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Which Parts washer Solvent

GMJim

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I'm considering buying a parts washer for my shop. I need some opinions for solvents. Water base or petroleum base solvent. I know about the safety aspects of the petroleum solvents VS the water base but will the water based dissolve the greasy parts? Comments please.
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Depending on your budget, I really like the CRC SmartWasher with OzzyJuice and Mats. Had great results with most anything we washed in it. Has some negatives and positives using them but if I had room in my garage right now I'd have one.

http://chemfree.com/portfolio-items/smartwasher/

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Thanks for the link and info. I would first like to get an opinion on the pros and cons of water based solvent. Environmentally friendly but does it clean parts? If I decide to go that route I'll then decide on a parts washer. This is more of a hobby shop, not a commercial business so not looking for an expensive machine.
Jim
 

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I inherited a Saf-T-Kleen unit. Very nice. It will eventually need to be refreshed so I'll be watching this thread. I really like the Saf-T-Kleen solution that's in it but I'm not paying their prices.
 

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I added heat to my parts washer with an element and temp controller I built. Water and stuff like Simple Green work great when heated. Disposal is easy, pump life is good, and it's safe.
 

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Just my .02, but I tried water based solvent mainly for the ease of disposal.
It rusted the inside of my parts washer terribly.
Other brands may have better rust prevention, but I am hesitant to go back to water based solvent.
 

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Well... they aren't cheap but they do clean. I believe they start at ~$1500.

He's some of my pros/cons.

Pros: Environmentally friendlier cleaner, multiple types of cleaners available, never have to "change out" fluid (just top off), has Ozzy bugs that eat the hydrocarbons (kind of self cleaning), non-flamable, the Ozzy mats catch most of the big stuff (just peel off a top layer to clean), not harsh on your skin, can clean plastics/composites, you work area wont have a permanent solvent smell (IIRC they also have a Green Apple Odor Nuetralizer), and it works.

Cons: Heater is supposed to stay plugged in to keep the bugs warm and happy (power bill?), the tanks and tops are plastic so heavy parts may be an issue (cleaned up plenty of diesel engine heads and hydraulic cylinders on one no problem, but could see it deforming the plastic some, ended up cutting a thick piece of plastic to help distribute weight and keep sharp edges from cutting), bugs can die if you use any chems that could kill them (rincing a lawn or garden sprayer would be a bad idea, so is antibacterial soap getting in), can cause corrosion (never had that issue but was warned to immediately dry and lube ferrous parts after cleaning versus air dry).

Our use was in a relativley busy USAF shops working everything from LE patrol sedans to contruction equipment to 66K pound aircraft loaders and everything in between. The pros for us won out over the cons (not all shops use them). For us, it cleaned everything we put in it at least as well as PD-680 (later MIL-PRF-680B, same VOCs but no HAFs...strong solvent but can be hard to properly dispose of). The solvents cut through oils a bit faster, but not by much.

Hope this helps some, if not at least stirs some additional research. Aqueous cleaners still seem to get a bad rep and I guess if you use it and let your parts rust that rep is true, but it was never an issue for shops I used one in.

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Just my .02, but I tried water based solvent mainly for the ease of disposal.
It rusted the inside of my parts washer terribly.
Other brands may have better rust prevention, but I am hesitant to go back to water based solvent.

Yup...made that mistake. Pretty much any of the aqueous stuff needs to be in plastic tanks or this will happen.

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A less expensive alternative to SafeTKleen is Crystal Clear, they will deliver to your home or shop.....I just changed mine, 25 gal delivered and the old stuff hauled off for $167. They recycle the fluid too, so it's not just going into the ground or something. Mine lasted about 3 years and I did a lot of cleaning in that time of really dirty stuff.

SafeTKleen wanted $400+ for the same amount of solvent.

It cleans every bit as well as SK, and only smells if I leave the lid to the parts washer open.

I tried the water based stuff and I didn't find it did any better than 409, so not so good, especially on really crudded up stuff.
 

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At work we used a couple types of the environmentally friendly water based ones, we ended up with the one that Boeing used in their shops. We preferred the old solvent based cleaner, tools didn't rust as quickly. I would wear gloves, but never did enough cleaning that I had to resort to a respirator with the solvent based ones.

At home I use the solvent on sale.
 
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Depending on your budget, I really like the CRC SmartWasher with OzzyJuice and Mats. Had great results with most anything we washed in it. Has some negatives and positives using them but if I had room in my garage right now I'd have one.

http://chemfree.com/portfolio-items/smartwasher/

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I have one of these with the Ozzy juice. It’s not bad and cleans up most dirt and grime you would find on any modern day car. It works even better if I let the heater warm it up for a while.
I’m loosing my hook for ozzy juice so I’m probably switching to Simple Green and water.
 

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I've had this Safety-kleen bench top unit for 20 years now and it does everything I need.

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I use kerosene in my parts washer at home. Works very well on greasy parts. At work we have a pretty new water based heat parts washer. It is pretty much useless. Besides not working well for cleaning, the filters plug up with very little use, even after fluid change.
 

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I tried aqueous Aquatene for awhile using a Graymills plastic parts washer. It took a couple of hours to heat the solvent up to working temp which was a downer when I want to work right now. It did work well and the filter was something akin to a spool of yarn like a whole house filter that's just geared for debris/solids removal.

So now I'm using a Zep steel tank but filled with the Tractor Supply Crown PSC1000 solvent. Ready to go at any minute. I added an oil filter in place of the missing OEM filter to it to try to prolong the solvent life and I also try not to abuse it with nasty parts, finding another way to start the process.
 

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I find that kerosene works the best on the motorcycle parts I clean. I've experimented with water based cleaners and they work okay but for cutting through old dried chain lube (the worst) or old grease mixed with decades of dirt and dried to a cement like substance, kerosene works the best.
 
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Always used Varsol in the parts cleaners. Not overly expensive and it works. Always hate to try new expensive things like heated water based tanks and it doesnt work quite as good as the old stuff
 

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Can I just add to the solvent that's in my Saf-T-Kleen or is it necessary to remove it? I pump through a filter.
 
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Ha just looking online a 5 gal can of Kerosene at ACE is more money than 5 gal can of Crown PSC at TSC

Be curious what my local fuel dealer has bulk tank price on K1
 

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I just got to wonder of the long term health effects of using varsol, kerosene, benzine or other home brews people are suggesting. The proper chemicals are more expensive but at least they have been designed for the purpose intended including being safe when used as directed.
 

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Crown PSC 1000 works pretty good. I clean mostly old tractor parts that have 40+ years of baked on dirt caked cooked on grease. The crown seems to clean oily parts well and leaves no film, but it does not seem to clean dirt caked grease/oil very well. But in all fairness the only thing always does clean dirt caked grease and oil well is a wire brush.
 

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Ha just looking online a 5 gal can of Kerosene at ACE is more money than 5 gal can of Crown PSC at TSC

Be curious what my local fuel dealer has bulk tank price on K1

can you not go to a fuel station and pump and much kerosene as you want into a can where you are? thats what i do, its crazy cheap. 500 litres for 180 euros
 

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Low odor mineral spirits works great and has reasonable flash point, 108 degrees.
 

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Ha just looking online a 5 gal can of Kerosene at ACE is more money than 5 gal can of Crown PSC at TSC

Be curious what my local fuel dealer has bulk tank price on K1

Local station has kerosene in the fuel pump. I want to say a 5 gallon can filled is under $30. One of the reasons I like my little Gray Mill part washer, free standing unit that only takes 5 gallons to fill.
 

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Mine takes 2 pails of solvent. A poor design. It's one of those Chinese ones, you need a lot of solvent to cover the pump.
 

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I just know 2 local places with Kero that are any reasonable distance from where I live...like I said the local fuel oil dealer has it all in bulk as is probably the cheapest and is where we get farm's fuel storage tank filled from (the same place also does my home fuel so I also fill my tractor tank at the same time when they come)

Then there is one small Valero station has both Kero, and off road Diesel along with the road taxable stuff about 20mi off but go by there often and great place to stop.


I have been using the Crown PSC for a while for my parts washer, I think it works good. and have 10 gal in reserve besides what's in the tank but TSC is closer than either fuel dealer too :lol:
 

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can you not go to a fuel station and pump and much kerosene as you want into a can where you are? thats what i do, its crazy cheap. 500 litres for 180 euros

I dont recall kerosene ever being sold in service stations. 80's onward. Was wondering what people needed kerosene for. Kerosene is probably used like stove oil. Mainly furnaces in mobile homes sorta like no. 1 diesel. Furnace oil is closer to no. 2 diesel. I think one bulk oil dealer in all of the Vancouver area will dispense kerosene . Tons of companys will deliver the heating fuels slightly different products than kerosene

I just got to wonder of the long term health effects of using varsol, kerosene, benzine or other home brews people are suggesting. The proper chemicals are more expensive but at least they have been designed for the purpose intended including being safe when used as directed.

Varsol is not a home brew. Its more like a industry standard. Something you get at a Acklands-Grainger or bulk oil place. On the can it states cleaning solvent and the class according to the material safety sheet is a "stoddard solvent". Another variation states " for industrial use only"

I agree with you that are newer products that are safer on the skin and less harmful to the environment when disposed.
 

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At work we use to get Petrosol and kerosene in 45 gallon drums. You can guess where my first filling came from . My son was building 4x4s then. When I went to use the parts washer last year, it was filled with mud, no solvent, and the pump didn't work. Some of the costs of raising sons, still cheaper than weddings. The mill shut down almost exactly 6 years ago. I'm starting to run out of stuff.
 

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Is it safe to run the parts washer pump with kerosene? If not the actual pump, is the motor or the power switch a possible ignition source?
 

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I'm in TN and multiple gas stations in my small town have kerosene pumps. Operating all year. It's not cheap at $3-4 a gallon, but cheaper than mineral spirits, etc
 

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I too have good luck with PSC1000 front Tractor Supply. Fumes are not bad at all, but not being super volatile it does take a bit of time to dry off. It doesn’t seem to leave much residue, and I have painted over surfaces cleaned with it before without a final wipe down with acetone, and it came out fine. Much better than any water based degreased I have used, but not as nasty as some of the commercial products. Good for home use.
 
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