and side by side aka UTV.
Storage for some equipment like mower and tractor and some assecories that I want completely out of the weather.
Storage for other lawn equipment (handheld)



I will post progress pics when I can take one worthy of sharing. I can only work a very small amount after work until kids are down for bed, then I can get in about 2 hours before I have to shut down.


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My Ninja: In case you read this, I just wanted to say your words have been going through my head when cleaning up my **** show. Great motivation. I agree with you.

I am proud of what I have, but no one would know it by looking at this wreck.

And you're right about being amazed at people who accomplish such a feat as building a structure and then let it go to hell.... the insight, enginuity, work ethic, drive, determination, etc was all there to get the building up... and then the drive just disappears? Hell no, not on my watch. Well, I mean not on my watch after 18 months anyways!!

A few late nights and sacrificed weeke ds and I am going to make this particular 1500 square feet of God's green Earth a proper place to do some work in.
What a **** show....

I am always amazed at people that somehow manage to build a decent structure and then it turns into something like this.

Get rid of **** you don't need. If you have not touched it in a year, you don't need it.

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If you have pallet rack storage (can't recommend this enough) you definitely do need some way to lift heavy items up and down from the shelves.

Do you need a forklift? No.

You can use a manual lift such as a Genie GL-4 or GL-8. Yes, it's slow, but it works, requires no maintenance, and can be tucked away in a corner. Watch your local want ads and also check with the rental places to see when they are excessing old equipment to get a deal on one that may need a bit of TLC.
 

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My Ninja: In case you read this, I just wanted to say your words have been going through my head when cleaning up my **** show. Great motivation. I agree with you.

I am proud of what I have, but no one would know it by looking at this wreck.

And you're right about being amazed at people who accomplish such a feat as building a structure and then let it go to hell.... the insight, enginuity, work ethic, drive, determination, etc was all there to get the building up... and then the drive just disappears? Hell no, not on my watch. Well, I mean not on my watch after 18 months anyways!!

A few late nights and sacrificed weeke ds and I am going to make this particular 1500 square feet of God's green Earth a proper place to do some work in.


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Walker 450,

I am over in Broken Arrow and built my 1200 sq ft shop in 1991. I did the same thing as you, building it first for storage. Over the years, my goals for the shop have evolved - storage while building a house on the property - maintenance shed and storage for lawn equipment -car restoration and most recently wood working. I think most people who build shops like to fix, build, repair, create and tend to collect projects. Having been retired for 10 years, I am glad of the projects I have retained. Don't beat yourself up over your current status, just decide what you want to accomplish in the near future and stay on that path until your wants/needs change or your first goal is met and you set a new one. My shop is still not what I would call finished, but I have heat, air, adequate electrical, and I enjoy time out there almost every day.
 
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I forgot to mention that I have a larger 50HP tractor as well that would lift whatever I needed, so no requirement for a forklift.

As long as the whole shop floor is clear I could manuever it where it would have to go.
If you have pallet rack storage (can't recommend this enough) you definitely do need some way to lift heavy items up and down from the shelves.

Do you need a forklift? No.

You can use a manual lift such as a Genie GL-4 or GL-8. Yes, it's slow, but it works, requires no maintenance, and can be tucked away in a corner. Watch your local want ads and also check with the rental places to see when they are excessing old equipment to get a deal on one that may need a bit of TLC.

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