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I'm looking to start my tool collection and I have a 50% off my first craftsman tool set coupon. I am looking at getting the 413 pc tool set for $299 or the 540 for $650. My question is do y'all think the difference is worth the extra 350 bucks? the links below are the two kits.

http://www.sears.com/craftsman-540-piece-mechanics-tool-set/p-00949540000P?sellerId=SEARS&prdNo=13&blockNo=13&blockType=G13

http://www.sears.com/craftsman-413-pc-mechanics-tool-set/p-00933413000P?sellerId=SEARS&prdNo=12&blockNo=12&blockType=G12
 
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The one that's made in the USA
Oh wait, are either one of of the sets
made in the USA ?

Stay with the USA made tools, I agree. Much better off. The way to look at it is to look what type of work you do and which set has the content of what you need.

Remember, adding piecemeal later on gets expensive versus a set price.
 

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I hate to tell you but I like the bigger set. Most likely would be worth the extra bucks. You will be buying the stuff any way might as well get it at 50 0/0 off
 

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Find the made in USA set with the semi-deep sockets.
 

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I would compare the sockets in each set, Sometimes they add a lot of filler junk you don't need. If both kits use all or most of the same sizes sockets then i would get the cheaper set and buy better grade wrenches and screw drivers


Edit: I think sears has a socket only master set. Then I would do Gearwrench in 120xp ratchets, there ratchet wrenches and even the long wrench sets and Williams screwdrivers
 
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I'm looking to start my tool collection and I have a 50% off my first craftsman tool set coupon. I am looking at getting the 413 pc tool set for $299 or the 540 for $650. My question is do y'all think the difference is worth the extra 350 bucks? the links below are the two kits.

http://www.sears.com/craftsman-540-piece-mechanics-tool-set/p-00949540000P?sellerId=SEARS&prdNo=13&blockNo=13&blockType=G13

http://www.sears.com/craftsman-413-pc-mechanics-tool-set/p-00933413000P?sellerId=SEARS&prdNo=12&blockNo=12&blockType=G12

Something some people do not think about when they buy a set of tools is whether or not they will be living in the same place or moving frequently. Another thing to think about is which type of tool storage to invest in. The bigger the set, the bigger the box to store them in and how difficult it will be to move around. Also, you should understand the type of work you will be doing and what tools will do best in your line of work. Are you working on both SAE and metric fasteners? Both sets have both SAE and metric tools.

It seems like the Craftsman tool sets they sell at Sears are always missing something and missing pieces can add up if you need them. After a quick review of both sets I noticed how each set had something the other did not.

Some of the things I quickly noticed was the 540 has thin profile ratchets, no punch & chisel set, no large metric tools up to 32mm, missing arc joint & diagonal cutting pliers, no locking pliers, no clip ring pliers, no external torx tools, has a lot of screwdrivers, has lots of what looks like complete sets of sockets in 1/16" sizes (no 1/32" sizes), no 3/4" drive sockets, no feeler gauges, no pry bars, no tape measure, no socket rails, no adjustable wrenches, no drag links, no open end wrenches, no hammers, no deep offset wrenches, no hacksaws, no strap wrenches, no torque wrenches, no gear pullers, no tap& dies set, no inspection mirrors or magnetic pick up tools, etc.

Just glimpsing at it the 413 is missing a lot of the same stuff but it does not have a bunch of the sockets the 540 does. However, the 413 does have some larger sockets like the 32mm socket in it.

Between these sets I would say I would consider the 540 piece set but I don't know what type of work you are doing. It can be overkill to have all these tools and only need SAE or metric. This day in time I would suggest having both in order to be prepared.

Years ago Northern Tool was selling an SAE Allen master mechanic's tool set without storage for about $1700 with free shipping. The Allen set was made in the USA with a lifetime warranty and they were industrial grade tools. Try going over the picture of the Allen set and try adding up the cost of the missing tools from the Craftsman set. Ask yourself if you would save any money.
 

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errr.... why would you need sockets in 1/32" increments unless you're working on antique American automobiles?

just sayin'...... :headscrat

The 1/4" drive sockets have 32nd sizes but the 1/2" drive set is missing them in the 12 point set. I just pointed it out. It seems like no matter how many tools you have you'll always need another tool added to your set.
 
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My plan is to do general auto repair (brake jobs ec.) for me and friends. Both would probably be over kill but I just bought a house an in the process of having a 20x20 shop built. Im thinking I'll get the 44" HF tool box so storage shouldn't be an issue.
 

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errr.... why would you need sockets in 1/32" increments unless you're working on antique American automobiles?

just sayin'...... :headscrat

Here's an old thread about them. Some of the people came up with some interesting answers. It pays to be prepared. I have a set of 32nd size tools in my Craftsman tool set. My 32nd sockets are tucked away in the back of a drawer next to the drag links and spark plug sockets.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=141621
 

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ahhh... yeah... 1/4" drive you run into 9/32" and 11/32" on some stuff... I don't think I've ever used my 7/32".
the old 19/32", 21/32" and 25/32" 1/2" drive sockets were pretty much standard way back when. phased out later.
I'll check out the thread you've cited there.
 

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My Armstrong 3/8" drive socket set has the 11/32" and 19/32" standard sockets in it. The Armstrong set only has the 11/32" deep socket in 3/8" drive but both in standard depth sockets. I think I have used all of the 32nd size sockets in my 1/4" drive socket set. From what I understand, a fastener can be designed with requirements that make it have to have the extra material to be able to do what it is designed to do. Having the tools ready to go if, and when the time comes can make things go smoother. A lot of the stuff I have worked on has been in 1/16ths but like I said earlier I have used the 32nd tools in the 1/4" drive size frequently.
 

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yeah.... 1/4" drive ... I run into those on lawnmowers frequently ... somebody in the other thread mentioned Tecumseh.
but when I posted that above - I was thinking about all the x/32 sockets I have in 1/2" drive, or the x/32 double-end box wrenches I own, none of which ever get used, because I don't work on flathead Fords or old farm equipment.
little stuff (1/4" drive) - yeah, you're going to need them.
bigger - (19/32", 21/32", 25/32") I don't think you're going to have a need for them unless you're working on antiques.
 
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Often the larger sets have the larger sizes in them. The larger sizes don't get used as often for most general applications but they are also the more expensive pieces.
The basic Cman screwdrivers are cheap in sets on sale so I would look at some of the other things the bigger set offers and make your judgement on that

Bob
 

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My Craftsman set has both SAE and metric tools in it. It also has a lot of the largest sized tools Craftsman has to offer. Sometimes I work on stuff and need some bigger tools. A few days ago I used a Craftsman 1-1/4" socket on a Briggs twin engine flywheel nut. I have used the 1-1/8" deep socket to work on a mower deck spindle. When I work on a truck with metric fasteners I use the metric tools. One time I was threading something and used a die that took a large 1-7/16" wrench to turn it. A lot of the stuff I work on have fasteners of many different shapes and sizes.

Have you tried pricing how much it would cost to assemble your own custom set of Craftsman tools? It is like some of the other guys are saying, you can buy a lot of tools with $650 when you build your own set from scratch.
 

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Craftsman's "Big" set used to include their 3/4" Drive Set---see photo

The "New Big" set doesn't have the 3/4" stuff...

That can be had from Harbor Freight for about $59.99...if you have a 20% off coupon you can get it for about $ 45.00...

That's what I did...

If I was you...

I'd get the big 540 piece set...By the way, the 540 pc set is on sale for $ 999.00...With your 50% Discount --- Would you get it for $ 499.50???...To quote, my hero, Yoda --- "Good idea, that is!!!

Then go to HF and pick up your 44" Roller and the 3/4" Drive Socket Set...

With your discount, you'd have 560 tools and a roller cabinet for about a grand...

And that's a great price!!!

Some of the other posters suggest that you order stuff individually, but that won't get your discount from Craftsman, will it???....I built my set piecmeal, but I didn't have a "discount" available...

By the way, when Sears "closed out" the "old big set", about two years ago, they were selling them for $ 349.00!!!
 

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US made would be nice for the jobs but I pass a sears store everyday on my way to work is the main reason I'm looking at craftsman sets... not to mention the 50% off
 

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I would get the larger set if you can get it at half off. Go to the store and see if Made in USA. I bought a 200 pc mechanic's set 9 years ago for $99 plus 30% off and it was 100% made in USA. I was shocked since Sears was going under and it's been a great spare set to keep in the truck.
 

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US made would be nice for the jobs but I pass a sears store everyday on my way to work is the main reason I'm looking at craftsman sets... not to mention the 50% off

You are on the right line of thought here. Buy the biggest Sears set you an afford and go from there. If there is a piece missing and you need to add so what, no sense to triple pay for the rest of it "just in case"
These sets are a super deal, USA or not and the quality is identical or may even better with the new ones, no worse at any rate.
I don't care all that much for Sears pliers anyway, score some brand stuff on these items and most are reasonable anyway, Channelok and Vise Grip.
You don't got to get it all in one set but whats so great about Sears is the cost. For a couple reasons, one being the stuff generally works and the larger set comes with improved ratchets I believe,, but,,, there are tools never or seldom used and some used all the time. Cheap entrance price gives a chance to find this out, some sockets one rarely if ever used doesn't matter how good they are and can sit there at a dollar or at 30$.
Everyones concept of money is different and at the time it always feels like a lot but in the tool world a grand isn't but a pinch and puts this stuff at disposable prices and depreciable in a year kind of money. Under 3$ a day for a year, not even worth carrying insurance on.
50% off makes this double good and you should be all over this asap.
 
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I would get which ever set has the 84T Slim Profile ratchets, Those are the ratchets which are essentially Gearwrench models. Apex makes for both companies.

www.foamfittools.com has USA Craftsman industrial with pre made foam organizers all in a package. Not a bad idea at all.

Tell us about this 50% off Craftsman coupon you have??
 

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Craftsman's "Big" set used to include their 3/4" Drive Set---see photo

The "New Big" set doesn't have the 3/4" stuff...

That can be had from Harbor Freight for about $59.99...if you have a 20% off coupon you can get it for about $ 45.00...

That's what I did...

If I was you...

I'd get the big 540 piece set...By the way, the 540 pc set is on sale for $ 999.00...With your 50% Discount --- Would you get it for $ 499.50???...To quote, my hero, Yoda --- "Good idea, that is!!!

Then go to HF and pick up your 44" Roller and the 3/4" Drive Socket Set...

With your discount, you'd have 560 tools and a roller cabinet for about a grand...

And that's a great price!!!

Some of the other posters suggest that you order stuff individually, but that won't get your discount from Craftsman, will it???....I built my set piecmeal, but I didn't have a "discount" available...

By the way, when Sears "closed out" the "old big set", about two years ago, they were selling them for $ 349.00!!!

Wish I knew about that old big kit for 349. Can't really beat that price even at a flea market buying tools for a quarter.
 

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The 50% is the student/tech discount. First buy with the coupon gets 50% off a mechanics set regular price (should be $1300 cut, but it's Sears and their website is junk so you may get it for current price in half). After that, it's the 20% off coupon on tools.

Go with the 540 piece and upgrade what is when you need to upgrade it (you'll find what you use the most when you place in a job). It also gives you a backup beater if you ever need it (with warranty).

I'd also watch for price drops on other sets that may be of use depending on what you're wanting to do:
5-pc scraper set
5-pc Craftsman hammer set (wood handle, 4 ball pein and 1 rubber/plastic tipped) or the 5-pc Ball pein hammer set (all steel)
5-pc Craftsman pry bar set
3-pc Craftsman pro pry bars
31" Craftsman pro pry bar
10" Craftsman pro pry bar


Even if stuff says not for sale (the stupid drop down), it's still for sale but only when stock gets refilled so check back. When it lists clearance with no shipping and no local pickup, it's no longer made.


Just always good to keep your eyes open and hunt for the deals!
 

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bigger sets = more for your money..

at 1/2 price this is a no brainer.. there is no real difference between the newer usa vs offshore made craftsman sockets.. i wouldn't be jumping through hoops trying to find one.. if they are side by side on the shelf than yes, usa just for the principle i suppose. they all work the same, all have the same warranty. sometimes people let their own feelings get in the way of advice..
 

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I also would recommend the larger set. MUCH nicer ratchets, shorty's, line wrenches and has the ratcheting wrenches with the reversing switch. Good luck!
 

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So.....just so all of us will know.......which tool set did you buy with the 50% off coupon and was the coupon good on sale prices or just retail prices?
 

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im partial to gearwrench tools. craftsman tools are just not made very well anymore and i HATE sets that are missing sizes. That is so annoying. However 50% off is 50% off and that's a damn good deal. Go with the bigger set.
 

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If you can find the larger set as a USA set, that's what I would purchase. Figure out what it's missing and build your set from there.
 
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