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Hotrod Addiction

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I always see guys on here that have vintage lathes and mills and other antique machines that they say they bought cheap and then repaired. I would love to do this and get some good vintage made in America machines. I looked all over and googled it but couldn't find any that weren't already all fixed up and cost a not so small fortune. Does anyone have a good source for old machinery they would be willing to share?
 
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^^^ This ^^^

But most important, you need to be patient. Decide what you want to find. Research the heck out of it, including other models and manufacturers. Then check out selling prices. Don't just go on ebay and look at the asking price on current auctions, Those aren't "you ****" prices. Click on the sidebar options to see the selling prices, that will give you a better idea of what the market is setting prices at, on a national level. Then try to figure out how your local market compares. It varies by item at any given time.

If you have a "need it now" mentality in your search, you will almost always pay more than you wanted for the item. (Been there, done that. Still do.) Finding the right item, with the right seller, at the right time, takes work and patience.

Then, when you find that perfect item and start to fix it up, you will find that the parts or manuals that you need aren't available. More patience and searching. I once spent 3yrs actively searching for a manual for a riding mower, some tools I may never find a manual for. I am still looking. It's all part of the "hobby". ;)

Happy hunting. :thumbup:
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Here's the best advice about old machines I ever saw... Do you want to work ON them or WITH them? There's a reason old machines sell cheap; that's because they don't work or are just worn out and need to be replaced, also keep in mind getting parts can sometimes present a problem, especially if the company is no longer in business. If you enjoy and want to work WITH machines, buy new.
 

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Equipment dealers. They sometimes have tradeins that you'd like. Find out where local auctioneers advertise. Here it is the farm paper. Look at this site http://www.sdaa.net/

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Finding good used equipment depends a lot on your location. Here in the rust belt, stuff is sort of plentiful.

I have had decent luck finding stuff on Craigslist and auctions. I've bought a few pieces from equipment dealers but the prices are generally higher than auctions or private sellers.

You do need to be educated on what you're looking for and be prepared to walk away from junk if you run across it. I've left a couple auctions without registering when the machine I was interested in turned out to be a POS.

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I've been restoring vintage Delta/Rockwell and Powermatic woodworking machines for 10 years. It's a great hobby but as Reggin has stated above, if you are not going to ultimately use them, be prepared to break even or take a slight loss when it comes time to selling if fully restored. You can find machinery at bottom feeder prices but the key is to be patient and find machines intact and for the most part complete. The high dollar items are machine guards and OEM motors. vintagemachinery.org and owwm.org are great places to start.
 

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Givl Reggin;
depends on the machine.......

my buddy Tom is a used machine dealer......
he uses a 1920s Niagara 3/16"X10' gap shear to make dumpster parts in his spare time

his friends wanted to know why he didn't use the nice 2 year old Wysong 3/16"X10' shear????

Tom's answer "when they scrap that Wysong......my 85 year old ***** will only need to be sharpened"

I have an old Niagara 14gaX4' gap shear:thumbup:

if I tighten it up, it will cut a piece of paper full width:lol:
the POS probably weighs 1,500 lbs
it sits outside in my mother's back yard under a 55 year old piece of Hurculon......blades greased, table oiled
right next to my Chicago 14gaX4' leaf brake

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my buddy Tom is a used machine dealer......
he uses a 1920s Niagara 3/16"X10' gap shear to make dumpster parts in his spare time

A close family friend has custom designed and built industrial automation for ultra high production lines full time for 25 years and doesnt own anything newer than 1960. Yes, worn out junk exists but older high precision low hours machines still are out there if you look. Personally, I think the pinnacle of US machine tool manufacturing was ~1970 regarding quality and Id much rather have a $5k (new) machine from back then than a $20k machine made today. Manual machine tool design and manufacturing since hasnt changed much.

OP - start with either a lathe or a mill. Research via the practicalmachinist.com forums the proper ways to evaluate a machine....specifically regarding topics like wear on machine ways, lead/feed screws, and spindle bearings. Learn the difference between a pretty machine and an accurate machine, its very important. If youve never operated a machine tool or its been awhile since shop class, a class or becoming friends with a local machinist is very useful not just for the operations experience but also bc it helps you figure out what a machine should "feel" like when setup properly - drive a Caddy first and itll help you decide what you really want in a Honda.

As for locating a machine, network and try the suggestions mentioned above. Populated areas are where industry is/was generally, so search near cities specifically. There are also local metalworking clubs in many areas that might help. When you do find a machine, read up on its limitations and ask yourself if thats really going to satisfy you. Ive personally never operated a machine tool too big but many too small. My current lathe came from a school auction, my mill was a tipoff on a forum about a dealer closing shop, and the shaper was misadvertised as a horizontal mill on CList. The lathe I drove 10 miles for, it had plenty of tooling, and required almost no effort. The mill I made a 4 hour round trip for, came with no tooling, and needed quite a lot of cleaning. The shaper was a rusty lump of solid/stuck iron missing quite a few parts, but its a cute lil thing, was fun to completely restore, and a ball to use so I didnt mind.
 
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At our door facility, we have over 50% what I would call vintage machinery. Our group rebuilds, modifies, installs and maintains this equipment, along with alot of newer stuff. I much prefer the older equipment for quality and ease of working on/maintaining. We buy most of our stuff from IRS Auctions, and purchased a Bridgeport Mill, which was at Lockheed Martin and Ford, and a Cincinnati Lathe, but of which I use often. IRS Auction prices have gone up in the recent years though.
 

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I always see guys on here that have vintage lathes and mills and other antique machines that they say they bought cheap and then repaired. I would love to do this and get some good vintage made in America machines. I looked all over and googled it but couldn't find any that weren't already all fixed up and cost a not so small fortune. Does anyone have a good source for old machinery they would be willing to share?

I sent you a PM, or at least tried to. Let me know if you don't get it. It's regarding a dealer in 2'nd hand industrial equipment in your area.
 
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Sorry everyone my computer just went down at home a while ago and then that freak blizzard came through and snowed us all in for a few days. This is the first time I have been back on since posting this thread. Thanks for the great suggestions everyone and Voi I did get the PM, thanks, reply sent.
 

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Here in the south where manufacturing used to be HUGE, it's easy to find most whatever you want at auction. Patience is of course key, but if you look long enough and don't mind a few hours drive, anything is available. Or you can buy them at a mark-up from equipment dealers, scrap yards, or even on craigslist from time to time.
 
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OWWM.org has a specific section for buying and selling old metal working machines, although their primary interest is old woodworking machinery, hence the name.
 

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I have several old Delta wood working machines from the 1940s and 1950s. I came by them in a variety of ways to include receiving one from an old neighbor for free, buying one from a relative, buying one from my parents neighbor, buying one from a local Craig's List "For Sale" ad which resulted in me buying a second machine from the same guy at a later date, being contacted by a guy who was selling one and responded to my Vintage Machinery online "Want To Buy" ad, and me responding to a Vintage Machinery "For Sale" ad. Each machine was in original, unrestored conditon, retaining 98% or more of their original parts. I don't buy them if they've been restored in any way, are missing their original motors, are missing major or hard to find parts, have incurred serious damage, repairs (welding, etc.), alterations. Basically, they have to be used but not abused machines in original condition. Those machines are not easy to find, but to me, are well worth the search and effort to track them down. They may cost a little more, but I'd rather pay for a machine that hasn't been messed with, and still has all of its original parts. Chasing down expensive parts and/or hard to find parts, making costly repairs, and undoing poor "restorations" isn't for me. I like an old machine to look old. I don't mind some patina and a little character. Patience and vigillance my friend, patience and vigillance.

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If your luck is anything like mine it will go something like this.

Say you are looking hard for a drill press because that is what you need ATM. You won't be able to find a drill press for months at a good deal/condition/quality/location. However you will trip over jointers, bandsaws, lathes, tablesaws, basically anything but a drill press. :lol:

Time goes on and you are now looking for say a bandsaw. Same deal you won't be able to find one if your life depended on it. Yet you will trip over things you don't need or were looking for in the past such as the previously mentioned drill press. :mad:

Basically what I'm trying to get across is that in my experience you will find exactly what you are looking for when you stop looking for it and have moved on. As others have said, look everywhere and anywhere. If someone says they have a basement full of old rusted tools. Go check them out. Garage sales, Craigslist, ebay, forum classifieds, just driving along and someone sets something out to the curb with a price tag on it. Just never know where something may turn up.
 

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I find a lot of old machines at the local state auction. It's always a **** shoot whether you get a working machine or not. Almost always you will need additional parts. The plus side is, the price is usually scrap price so buying missing/broken parts still gets you a machine for a decent price.

Another good source is craigslist, just keep an eye out and always ask if they barter. You could end up swapping something you didn't need for something you will use, it's a win - win.

Make a list of every piece of machinery that you would like to have, search all the classifieds and only buy when it's a really good price. Before long, you will have all of your list and not a lot of money invested. This time last year, my want list was long and my money short. Here a year later I have a 4' finger brake, 12x36 lathe, horizontal and vertical milling machines, couple drill presses, 4-5 grinders, sandblaster, band saw, sanders, vises out the yazoo and more with less than $1000 ******* in it. If you include what I bought, refurbed and sold to upgrade, I am in the plus, only time invested. :beer:
 

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Here in the U.K. there are a number of machine dealers locally, but they never have the best prices. Once you have decided what you want, and what's a good price, you can do worse than fleabay! Most machines need collecting, so that limits buyers to local folks, and bargains can often be had! Generally speaking, the bigger the machine, the better value it will be!

Many amateurs don't have the space for a big machine, so that affects the used value. Big machines wear better too. I have seen many big machines with hardly any wear sell for very reasonable prices. Conversely, an elderly watchmaker I knew told me it took him years to learn that the only reason watchmakers sell their lathes, is that they are worn out!

Having said that, don't buy something that is too costly to move, or too big to work on alone!

Ensure that whatever you buy is complete. If it's a lathe, for example, ensure that it's complete with headstock, tailstock, crosslide, toolpost, chuck, etc! I know you can sometimes find these parts, but sometimes you can't, and then they need to be fitted! Accessories are different, and you can take your time collecting these, but ensure you have the basics!

Never buy anything with damaged castings or signs of abuse. I know castings can be repaired, but it's a lot of hassle and seldom worth it financially. If a machine has signs of abuse that you can see (burred screw slots, hammer marks etc) then there's probably much more damage you can't see, so avoid it!

Having got your machine, take your time and clean it up! Start by cleaning up the bare metal. Wire wool and machine oil can make an amazing difference to cast iron, and you won't damage it. Use engine degreaser or proper machine cleaner on the painted surfaces. If any paint is worn to bare metal I repaint (using enamel paint) otherwise I generally leave alone.

Badly rusted parts usually get a week's soak in Boric acid (No, it doesn't eat the metal, or anything else, just the rust) then a quick scrub with wire wool and oil! If there's still too much patina use emery paper, but ensure all the dust is blown out! Contact surfaces can be re ground easily - find your local tool grinder and he will usually skim the relevant bits cheap!

Re assemble using new screws if req'd, and set the machine up correctly. An original manual can be helpful here, but you can usually figure most of it out! I always have electric motors reconditioned as I can get it done locally and cheaply, and the insulation is almost always past it. I get replacement switchgear at the same time (the re con and switchgear usually leave me change from £60 if it's a standardish motor).

Finally, I'm not averse to making improvements. I generally have all hand wheels and scales chrome plated, whether they started out that way or not! Take your time, enjoy the job, and you may be surprised what your machine is worth!
 
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Apparently, the Business Administration schools are teaching a "scorched earth" policy these days. I am hearing more often of perfectly good old machine tools being sold for scrap when there have been better offers from employees or private parties (not commercial users who could be considered "competition") who would appreciate them.

As a result, the machines that end up in scrap yards often are damaged by improper handling or exposure to the elements. This is shameful.
 

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A note on 7echo's reference to Plaza Machinery in Vermont. Joe Bergamo, the owner, apparently passed away a while ago. Joe was a stand-up, helpful guy and his place was the source of good older USA-built machines and parts for many of us. The website is down and I have not heard what will become of the place.

Tom B.
 
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