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Which implement the most useful for hobby farm and polebarn build?

rerod

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Hello folks..

I had a barn removed for my polebarn build, but I still have the shallow foundation and cracked slab left on the site.

I'm tempted to hire a contractor to finish the barn demo and build my new polebarn.. But a hobby farm needs a implement of some sort.. Right?

What Implement would you suggest to move the foundation out of the way which will used as fill for the new driveway? And a implement to also run a auger for the pole holes of the new build etc?

I also need a better mower for the acre, but I doubt anyone makes something that can do all these things well.

My budget is open for a good used machine. Or new machine that holds value..


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How many acres do you have? If you have one acre, hire the heavy work. If the acre refers to the area you want to keep mowed, a good lawn mower is what you need, plus a
rototiller if you want a garden. On the subject of lawn mowers, I understand the hydrostatic drive use the same hydro transmission which only lasts 150 hours and costs $950 to replace. Lawn mowers sold as lawn tractors don't do any better. I have no personal experience in this area so do your own research.

As for the other work you want to do, you need a tractor with a front end loader and 3 point hitch. Post hole diggers are available to fit 3 point hitch tractors. A good digger has replaceable teeth which are not very expensive to replace. Cheaper diggers have a welded fabricated point and teeth combination which is expensive to replace. Examine them in person and ask prices.

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Compact Utility Tractor with a PTO and 3pt hitch. Kubota or Deere. 50-60" Mower deck.
Best if it comes with a loader.
Post hole diggers aren't expensive. A blade is better for clearing snow than the loader.
 

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I'm tempted to hire a contractor to finish the barn demo

My tool of choice for the slab/foundation would be a mid-to-full size excavator with hydraulic thumb, and a dump truck to move the concrete. A good operator could be in and out of there in a few hours. I have a tractor/fel/backhoe and recently tore out a 4'x75' concrete walkway. Did the job, but wasn't fast or easy on the equipment. A compact tractor, even with a loader and backhoe, is still a tractor and not a piece of heavy construction equipment.


Tractor w/ Loader & Backhoe. I am personally a fan of Kubota. Excellent quality and cheaper than John Deere.

I have a Kubota L2501 with the BH77 backhoe. I really wish I'd put the backhoe money into either a mini-excavator, or a full size backhoe like a 555. The tractor with BH77 is merely "OK" as a backhoe, but limited. Swapping the backhoe on and off is simple and fast...but takes a little longer to get the 3-point hitch pieces back on.

After 3 years of ownership, the "implement" I use most often, on most projects, more than anything else is the forklift forks and frame. Moving parts, materials, tools, pressure washer, generator, etc, etc is easy as can be.
 

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Im not sure I couldve built my pole barn without my ford 3000. From dragging the posts to drilling the holes, it was a huge help. Probably could have set my own truss if I had a front end loader at the time.
 

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My tool of choice for the slab/foundation would be a mid-to-full size excavator with hydraulic thumb, and a dump truck to move the concrete. A good operator could be in and out of there in a few hours. I have a tractor/fel/backhoe and recently tore out a 4'x75' concrete walkway. Did the job, but wasn't fast or easy on the equipment. A compact tractor, even with a loader and backhoe, is still a tractor and not a piece of heavy construction equipment.




I have a Kubota L2501 with the BH77 backhoe. I really wish I'd put the backhoe money into either a mini-excavator, or a full size backhoe like a 555. The tractor with BH77 is merely "OK" as a backhoe, but limited. Swapping the backhoe on and off is simple and fast...but takes a little longer to get the 3-point hitch pieces back on.

After 3 years of ownership, the "implement" I use most often, on most projects, more than anything else is the forklift forks and frame. Moving parts, materials, tools, pressure washer, generator, etc, etc is easy as can be.

The implement I use the most is the loader, by far. The backhoe is #2 (with thumb). It has been invaluable for digging up root balls, lifting trees, digging trenches, and digging holes for landscaping (~50% rock mixed into our hard clay soil). 3rd would be my box blade that I use for grading and as ballast for the loader. 4th would be my back blade that I use for plowing 900' of driveway.
 

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When we bought our raw land, I wanted enough land that I actually needed a tractor. I have an old Ford 3000, and it's earned it's keep, but I didn't pay much for it. I scrape the 450' gravel driveway, pull small trees, plow/disc/seed a small field, mow the field, move trailers around, and dig post holes. I also bought an 8" chipper (which cost as much as the tractor!) and I use it every winter cleaning up our woods. If I'm being honest, we don't really 'need' a tractor, but it's a big part of the hobby, and I look forward to 'seat time'.

We have 8 acres, but about 6 of it is woods. The tractor isn't very good for mowing with a rear bush hog. A belly mower would be better, but not on actual finished lawn. It's too big and awkward, and the ag tires leave tread marks. I have a zero-turn for mowing, which is also overkill, but my mowing time is about 1/4 of what it was with a regular riding mower.

As for the old foundation- just hire someone with an excavator to do it, or rent a machine for a day.
 

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If its just a slab then you can re-move it with a pickup truck or a tractor. In this case I undermined a corner, drilled a hole thru and bolted a piece of steel to it, to which I hooked a chain. The prime mover here is an International 460 tractor, originally in the 45-50hp range. Once hanging out on the grass where the "perfect undersupport" is gone it was less than 5 minutes to break it up with a sledge hammer.

I put it in a truck and hauled it away. Making solid concrete into gravel is a job they give to prison work gangs.....its a lot of slow work.....

To your question about the foundations, I would rent a tow-behind air compressor and a 90 lb jackhammer and make short work of the rest of the foundation in 1 day. Yes this requires a person to do some work. Getting an excavator to show up is guessing at $500 minimum charge just to truck the machine there and back home, load and unload it, and then they go from there on pricing your job. Get your own quotes to find out for sure.

Zero turn is the fastest way to cut grass but I have a soft spot for old tractors. Grass mowing is shared between a Super A and Farmall Cub with Woods 59" mowers.

I've heard the complaints about why don't you buy "just one new tractor that can do it all" .... and thus consolidate and my answer is that I can sell my $5k in old tractors and invest $15-20k into a new one. Granted the old ones need more repairs but that's why the shop exists ;)

To drill post holes I would either rent or hire a person with a skid steer equipped with a drilling attachment.

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Thanks everyone.

Its only one acre, but in order to own a machine useful/big enough to move the foundation, do some light earth leveling etc etc.. I think i would need something bigger than a one acre hobby farm really needs long term..

But I think I'm on board with the tractor platform, as I can mount and run different attachments.

Kubota or Deere huh?

https://cedarrapids.craigslist.org/grd/d/marion-kubota-l3560-hstc-new-tires/7142492857.html
https://cedarrapids.craigslist.org/grd/d/manchester-john-deere-3020-gas-with-48/7130552926.html
https://quadcities.craigslist.org/grd/d/kewanee-yarger-machinery-sales-kubota/7143677071.html
https://ottumwa.craigslist.org/grd/d/marshalltown-2019-kubota-bx2380-with/7127555340.html
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That 3020 will run circles around them all when it comes to heavy work. Which is kind of why you need a tractor....BUT for a 1 acre property it would be not the right decision imo.

One of my mentors infused this into me: figure out what size HP tractor you need to do your job and then Double It. A good engineering mind will figure out how to use the extra capacity in the future. :D
 

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A small tractor is kind of a 'jack of all trades'. It's very handy to have. I have a 32hp compact. But it really doesn't excel at anything.

That's why I ended up buying a zero turn, an mini X, a compact trac loader .........
 
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A small tractor is kind of a 'jack of all trades'. It's very handy to have. I have a 32hp compact. But it really doesn't excel at anything.

That's why I ended up buying a zero turn, an mini X, a compact trac loader .........

I agree 100%. Just like one motorcycle cant cut it everywhere. You need a little trail bike, and big street bike.
 

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I bought a very old farm house on two acres. ( I bought another ½ acre later)
I also bought a John Deere 1025R tractor with loader and backhoe. I have used the 1025 all the backfill work for the addition, dug out several tree stumps, tilled the new garden, graded for the new loan, planted multiple fruit trees, trenched for irrigation lines. Pallet forks for the loader are often used to unload/move equipment or supplies, or to move logs for firewood.
Currently the 1025 mows about 1½ acres.

It takes about 5-7 mins to remove or install the backhoe or loader. It takes less than 5 mins to remove or install the drive over mowing deck.
This means I can easily configure the tractor for whatever I need which means I can use it for multiple projects without saying: "I don't want to bother putting the backhoe on right now"

Could we have rented equipment to do all of this? Sure but I would have been "on the clock" to get things done. Owning the tractor may not make financial sense but it makes it so I can do whatever needs to be done when and at the pace I choose. My body has been on this earth more than 60 years and the 1025 allows me to still do the stuff we want to do.
 

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Personally I would buy a good used skid steer and rent the attachments as you need them. When you are done with the build sell it for what you paid for it.
 

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It's a difficult decision to make. I've rented an excavator, forklift and a scissor lift to date. I can pick up on a Friday and return Monday morning for about $240 per rental. I have a lot of experience hauling heavy equipment but don't really like doing it. Sure its very nice to have equipment on site and always available. For me a skid loader would be my first pick.
 
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A small tractor is kind of a 'jack of all trades'. It's very handy to have. I have a 32hp compact. But it really doesn't excel at anything.

That's why I ended up buying a zero turn, an mini X, a compact trac loader .........

Then you wind up needing a 3rd garage to store all this stuff.
 

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I have a Kubota BX23 (backhoe & FEL) and a BX2660 (Box Blade, FEL, tiller, 60 mower deck. I built a set of forks for either tractor out of 3" channel. I also welded hooks on the FEL and BH. They greatly improved the utility and safety of the tractors. I have 1.3 acres and couldn't have this place without the tractors. I can't do the ground work any longer. I purchased Kubota because they are made BY Kubota (I believe that John Deere's CUT are made by Yanmar) and not having owned tractors before I wanted a good dealer to bail me out, which they have done. The BX series can do a LOT for you but will not be the right unit for tearing out the slab. Hire that out or rent a bigger machine. I bought my 2660 with Kubota Finance at 0%. I believe that is still running. They are not cheap, but mine is 12 yrs old and has really only needed general maintenance.
 

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I’m a Kubota owner for...40 years. Two years ago I found a 25 year old Kubota with only 470 hrs on it. 37 hp, 4x4 backhoe, FEL, 5’ snow blower...great machine! They are out there.
 

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I have 2 acres and bought a Kubota BX23S. It's got a loader, backhoe, 3 point hitch, rear PTO for implements, mid- PTO for mower deck, and front PTO for more implements. I wouldn't exchange it for anything.

Why the 23S instead of the standard tractor in that series, the BX2380? I needed the backhoe. My lot was mostly wooded and I planned to clear a lot of it by cutting down trees, and using the backhoe to dig out the stumps. Sure I could rent a tractor or excavator for the stumps, but at local rates, I only need to use the tractor 2.5 days/month to make the payment cheaper than renting - PLUS it's on my schedule, not "you can't pick up until 8 and it must be back by 5 or you get charged another day". Why not a stump grinder? Same reasons as above...plus I don't want to grind them. I want them gone.

Implements are another matter; we plan to put a large garden in so I wanted a tiller, larger than a walk-behind. The 3 point hitch and PTO make that a snap. I've got a dirt/gravel driveway, the loader and box blade make upkeep easy. I left several large pines that deposit a metric sh*t ton of needles, easily handled by the landscape rake. I'm always carrying things around, and the industry-standard skid-steer quick disconnect bucket lets me have the bucket and pallet forks exchanged in 30 seconds (and that's counting drive time to maneuver the tractor from one to the other). When I'm ready to mow I can have the loader AND backhoe off in under a minute, the 60" mower deck on in 5, and the cut quality is great.

Why the BX series, instead of the slightly larger B series? When I am completely done clearing, the tractor's main job will be working as a lawn mower and the BX & associated mowing deck carried better consumer ratings than the B series. Have I wished for a larger tractor? Occasionally. There's always a job where a bigger tractor will make it easier. That larger tractor wouldn't have fit through walk through gates into yards though, and is heavier so my selection of trailers goes down, as does risk of driving over any septic drain fields. Oh, and the B series was about $5k more!

The BX23S has handled everything I've thrown at it. I've taken down trees, dug out stumps, moved logs, de-rooted and tilled an acre-ish of land for grass seed (that I now cut), etc. The trees I've taken down include pine, oak, ash and mimosa's from 10'-40'+ tall (recently found a method that I've used to simply push over the bigger trees, makes getting the root ball out even easier). I've got a tooth bar on the bucket that lets me rip out brush and weeds almost effortlessly. Overall the thing has been an invaluable investment and literally saved me multiple months of work in the year and a half or so I've had it, and I've put a little over 260 hours on it.

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If a budget allows, a compact tractor ( 30-40hp ) and a skid loader.

I spent 10 years on a hobby farm as a gear head. I put 400 hours on the skid loader annually, I had 3 tractors and did not keep track of my time on those.

In a nut shell, tractors make for terrible loaders, and loaders make for terrible tractors, so its nice to have both. Id buy both used.

Now I find myself back on twice as much acreage with just one tractor and I spend a good part of my day cussing a storm because I no longer have the skid loader ( yes Im shopping right now ).
 

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Usually most tractor places like Kubota will have sales going on as package deals with 3 implements or more. But keep in mind you will also need a trailer,either 1 acre or 100acres country life is better than living by big city you lucky dog:)
 

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A small tractor is kind of a 'jack of all trades'. It's very handy to have. I have a 32hp compact. But it really doesn't excel at anything.

That's why I ended up buying a zero turn, an mini X, a compact trac loader .........

I did pretty much the same thing. Had a skid steer for ten years. Traded it in on a 40 hp compact tractor with a bucket, front snowblower, and box blade.

The tractor is ok for what it is, but is best for blowing snow. I ended up buying a mini excavator after considering a backhoe attachment for the tractor, and then also picked up a CTL (tracked skid steer).

Construction equipment is designed for dirt work and fork work. The only drawback is cost, both of the unit and the attachments. The upside is that I got what I paid for my skid steer on trade after using it for ten years, less inflation.
 

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Look into harvest returns. The manufactures flood certain areas with new equipment during the particular crop harvest time. After a few months or so they offer deep discounts, sales incentives and financing.

I paid basically half price for my tractor with only 135 hours on it...which is nothing basically. Got my front loader, back hoe and box blade with either no interest or about 30% off. Made my deal and have been very happy with mine.

I am in volcano country so I have lots of rocks and hard soils. I have trenched 1000s of feet of line...hard digging with a back hoe at times...

This rock was from one trench and the pad area I dug...
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A post hole digger and forklift attachment I'd say are a necessity. Backhoe's are always useful and likely going to be needed as a ballast while you work.
 

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Telehandler. Out of every piece of machinery I can think of that is the one that I would own if I could only own one. Why? 90% of the things I need a piece of machinery for are picking up heavy stuff, the other 10% are moving material and cutting grass. For my 2 acres a $300 used riding lawnmower is good for 5+ years and I can put a bucket on a telehandler. For the very rare things I might do like post holes or digging I'll rent a piece of equipment for a weekend.
 

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Nothing wrong with buying a used CUT, especially if you are paying cash for a better deal. However, if you are going to borrow the money, take a look at new Deere or Kubota. I know Deere offers 0% and I'm sure Kubota does the same or very similar.
 

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Telehandler. Out of every piece of machinery I can think of that is the one that I would own if I could only own one. Why? 90% of the things I need a piece of machinery for are picking up heavy stuff, the other 10% are moving material and cutting grass. For my 2 acres a $300 used riding lawnmower is good for 5+ years and I can put a bucket on a telehandler. For the very rare things I might do like post holes or digging I'll rent a piece of equipment for a weekend.

I have to agree. Buying my JCB 520 mini Telehandler was the best decision I ever made. I had 3 different skid steers before this and if you work alone like I do you are always crawling out over or under a load. The Telehandler is side entry...so much nicer! Having been inside a skidsteer on fire the egress in an emergency is also much better faster with the telehandler.
 

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CUT's are handier than the pocket on a shirt. if you get one, you won't want to do anything without it. A bobcat is a lot faster, but of course you wouldn't mow with it.
 

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Tractor w/ Loader & Backhoe. I am personally a fan of Kubota. Excellent quality and cheaper than John Deere.

From experience, I heartily agree. When we built here in AZ, in 2002, I bought a Kubota with FEL and 3 point hitch (B7800). Now, 18 years later, if I had to do it over again I would definitely get a Kubota TLB. AZ soil is hard, and we are in the lee of some mountains where the glacier left behind tons of rocks. What you see on the surface that appears to be a small rock could turn out to be huge boulder once you start to uncover it. At least here in AZ, a TLB would have proven to be much more useful. You can rig the FEL to lift and carry all sort of things, not just bucket loads of sand/gravel. A TLB has a frame mounted hoe, much superior to a hoe you can add on where the 3 point is.

Among other things, with the hoe you can dig for footers, trench for conduit, etc., carry things, and most recently we had to call on a neighbor with a TLB to dig a grave for one of our dogs who passed. The FEL does not dig, it carries. It only lowers to a few inches below ground level.
 
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We have 4 acres in a very rural area (way out in the sticks), I have an old Bobcat skid steer (with a Kubota diesel engine) for driveway maintenance, moving the occasion fallen tree until I can cut it up,etc. Don't use it often, but it's really nice to have when needed. I use a Kawasaki 700 Prairie ATV for snow removal, spraying weeds, dragging logs, etc. I need a side by side the bring more wood from back in the woods, nothing is perfect.
 

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Check what you can get rental attachments for. In our area, that is skid steer only. I have an older asv track loader and when it dies, I'll buy another right away. Zero turn for mowing

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My coworker bought this Electric Ryobi Rider for under $2,300
They also make a unit with a slightly larger battery for $2,700.
He absolutely loves it. Mows just over an acre. Can do his entire lawn twice without needing to charge. The only noise is the blades spinning. Very comfortable. Feels more like a go-kart rather than a mower. Fun to drive. Its also emission free!
 
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