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dcg9381

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How long have you gone without changing the oil in your small engines?

Depends. I have a lot of small engines, probably worst case, 2-3 years between changes. My generators get 50-100 hours of use per year (on average) so I tend to do those annually. I'm not prescribing to ignoring oil changes, I'm just saying that carbs have caused me more trouble.

There seems to be some type of sensor or something that is in newer generator engines that will actually not allow the engine to run if the oil is too dirty, which comes from age and usage.


Obviously this is a cool feature, but it's probably accomplished through electronic controls - adds complication and cost.. I get it on a $5000 generator...

I will say, I just did break in on one of the new Champion 3500 watt generators.. I think I ran it for 8 hours. No filter, lots of very fine metal at that first oil change.
 
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There seems to be some type of sensor or something that is in newer generator engines that will actually not allow the engine to run if the oil is too dirty, which comes from age and usage.


Jim

I've heard about a low oil shutoff, but not a dirty oil shutoff. Not even cars have that feature. Any source for this claim?
 

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Depends. I have a lot of small engines, probably worst case, 2-3 years between changes. My generators get 50-100 hours of use per year (on average) so I tend to do those annually. I'm not prescribing to ignoring oil changes, I'm just saying that carbs have caused me more trouble.




Obviously this is a cool feature, but it's probably accomplished through electronic controls - adds complication and cost.. I get it on a $5000 generator...

I will say, I just did break in on one of the new Champion 3500 watt generators.. I think I ran it for 8 hours. No filter, lots of very fine metal at that first oil change.
Fine metallics are normal on the first oil change with a small engine and no oil filter. Breaking one in I would change at minimum 3x before the first 10hrs. These things do not take alot of oil so even if your useing synthetic it's a whole lot cheaper than a new generator.

Make sure you check your manual for the oil change interval on generators. I have seen as low as 50hrs, cant remember the brand. That's roughly 2 days so having oil on hand can really save your generators life durring a power outage.

Also if you do have a generator that takes an oil filter almost always does it cross over to a filter you can buy for a car at a local auto parts store. Try finding a Kohler or Briggs oil filter a week into a power outage.
 

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10kw is grossly excessive for most houses. It will burn lots of fuel and make lots of noise to be underutilized[/QUOTE

Actually, here it will be used 24/7 when needed, the humidity out here is awful when the storms come so A/C is needed badly. Being able to run the entire house including doing laundry and cooking because it is all electric will be a nice change from having to be outside with the mosquitos.

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Looking for about a 6500-8000W Home Emergency Generator.

what do you need 6500W for? 2000-3500W inverter genny would be a great stealth option, but I dont think you can get one of those with a 240V outlet. They do make 120/240V inverter gennys I think like 5000w+ that would be at the top of my list if you were going to back feed with an lockout on the main, or transfer subpanel. Inverter gennys are much quieter than standard gens, which is a huge benefit.
 

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what do you need 6500W for? 2000-3500W inverter genny would be a great stealth option, but I dont think you can get one of those with a 240V outlet. They do make 120/240V inverter gennys I think like 5000w+ that would be at the top of my list if you were going to back feed with an lockout on the main, or transfer subpanel. Inverter gennys are much quieter than standard gens, which is a huge benefit.
The guy that brought this old post back up is likely a spammer. The generator I referenced is nowhere near $600
 

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How long have you gone without changing the oil in your small engines?

The oil related issues seem to be more prevalent with newer engines, especially the ones for generators.

There seems to be some type of sensor or something that is in newer generator engines that will actually not allow the engine to run if the oil is too dirty, which comes from age and usage.
To be fair, the longest I've used a given generator is probably 800 hours, which was an on-board onan in an RV. I prefer to run less expensive generators (like Champion) when I'm able for RV boondocking and try to save using the Onans.

I do have a 20KW generator that's due for service this year. It runs once a week for 15 minutes - total hours are around 500.

I generally change the oil after an initial 8 hour break in period (or whatever is recommended in that manual). In every case that I can think of, that first oil change contains a fair amount of very small metal, so I think that break in period is probably the most critical thing.

After that, I (generally) follow guidelines which can be as much as 100 hours run time.

I keep track of it by installing inductive hour meters (these wrap around the spark plug wire) and use a label maker on the generator to indicate the date/hours of last oil change.

One thing I don't do as well as I should: I do not change the oil annually if I haven't had run time... I've just got too many motors.

I think all of my generators have oil level switches, I don't know of one that has a switch for oil "dirty" - I'd expect that on something fancy and expensive like an Onan.
 
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Power from non-inverter 3600 RPM generators is pretty "dirty" - I've never tried to fire home HVAC or ductless systems using it...
Generac and many of the other "home standby" generators are just a simple 3600 RPM generator with fancy controls. I installed and serviced Generac and Kohler home standby units for a few years. They are nothing special. Perhaps the power may be a bit "dirty" but we never had any issues running any type of HVAC equipment with them. Other than electronic voltage regulation the output end of the generator is pretty simple.
 

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Generac and many of the other "home standby" generators are just a simple 3600 RPM generator with fancy controls. I installed and serviced Generac and Kohler home standby units for a few years. They are nothing special. Perhaps the power may be a bit "dirty" but we never had any issues running any type of HVAC equipment with them. Other than electronic voltage regulation the output end of the generator is pretty simple.

I sold our generator and bought an inverter/gen specifically because our HVAC system would not fire up. It's a Lennox with their iComfort (digital) controller. The system would not work on the generator (error) but is fine on the inverter. I realized after doing a few searches that I was not alone with this problem. The UPS units I have connected to the PCs, entertainment center etc. all cycled manically on the generator and eventually exhausted themselves, so none of that stuff worked either. I carefully calibrated the generator for voltage/frequency to try and correct all this to no avail.

For house backup in 2022, I would not bother with a generator and go straight to an inverter/gen if you're planning to run electronics. The new unit is much, much quieter too.

I realize this is an old thread but consider that feedback a PSA :)
 

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I sold our generator and bought an inverter/gen specifically because our HVAC system would not fire up. It's a Lennox with their iComfort (digital) controller. The system would not work on the generator (error) but is fine on the inverter. I realized after doing a few searches that I was not alone with this problem.

Well, not everyone one has a Lennox iComfort.
I will not argue that perhaps some systems may not run on a portable, perhaps any portable generator at all, but I would venture to guess it is a small portion of the population in comparison to the number of homes and people with portable generators.

I always hear of people having issues with burned up control boards, (but never anyone personally, always my buddy told me about a friend of his...) and we never had issues with equipment running from a Generac home standby, (Remember we sold, installed and serviced them), but then we didn't have as much inverter and modulating HVAC as there is now. The equipment always ran, and never a complaint of frying some equipment. Plus when I saw that the working end of the lower priced home standby units were no better than what you see in an average portable I pretty much discounted all the rumors.

I have a Ruud fully modulating furnace and it runs just fine on my cheap portable generator. Plus I have a few friends with portables rigged top run the house.
 
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I have a Harbor Freight 9,000 watt Predator portable generator and wired my main panel for a generator interlock. No issues with running anything at my place. Generator, wheel kit, interlock, RV outlet and cabling was just under $1,000 and I did it myself.
 

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Of course different homes/equipment will vary, but with a pile of automation equipment, HVAC with digital controls, and UPS unit's, you don't want a generator. Inverters (in eco mode) use a lot less fuel, and are quieter too. The Predator 3500 inverter/gen looks pretty good for 899, runs at 57db, and has good reviews. No 240V though...

I only lost a few hundred on the swap from generator to inverter so you can always start on the lower cost side (generator) and see if it works.

Just a few things to think about if you're making your first purchase.
 

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This thread did get brought back by a now banned spammer. His deleted post can't be seen.

However, it's a fairly recent thread and still valid information. Generators have changed a bunch in the last few years, new brands, improvements on old brands, availability and pricing.

I mentioned Govdeals earlier in the thread and will add to keep checking HD rental sections for decent used models that fit your needs and price range.
 

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I guess there's something to be said for not having the latest and greatest furnace/hot water heater/A/C/whatever. Everything I have runs great on my dual fuel generators. I agree, the inverter gens are great. But there just seems to be too much more stuff that can go wrong with them. I'll stick with my regular ones for the little time I need one.

Of course I'm already lying because I have a small inverter. But it is my back up...
 
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