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Which T8 Bulbs

mayday0017

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So I sent the wife to the store to grab some T8 bulbs and though glancing at online reviews real quick would be good enough. Turns out this was not a good thought process...

So my question is, what is the brightest T8 bulb I can get at a local store. I don't want to order bulbs even if there are better options to be had. Also I notice some T8 bulbs are fat and some are thin, is there any difference between the two?
 
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T8's are the same size, not fat and thin. Are you sure you're not looking at T8 vs T5 or T8 vs T12?

Edit: If we're talking F32T8 lamps, I believe the highest lumen you'll find at the store will be 2700-2800 lumens.
 
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The regular F32T8 bulbs don't vary that much in lumens, just make sure they are regular 32W bulbs, not the "ES - Energy Saver" which are lower wattage but you would have to check your ballast for compatibility.

More important would be to get the right temp color that you want.
 

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T5 bulbs are 5/8 inch in diameter. (these are the new, very skinny bulbs)
T8 bulbs are 8/8 or 1 inch in diameter. (bulbs in common use for the past several years)
T12 bulbs are 12/8 or 1½ inch in diameter (these are the old style "fat" bulbs)

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The higher the temperature the whiter the color. Usually a standard "warm" color is around 3000, 5000 is your bright white.
 

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I suggest you buy a few tubes of each color temp and see what you like. I also like around 4100. Some like 6500 but I find it to be too blue. Some also like the 3000 but it's almost orange. It also depends on what kind of work you are doing, I like the warmer colors in my office or house, the whiter colors for the shop.

This is definitely something you don't send your wife away for to get any old thing. ;) If you need more than a few bulbs you can save a lot of money by ordering online from a place like 1000bulbs.com, even after shipping. They have a lot more choices for colors and lumens too.
 

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I suggest you buy a few tubes of each color temp and see what you like. I also like around 4100.

I agree, I needed 36 bulbs and before buying them all I picked up a few singles of different brands and colors. At first I thought I was gonna want all 5000k, but it really seemed to intrusive to my eye.

I ultimately went with all Philips Alto II 4100k T8 from Home Depot and they have been great, it's been 5 years and I've only had 1 bulb go out.
 

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One thing about Philips Alto II lamps is that they are very dim on cold start up. They are fine if they are in a heated space, but if they are in a 40-50 degree room, they are gonna have to warm up some. I don't know if GE and Sylvania lamps suffer from this same problem.
 
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One thing about Philips Alto II lamps is that they are very dim on cold start up. They are fine if they are in a heated space, but if they are in a 40-50 degree room, they are gonna have to warm up some. I don't know if GE and Sylvania lamps suffer from this same problem.

I've noticed that. We have the Alto's in our office which are probably 95% brightness as soon as you flip them on. The ones in the warehouse are 8' ones and on cold mornings it can take a bit for them to warm up.

I've replaced maybe two of the Alto tubes in the past 6-7 years in our office.
 

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Good work light for most apps. = 4100. I find most colors stay true at this temp
 

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I find that mixing up the color temps helps a lot. There have been studies made of people who work in offices and the color temp is all cool white. Many seem to get headaches in this environment if there is no outside light. Newer ballasts address the cycling but the mono color problem remains. Whenever my wife changes jobs (I don't work in offices, I'd kill the person in the next cubical after a week), I go in and change out half out the lamps in her immediate area to warm white. I also bring a table lamp with a conventional incandescent lamp installed and a dimmer to bring a LOT of low color temp onto her desk.

Often I place a Tiffany style shade on the lamp to project the colors, but that's just fluff.

Just Google "kelvin and moods" to see what I mean.
 

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The regular F32T8 bulbs don't vary that much in lumens, just make sure they are regular 32W bulbs, not the "ES - Energy Saver" which are lower wattage but you would have to check your ballast for compatibility.

Pretty much all 48" T8s are energy saver bulbs. The "old" discontinued standard 48" T8s were 40 watts.


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Pretty much all 48" T8s are energy saver bulbs. The "old" discontinued standard 48" T8s were 40 watts.


Tommy

Not quite. As far as "standard" 4' lamps go, T12 are 40 watts, T8 are 32 watts, and T5 are 28 watts. Energy saver T12s are usually 34 watts, T8s are usually 28 or 25 watts, and I'm not quite sure if energy saver T5s are a thing.

Unless you opt for a high lumen lamp, pretty much all lamps of a similar category (size, color, and power consumption) will be within about 100 lumens of each other, especially for T8s. Energy saver lamps will sacrifice light output and cold weather performance, so the average person here probably isn't interested in them. And unless you are willing to order high lumen lamps from a supplier, you're mostly confined to what Lowes/Home Depot sell off the shelf.

This means you're pretty much choosing based off of color. Color temperatures of 3000K, 3500K, 4100K, 5000K, and 6500K are the common choices. Higher color temperatures are cooler looking light. 3000K is pretty warm and incan like, but if you're priority is matching incandescent light you'll have to hunt down some 2700K lamps. 3500K is a nice happy medium between warm white (3000K) and cool white (4100K), and is my personal choice for lighting a more relaxed space. Next you have 4100K, which is also called cool white. This is probably the most common color, and has been lighting offices for the past 50-60 years. This tends to be the only color you can get at Home Depot in a 30 pack. After that, you have 5000K. This is the color of direct sunlight around noon, and is my favorite for lighting workspaces. It looks good at high light levels, and is good for keeping you alert. Finally, you have 6500K, which is the color of indirect daylight. This is also a good color for workspaces, but some people find it too blue.

I'll briefly touch on CRI (color rendering index) here, as well. T8 lamps are available in two common grades, ~75 CRI and ~85 CRI. Most lamps at a big box store will be the higher grade, the only color the lower grade is common in is cool white (4100K). If you can't find the CRI on the box, you can tell by looking at the lamp code. The first part of the code will look like F32T8/741 or F32T8/SPX50. The F32 tells you that the lamp is 32 watts, but energy saver tubes have the "normal" tube wattage there, not the actual wattage. The next number (T8) tells you the diameter of the lamp in eighths of an inch. The part after that is the color temperature and color quality. The hundreds digit, or letters tell you the CRI (7 or SP= ~75, 8 or SPX= ~85 CRI), and the last two numbers tell you the color temperature. 30=3000K and so on.

This ended up being pretty long, but I hope someone finds it helpful.
 

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