which lic do I need to buy/sell Freon?

[zmaxmotorsports]

Im an engineer. I see the quality of design and construction and not a lot of the back end. Even good brands can have issues like you said nut I dont agree they are all just as good.


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I have more years than Id like to remember working as a licensed master plumber/and electrical contractor.
Ive worked on and installed most every brand in the industry,In my younger days I worked for one of the biggest Trane wreck and Lennox dealers in the state .
I made my living fixing engineers mistakes,now Im retired and can work work on and install any brand of equipment I want.Trane wreck/lennox and carrier are no where to be found on my list of favorites.

 

[zmaxmotorsports]

I've followed HVAC brand quite a bit over last decade and Goodman doesn't get a good reputation like other brands such as Carrier or Trane, but their unit last a long time. I believe a good unit typically results from good installation.

My other home, i have good luck with Goodman R22 split unit. My new home has American Standard (same as Trane) with all the bell-and-whistle.

Most of it comes down to the size of the advertising budget.

 

[86turbodsl]

I have more years than Id like to remember working as a licensed master plumber/and electrical contractor.
Ive worked on and installed most every brand in the industry,In my younger days I worked for one of the biggest Trane wreck and Lennox dealers in the state .
I made my living fixing engineers mistakes,now Im retired and can work work on and install any brand of equipment I want.Trane wreck/lennox and carrier are no where to be found on my list of favorites.

I've no desire to start a flame war with you. You are entitled to your opinion. I can tell from your comment that you don't like engineers. That's a common sentiment from many whose jobs depend on engineers. There's a place for both. Neither one would have work without the other. And there are bad eggs in any profession. I've met techs that can't figure out what they are doing either.

As far as equipment quality, you'd be naive if you didn't see that every US manufacturer is scrambling to keep profit margins up in a global marketplace. And that usually means offshoring production and even design/engineering in some cases. And it takes quality and flushes it a lot of the time. Trane and Lennox may have larger budgets for advertising. It probably makes for more sales. More sales makes margins easier to live on. Few brands can boast the USA quality of yesteryear. I still say though that Goodman is bottom of the barrel. Can a tech compensate for some flaws? Sure sometimes. Will the Goodman outlast the Trane? Maybe. Probably not though. My opinion, and it's worth what you paid for it.

Peace out.

 

[CWO4GUNNER]

It might be good to know what type of engineer you are, there are allot you know. Example: My daughter is a computer engineer and makes way more then civil engineer, who makes more then a naval engineer, who makes more then a train engineer, who makes more then a good and plenty candy engineer. But none of them can tell you much about HVAC. You need a certificate for that...

 

[86turbodsl]

Mechanical engineer.

 

[pop pop]

Lot of blue collar pride showing. Them engineers don't know nothing!

retired registered engineer.

 

[zmaxmotorsports]

So in other words you've never actually worked on any of the equipment that you recommend on here then.
Ive got plenty of equipment that I installed 20 plus years ago that still works fine,And a lot of them are what you would consider lower end brands I guess.
The biggest secret to longevity of any equipment no matter what the brand ,besides how its installed is how its cared for.
I keep it really simple for my customers,I tell them everytime you mow your grass take a hose and rinse out the condensing unit.And use a decent furnace filter and check it every month,if it needs changed change it.
The world is full of installers and service guys who don't have enough common sense to poor piss out of a boot as the old saying goes,I know Ive fired enough of them over years!
At the same time Ive dealt with enough engineers and architects who would swear up and down that a piece of 4" I.D pipe would fit inside a 2x4 wall because their plans said it would.
I had a heavy industrial mechanical engineer who did his own butchered up framing on his basement who I did a basement bath and bar rough in and electrical rough in.
Once the plumbing and electrical got inspected by the city he was all excited to start hanging sheetrock.I asked him who was doing his duct work before he hung his rock?
He asked me who normally does that?
I think he was from india or Pakistan.

 

[KinzeMech]

It might be good to know what type of engineer you are, there are allot you know. Example: My daughter is a computer engineer and makes way more then civil engineer, who makes more then a naval engineer, who makes more then a train engineer, who makes more then a good and plenty candy engineer. But none of them can tell you much about HVAC. You need a certificate for that...

When I was a mechanical engineering intern at the railroad a decade and a half ago, I was told the locomotive engineers made 6 figures. I thought that was pretty good considering there's not any actual "engineering" in that job any more, and you didn't need a degree to do it. (You do, however, need to know someone on the inside to get that union job).

 

[CWO4GUNNER]

When I was a mechanical engineering intern at the railroad a decade and a half ago, I was told the locomotive engineers made 6 figures. I thought that was pretty good considering there's not any actual "engineering" in that job any more, and you didn't need a degree to do it. (You do, however, need to know someone on the inside to get that union job).

Yeah.. Its all about demand these days. 10 yeas ago I spent a small fortune sending my daughter to school to be a recording engineer (her wish), just when the music industry was in a downturn, no love. Then she applied her childhood self taught hacker skills at a test interview for a company looking for web sight developers. Apparently all those years spent in her room on the PC as nerd while other kids were watching TV paid off. Fast forward she still hasn't any formal degree but being self taught is able to pick and chose who she wants to work for and contract her own pay and benefits. Way more then I ever made for a beautiful slender single woman of 30 now living in London, still looking for Mr right.

Yup, its all about demand when it comes to too skill sets. Me, I was a very good generalist, which got me my commission. But I was never a specialist, why I'm re-cracking the books for this upcoming mini-split install...But I know it will be more fun then a challenge for me.

 

[Trey T]

Based on ABET accredidation, every engineering student in America study "HVAC related stuff" whether that student knows it or not, and that class was called "thermodynamic" and "fluid mechanics". So they do know the fundamental of heat exchanging and ventilation. They can't tell you much bc you're not asking the right question. If you ask something w/in HVAC technicians' job description, of course they can't answer it. Engineers and technicians have different tasks and it takes both parties to make a product for users as intended.

What most blue collar workers do not understand is that engineers and technicians must work together to create a viable product, not just the engineer. If it was so easy, let's see all the blue collar workers design, manufacture, prepare install manual, and installer them. Again, it's a big team work, not an individual task.

A lot of time, I hear that the "engineer *****", "they don't know what they're doing". Well, that can be true but we never praise about the great work that the engineers do a lot of times; rather than giving a solution, we start bitching about something we don't understand completely - that's called ignorance.

It might be good to know what type of engineer you are, there are allot you know. Example: My daughter is a computer engineer and makes way more then civil engineer, who makes more then a naval engineer, who makes more then a train engineer, who makes more then a good and plenty candy engineer. But none of them can tell you much about HVAC. You need a certificate for that...

 

[CWO4GUNNER]

Based on ABET accredidation, every engineering student in America study "HVAC related stuff" whether that student knows it or not, and that class was called "thermodynamic" and "fluid mechanics". So they do know the fundamental of heat exchanging and ventilation. They can't tell you much bc you're not asking the right question. If you ask something w/in HVAC technicians' job description, of course they can't answer it. Engineers and technicians have different tasks and it takes both parties to make a product for users as intended.

What most blue collar workers do not understand is that engineers and technicians must work together to create a viable product, not just the engineer. If it was so easy, let's see all the blue collar workers design, manufacture, prepare install manual, and installer them. Again, it's a big team work, not an individual task.

A lot of time, I hear that the "engineer *****", "they don't know what they're doing". Well, that can be true but we never praise about the great work that the engineers do a lot of times; rather than giving a solution, we start bitching about something we don't understand completely - that's called ignorance.

Point the crankshaft somewhere else. Believe me that was an attempt at levity to try and distract the tension in the room to laughter, nothing more. Remember I used my daughter in that example and even she agrees that while she is good at what she does without a degree and considered an engineer in her field, she lacks some of the algorithm skills that the Harvard master degree graduate engineers seen to just come up with at the top of their heads.

 

[86turbodsl]

So in other words you've never actually worked on any of the equipment that you recommend on here then.

{deletia}

You're making an assumption. And you're wrong. I do work on units sometimes. Not as many as you surely. I've had enough of blue collar for a while. Enjoy your thread.

And TREY, well said, very inclusive and teamwork is what makes the world go round. Good job. You get the star for today.

 

[zmaxmotorsports]

Based on ABET accredidation, every engineering student in America study "HVAC related stuff" whether that student knows it or not, and that class was called "thermodynamic" and "fluid mechanics". So they do know the fundamental of heat exchanging and ventilation. They can't tell you much bc you're not asking the right question. If you ask something w/in HVAC technicians' job description, of course they can't answer it. Engineers and technicians have different tasks and it takes both parties to make a product for users as intended.

What most blue collar workers do not understand is that engineers and technicians must work together to create a viable product, not just the engineer. If it was so easy, let's see all the blue collar workers design, manufacture, prepare install manual, and installer them. Again, it's a big team work, not an individual task.

A lot of time, I hear that the "engineer *****", "they don't know what they're doing". Well, that can be true but we never praise about the great work that the engineers do a lot of times; rather than giving a solution, we start bitching about something we don't understand completely - that's called ignorance.

I have no problem with giving credit when a job is done right,Its when a multi million dollar project is held up by something that should of been resolved in the planning stages that I tend to lose it.
When you have separate engineered drawings for the plumbers and the steam fitters and the drawings show each of their systems in the same spot in the wall kind of ***** when the plumbers need to core drill through the floor above ,and the steamfitters have their stuff running horizontally in the space directly below.
Mean while Ive got project managers and superintendents asking me wtf are we going to do now.
Nope I don't miss doing schools and hospitals!

 

[zmaxmotorsports]

You're making an assumption. And you're wrong. I do work on units sometimes. Not as many as you surely. I've had enough of blue collar for a while. Enjoy your thread.

And TREY, well said, very inclusive and teamwork is what makes the world go round. Good job. You get the star for today.

That's not what you said.Ive been in the trenches,and Ive also run the show for many years.
The only collar I ever wear is on my t shirts!

 

[Mike007]

I have no problem with giving credit when a job is done right,Its when a multi million dollar project is held up by something that should of been resolved in the planning stages that I tend to lose it.
When you have separate engineered drawings for the plumbers and the steam fitters and the drawings show each of their systems in the same spot in the wall kind of ***** when the plumbers need to core drill through the floor above ,and the steamfitters have their stuff running horizontally in the space directly below.
Mean while Ive got project managers and superintendents asking me wtf are we going to do now.
Nope I don't miss doing schools and hospitals!

Been there done that many, many times. In fact, just about every commercial job Ive ever been on.

 

[CWO4GUNNER]

"And TREY, well said, very inclusive and teamwork is what makes the world go round. Good job. You get the star for today."


Wow they get a star for making the world go round. I'm not buying it, a crankshaft maybe...Show us the star...

 

[ratman2]

Yeah.. Its all about demand these days. 10 yeas ago I spent a small fortune sending my daughter to school to be a recording engineer (her wish), just when the music industry was in a downturn, no love. Then she applied her childhood self taught hacker skills at a test interview for a company looking for web sight developers. Apparently all those years spent in her room on the PC as nerd while other kids were watching TV paid off. Fast forward she still hasn't any formal degree but being self taught is able to pick and chose who she wants to work for and contract her own pay and benefits. Way more then I ever made for a beautiful slender single woman of 30 now living in London, still looking for Mr right.

Yup, its all about demand when it comes to too skill sets. Me, I was a very good generalist, which got me my commission. But I was never a specialist, why I'm re-cracking the books for this upcoming mini-split install...But I know it will be more fun then a challenge for me.

Your daughter is what we call a White Hat. I've been looking for a decent White Hat girl for over 15 years. They are VERY hard to find.

 

[CWO4GUNNER]

Your daughter is what we call a White Hat. I've been looking for a decent White Hat girl for over 15 years. They are VERY hard to find.

She is so pretty, athletic and still looks 18 although she just turned 30. Started contracting at age 18 in the Pacific NW, then finally took a desk job in Santa Monica based Ebay company. She got sick of the routine and felt her skills were being wasted on an old system and she needed to expand. Even though they begged her to stay and offered big bonuses, she partnered up with a fledgling start-up company out of NY (just her and 2 lawyers) that needed special algorithms build a program that manages investor assets. After successfully standing that company her employer allowed her to modify her contract to travel overseas while still working and taking on other contracts as she travels. She just left Iceland and is now in London, headed for Spain, then Australia, and finally Taiwan to visit relatives as she is 1/2 Chinese by my deceased wife. Sadly I probubly wont see her again for at least a year when she comes back home here.

 

[ratman2]

She is so pretty, athletic and still looks 18 although she just turned 30. Started contracting at age 18 in the Pacific NW, then finally took a desk job in Santa Monica based Ebay company. She got sick of the routine and felt her skills were being wasted on an old system and she needed to expand. Even though they begged her to stay and offered big bonuses, she partnered up with a fledgling start-up company out of NY (just her and 2 lawyers) that needed special algorithms build a program that manages investor assets. After successfully standing that company her employer allowed her to modify her contract to travel overseas while still working and taking on other contracts as she travels. She just left Iceland and is now in London, headed for Spain, then Australia, and finally Taiwan to visit relatives as she is 1/2 Chinese by my deceased wife. Sadly I probubly wont see her again for at least a year when she comes back home here.

Yup...She's a White Hat I have found something that she would be very interested in.