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Which drill driver and impact driver combo kit?

ApexPredator

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Guys I want to get a nice drill driver and a impact driver combo kit and I was looking at this Milwaukee set http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200371376_200371376 or this Bosch set http://www.lowes.com/pd_354193-353-CLPK232-180_4294857540_4294937087_?productId=3464300&Ns=p_product_prd_lis_ord_nbr|0||p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl_Combo%2BKits_4294857540_4294937087_%3Fpage%3D2%26Ns%3Dp_product_prd_lis_ord_nbr%7C0%7C%7Cp_product_qty_sales_dollar%7C1&facetInfo= I would need to order this ASAP. I would probably be able to use a 10% discount coupon for the Bosch kit a Lowes. What would you purchase?
 
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I have pretty good luck with Bosch drills/impacts. I actually have the older model of that Bosch kit you posted. It's not bad but I prefer my 12V Bosch.

Have you looked at what else they made that use those batteries? Like a saw or something. Just something to look at if you want to expand your power tools.
 

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I just bought that Milwaukee kit a few weeks ago at HD. I love it, but haven't used it that much yet. Look online. There are lots of reviews out there. I was just looking at a Tool mag yesterday in my local grocery store that had a review - said the Milwaukee drill was very good.
 

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I just bought the smaller Milwaukee impact (12v) a few weeks ago for removing small fasteners. I can't believe how much I use and love it. I have also always had good luck with Bosch. I don't think you can go wrong either way.
 

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I've got the Hitachi Li-Ion 12v drill/driver and impact kit. I've been very impressed with it. I used it to drive 3" screws into a locust fence I was building this summer. But I have heard good things about the Milwaukee and Bosch as well.
 

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I have a Milwaukee set just like that. Milwaukee has a really excellent battery circuitry to protect its battery. Big plus for Milwaukee since it has the battery fuel indicator.

Many great feedback from Bosch but I have never own a set.
 
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I was thinking of purchasing a little 12 volt bosch impact driver as well to use in tight place which I think would compliment the 18 volt kit well. Any other suggestions? Looks like makita and bosch are very well liked among this crowd.
 

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I'm a big Milwaukee fan. Plenty of power, fast charging batteries and no problems for three years running.
 

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just bought the dewalt 18V combo for 169 minus 10% Not Lithium Ion but works well for my needs. Used it to drive 3" screws into treated lumber all day Saturday with no problems, put the battery on charge during lunch, not sure if I needed to. All my other tools are Dewalt and the batteries interchange
 

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I lasted all of about 1 week when my existing cordless died =) despite saying i'd stick with my large corded drill. I picked up the HD makita package. I like it, lion is so much lighter, though that kit does come with the lower amperage battery (so less capacity)...which i didn't think of, so i'd compare battery pack amps all that is hidden under the flashy 18V stuff.

Anyways one thing i thought was gimmicky was that LED light and damn if that hasn't been like 10X more useful than i thought it would be!

You probably can't go wrong with any of those on your list.
 

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note that dewalt are phasing out to newer second generation li-ion battery type. this newer style battery do not support/fit older dewalt tools.
 

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dewalt batteries are 5-6times more powerful than any other brands. not sure if they design to its max capacity but the cells has that capability.

Sooner or later, all makers will conform to battery cells used in Dewalt 20v line.
 

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My old nicad ridgid hammer drill was heavy as hell. This makita is so light and i picked up a corded hammer awhile back so didn't need that again, wanted light. But as mentioned look up the ah of the batteries if you need runtime. I like this makita, but the kits have the 1.5 ah batteries listed in 24wh on the battery (math is closer to 1.3amp), didn't even cross my mind to think of that. They have a 2.5 (i think) battery version too. Runtime for drilling and driving is pretty good and they recharge quick enough but it's not like the runtime i got with my old one when it was new which was probably 2.5 nicads. I do end up using both batteries when drilling a lot (a hint to probably break out the corded) or driving lots of screws.

Also I like the charger, the charger fan will shut off a bit after the charge, which my old rigid never did so you'd have to unplug it unless you wanted to listen to whirring 24/7.
 
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Unfortunately, many of the 18V combo kits tend to be a compromise in that they don't contain the high end of the brand's line-up. For example, IMHO the best 18V impact driver available right now is the Makita LXDT01Z (formerly the BTD144Z), but it's not in any of the drill/driver combo kits.
 

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^NO IT IS NOT!

Again, cordless tool is dictate by the power source and its ability to sustain the energy through out the job. All batteries suffer from power sag but the battery cells in Dewalt 20v suffer much less.

Everybody on here should research about A123 batteries. They are the Cadillac of all batteries and Dewalt 20v should consider the top performer of all. There's a growing industry of battery operated tool/machinery/car bc it is THAT MUCH BETTER!

Generally, youll see regular Lithium-Ion (cobalt based) has discharge capacity of upward of 10A, A123 branded Li-Fe-PO4 may discharge upward of 60A. This might replaces the lead acid batteries in the future. Youtube A123 and youll see ppl use the battery pack to start up cars.

Li-Fe-PO4 is a lot safer and much better than typical Li-Ion cells.
 

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No, cordless tool is not dictated by the power source. That's just a part of the picture.

The Makita has 3 very useful settings for speed and impacting. The DeWalts do not. The DeWalt is heavier, longer, and has lower maximum torque.

Several of my friends work for A123. They make good batteries. That doesn't mean I'm going to buy everything with a lithium iron phosphate battery in it.
 

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3-4 yrs ago, I bought the Makita 18V drill, impact, sawsall and flashlight combo pack. Came with two 3Ah batteries. As a homeowner, and family handyman, totally satisfied.
 

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Which one cost more? battery pack or the tool(drill or impact) itself?

The best design in clutch and motor is useless if there is no power to hold it, IMO. LiFePO4 is currently the best all around for battery. All cordless maybe excellent out of the box but over time of usage, I beleive you'll find LiFePO4 chemistry to be better than other lithium types. To understand what I am speaking of, there are a lot of information out there provided to compare the general li-ion vs lifepo4.

A123 is the current leader in the LiFePO4 and Sony, Samsung, Sanyo haven't gotten there yet like A123.

You shouldn't but I am trying to share my knowledge in batteries and letting ppl know what are the options out there. Most ppl don't know what exactly Li-Ion batteries are but only know that li-ion is the next greatest thing.

Li-ion batteries has been use in the laptop computer for the last decade or two but never on tools until lately. That's bc the juice provided by the battery was never high enough to use safely and li-ion has the issue of thermal run away. LiFePO4 has a lower risk in safety concern and able to provide the best power.

No, cordless tool is not dictated by the power source. That's just a part of the picture.

The Makita has 3 very useful settings for speed and impacting. The DeWalts do not. The DeWalt is heavier, longer, and has lower maximum torque.

Several of my friends work for A123. They make good batteries. That doesn't mean I'm going to buy everything with a lithium iron phosphate battery in it.
 

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bought he makita drill and driver combo. use the impact on small bolts daily 10mm -14mm and use the drill to drill through exhaust to do smog diagnosis. no complaints lightweight, small, powerful, good battery life and full charge in 15 mins.
 

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Which one cost more? battery pack or the tool(drill or impact) itself?

Doesn't matter; if the battery doesn't fit in the best tool for my money, I don't care how good the battery might be. But for the sake of argument, look up the prices. For a quality pro-grade 18V impact driver or drill, the bare tool is more than a replacement battery (slim pack or fat pack). Often more than 2X the price of a replacement battery.

Many of us wind up with tools for which we can't buy batteries anymore. Not because the technology has reached end of life (it hasn't), but because the tool companies have changed their form factor. Ni-Cd, for example, still has its place in tools due to working just dandy at low temperatures with low duty cycles. But try finding a battery for a 10+ year old 14.4V tool... in many cases, they no longer exist. If you're lucky enough to have original battery cases that are still fully functional, you can repack. But for contractor tools, batteries are sometimes destroyed by impact damage and not by charge/drain cycles. Drop it off a 2-story roof or extension ladder onto concrete or asphalt a few times in sub-freezing temperatures... buh-bye battery case.

The best design in clutch and motor is useless if there is no power to hold it, IMO.

I don't own any cordless tools without batteries. Or even sub-par batteries. I'll continue to use great cordless tools with Li-Ion and Ni-Cd batteries, and great corded and pneumatic tools with no batteries.

LiFePO4 is currently the best all around for battery. All cordless maybe excellent out of the box but over time of usage, I beleive you'll find LiFePO4 chemistry to be better than other lithium types. To understand what I am speaking of, there are a lot of information out there provided to compare the general li-ion vs lifepo4.

Irrelevant to me. If it isn't available for the best tool for my money, it's just new technology that may someday wind up in a tool I'd truly like to own.

You might choose to buy a CODA over a Chevy Volt due to a better battery and more than double on-battery range, but I personally wouldn't make that mistake. Even if the Chevy Volt had no gasoline engine and generator for extended range. The Volt is simply a much better car for the money (understatement).

A123 is the current leader in the LiFePO4 and Sony, Samsung, Sanyo haven't gotten there yet like A123.

Irrelevant to me. I don't work for A123, Sony, Samsung or Sanyo. I don't buy batteries to sit on a shelf and dream of what's inside; I buy them to power my devices. And in most cases, I get by with the batteries that come with the tool for the life of the form factor. I've had a couple of Ni-Cd repacked, but no Li-Ions have died on me yet. My now ancient (by battery usage) iPhone 3G battery still works fine, as does the one in my MacBook Pro.

I've not once had a safety issue with a Ni-Cd or Li-Ion battery in a tool. Come to think of it, I've not had a real safety issue with any battery, ever. They happen, I've just not had it happen to me yet. I've had one modern battery self-destruct on me: a very early (and hence prohibitively expensive for consumer use) development-level lithium iron phospate battery whose case cracked during thermal shock testing (standard automotive testing). Not reflective of the technology at all; a whole lot of stuff fails during early design validation. Take the data, correct the design, rinse and repeat. But I don't buy tools based on "Gee, I might have a safety issue with Li-ion or Ni-Cd batteries" because I've never had a safety issue with either in a tool and don't know anyone who has.

I've had no significant issues with Ni-Cd or Li-ion. I always have a spare battery, and they charge fast enough for me to keep one battery in the charger and cycle batteries as needed w/o a wait for charging. For home use, I typically get through many jobs w/o a trip to the charger. Even with my Ni-Cd powered tools. Of course I don't try to drive huge lag screws with a 12V or smaller tool; I use the right tool for the job. Today, an 18V Li-Ion driver will handle most anything you throw at it, if you can get it in position. I can cut multiple holes in 1.5" of hardwood plywood with a hole saw and still have charge left to drive many handfuls of screws. When I run out of charge, the spare battery is ready to go and a recharge only takes 30 minutes (15 for the slim pack). 2000 recharge cycles for a good quality Li-Ion is plenty for homeowner use and enough for almost all professional applications. For sub-0F use, I use my older Ni-Cd with no complaints.

I'll be happy to use lithium iron phosphate when it shows up in tools I like versus the competition, with no complaints.
 

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things to look for, considering Makita, Hitachi, Milwaukee, Bosch all have a great product (even Dewalt is suppose):

Battery cost/ replacement
Battery Ah, most cheaper models have 1.5ah, longer lasting have 3.0ah!
LED lights
Clutches and speeds, especially impacts
Weight

I have a impact and clutched drill from Hitachi that has been amazing for over 3 yrs heavy use. The 3.0ah batteries are just now starting to loose full charge. Replacements are out there, but Hitachi changed design to a "slide" style, not a traditional bottom snap in battery = hard to find $75+ batteries

check out this site, great prices on Makita, Hitachi, +

www.bigskytools.com
 

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I've owned and/or used every 18V tool on the market, and the DeWalt 20V Max are the best I've seen, no contest.

I don't even like DeWalt all that much, but once you start really examining them, the superior design of the new line is pretty significant.
 

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I think dewalt fell behind for a bit and then launched the 12 and 20 volt max lines that is beating all the other stuff out there in it's classes. They want to be known as the leader, it is probably one of the top 3 name plates in tools
 

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things to look for, considering Makita, Hitachi, Milwaukee, Bosch all have a great product (even Dewalt is suppose):

Battery cost/ replacement
Battery Ah, most cheaper models have 1.5ah, longer lasting have 3.0ah!
LED lights
Clutches and speeds, especially impacts
Weight

I have a impact and clutched drill from Hitachi that has been amazing for over 3 yrs heavy use. The 3.0ah batteries are just now starting to loose full charge. Replacements are out there, but Hitachi changed design to a "slide" style, not a traditional bottom snap in battery = hard to find $75+ batteries

check out this site, great prices on Makita, Hitachi, +

www.bigskytools.com
I totally agree. I think you will be fine with any of the aboved mentioned brands. They ALL have strong products...I think a lot of it comes down to you and what you like. I own all the mentioned brands (various tools) and love them all. I think its funny that Black and Decker own Dewalt/Milwakee, since their own products are horrible. I don't have any experience with Bosch but I'm sure they will work great. Its kinda like Snap-on vs Matco vs Mac....A lot of it comes down to preference...
 

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I'm not sure how to reply to your comment and much of opinions since your view is just to settle on what will work. I guess that's fine for most ppl but some ppl would like to know what is best out there; may be you don't agree but i'm just here to share my knowledge and not to impede any great idea/invention out there.

Going back with motor/clutch design vs battery: motor/clutch design have been ancient technology that has been established but many have always wonder about battery and its capabilities. Again, engineers can push the envelope on the motor/clutch design but if you don't have the best power source out there, that design is useless. Is power source important? Yes. Is it more important than the components it drives? Yes, in most cases bc battery technology is not at its peak yet, IMO.

AC power source isn't a big concern bc you "basically" have infinite juice(current) behind it BUT NOT BATTERY POWER SOURCE! That's why battery is important.
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I'll be happy to use lithium iron phosphate when it shows up in tools I like versus the competition, with no complaints.
 

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I have a few industry friends (electrician and high-end kitchen cabinets installers) that swear by Panasonic cordless.

In this case, its all about their batteries- 3.3Ah!! But like Festool, the admission price to this club is expensive.
 

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Why no love for Home Depot's Ridgid drill/driver combo packs? The Lifetime service, parts, and free batteries has me seriously contemplating one of their 5pc packs.
 

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I have the milwaukee m12 screwdriver and 1/4 hex impact. It's rock solid.
 

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I was/considered the rigids before the makita. Can't remember why i choose the makita ( think i was in a anti b&d owns the PC & dewalt,etc mood that day) or the local store had an instore sale that day on the kit. But the ridgid was toward the top list because i had good experience with the last cordless set.

rigid nicad 18v combo hammer drill (didn't need a hammer this time). Unfortunately for the lifetime stuff i misplaced my receipt days after i purchased it. But it held up really well (aside from being heavy as ****), i beat the heck out of it..concrete block walls, built dock and roof with it, used for years. Even dropped it in salt water, took it completely apart, soaked in fresh water, lubed and reassembled still ran year later when the batteries finally went. I thought the internals were made well enough.

Aside from battery differences, things like 2 speeds, voltage, led,etc doubt you can go wrong with any of these brands.
 
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