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Does anybody make extended length, ball end , T handle hex keys? Looking for something 12"+ to reach some deeply seated allens on small engines. I do have one single key that is 14" made by Bondhus, but its standard and no ball end. I really only need 4mm and 5mm Metric and the ball end is essential. Id really prefer all the keys to be the same length.

Ive checked the Bondhus, Wera and Elkind and they didnt have any with ball ends that Ive seen. Suggestions preferably for a set?

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I don't know of any ball ended t-handles that long right off hand, but Bondhus does make "hextenders". You buy regular hex ended 4 and 5mm t-handle hex wrenches, add the hextenders onto the ends, and then cut the L legs off of ball end L wrenches and add the long legs to the ends, or buy Bondhus ball end blades and add them on to get the total length you want. You can fine tune the location of the hextender coupling along the shaft, by picking your ideal combination of 6", 9", or 14" regular hex t-handles and ~5.5", ~9", or ~12" long ball end blades to get the 12" minimum total length you want. You can even buy 12" ball end extension blades and then cut regular hex t-handles down so they are only a couple inches long. Couple the stubby t-handles together with the long ball end blades and you end up with a 14"+ wrench that has the hextender coupling 11-12" away from the ball ended tip for maximum accessibility in tight areas.

 
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I was familiar with the hextenders. Not the most elegant solution. Plus cost. Buying a hextender, blade and t handle would make for a $50+ key, the normal 1pc 14" extra long are $15 ea for comparison.

Bondhus makes a 14" T handle key which is perfect, but for some reason they dont make them in ball end. I guess there must not be enough call for them, even Snap on doesnt make extra long ball ends.
 
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Only extra long ball ends from Bondhus are screwdriver handle/driver type.
But those 3 are the only Hex driver brands I would buy.
 

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can you get 3/8 in drive down in there?

I have a set of MAC (so you know it is made by someone else) ball end drivers that have saved my **** a couple of times

on the metric side of the kit it starts at 3, 4 and 5 mm and works up

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can you get 3/8 in drive down in there?

I have a set of MAC (so you know it is made by someone else) ball end drivers that have saved my **** a couple of times

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Not really. I have some 4ish" long 3/8' bits and the fat part is kinda of right in the way. The slickest way would be the 14" T handle but I dont think its going to happen. Right now I just use my 6" long T keys but its a massive PITA because I can only get about 1/4 of a turn before I have to reposition. An example would be trying to get to the carb bolts on a chainsaw, the chainsaw handle is right in the way. 14" would get your T handle clear of the saw handle.

14" long would get the T part past the interference for quicker spinning. Im not dead in the water, just trying to make things a bit smoother. Im just more surprised that nobody out there makes extra long ball end T handles. Youd think at least one of the major manufacturers would. Bondhus must have like 25 variations on the hex key, but thats the one they dont have lol.
 
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$12.99 SKU# XBD4MM
3/8" Drive Speed Hex Driver 4mm

$12.99 SKU# XBD5MM
3/8" Drive Speed Hex Driver 5mm
 

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You could buy the Bondhaus set for about 22 bucks off Amazon, cut the short end off, epoxy it into a 1/4 inch drive socket and use an extension to get the length.
 
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You could buy the Bondhaus set for about 22 bucks off Amazon, cut the short end off, epoxy it into a 1/4 inch drive socket and use an extension to get the length.
Thats an idea, but then Im back to the problem of the socket bulge. Sort of the same as the Hextender mentioned earlier.
 

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My SK 5mm socket measures .463

My Craftsman 4 and 5 mm sockets measure .450 OD

a M5 SHCS (4mm hex socket) is going to have a head that is .334 OD

a M6 SHCS should be a 5mm socket, head is 10MM OD or .393 OD


They have to leave some clearance.... right?
 
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My SK 5mm socket measures .463

My Craftsman 4 and 5 mm sockets measure .450 OD
Similar to the Hextender. Hextender is a 0.38 OD bump in the shaft. Trying to avoid this.

There is another application where I need to get to handle mounts and have to weave the key through some cooling fins. Any buldge more than the actual diamerter of the hex is too much.
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time to get the TIG welder out and make your own
Might have to lol. Not that big of a deal TBH. I can get by with how Ive always done it, just looking for a easier way and thought that some company out there must be making an extended ball end but I guess not!
 

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at those sizes the problem is twist.

If you look at my MAC set in a post above, you'll see the shaft is pretty substantial and the size is reduced at the end

What you are looking for is .196 (5MM) hex stock over 14" .... without it twisting the reduced area (relief) between the shaft and the hex ball when about 15 ft pounds is applied.... the welded area should take the force if done right
 

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You might try keeping an eye out for vintage/no longer made Allen set screw t-handles on Ebay etc. I don't remember if they are made out of cast iron or steel, but they are nice and strong. They are often listed as 609 handles, but technically 609M series handles are what you would want. Metric sizes will be harder to find, because they didn't make nearly as many of them, but they might work well for you if you can find them locally or with a decent shipping cost from the US (since you are in Canada).

After a quick ebay search, I can only find Allen metric t-handles currently for sale in 3mm and 5mm.


If you want to make something DIY using very little labor, buy a couple of those vintage Allen t-handles in SAE or metric hex sizes that are just a little bit too small. Temporarily remove the set screws, and drill out each hex broach to the ideal size necessary to hold a 12" long Bondhus ball end metric hex blade. You would have a functional solution in a couple minutes. A set screw by itself can take quite a bit of torque before a hex shaft will want to rotate, so for the sizes and torques you are dealing with you wouldn't need to worry about the shaft being in a round hole. For example, most wood paddle/spade bit drill extensions use round female holes and rely exclusively on the set screws to prevent the spade bit from spinning inside the extension while drilling. They work just fine as long as you always keep the set screws tight. If you notch the hex blade shanks a small amount so the set screw can get a better bite that would be even better.

It wouldn't be that hard to make your own t-handle from scratch either, even if you only have common tools available. Take a piece of round rod, and drill a perpendicular hole most of the way through it that's sized perfectly to fit the hex shank of your choice. Drill a cross hole and thread that hole for a set screw.

The best purely store bought DIY solution I can think of, would be to buy the 12" long bondhus ball end blades and slip them inside some older style 1/4" drive hex bit sockets. The style that are actually broached for each bit size (not the newer style ones that usually just accept a 1/4" hex shanked insert bit) and also have a set screw or use friction fit to hold the hex shafts in place. Use those DIY sockets along with something like a Craftsman 1/4" drive sliding t-handle (any brand that has a centering notch on the handle bar so it keeps the square drive head centered easily and works well as a t-handle).

I wouldn't recommend anything that requires welding, because I assume you want to be able to quickly change out the blades whenever the ball end tips wear out or break off.

The Bondhus ball end screwdrivers (that vwpieces mentioned) won't work, because even the extra long versions only have about 10.5" long shafts. Many online specs show the length as being around 14.5", but that includes the handle according to the Bondhus site.

Lastly, don't be surprised if any long hex shafts you receive have a bit of a curve along the length of the shaft. It is almost impossible to give a shaft that thin and long a quality heat treatment without it bowing at least a little bit in the process.

Good luck OP.
 

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Not ball end, so not really applicable to the OP, but TONE offers some that are nearly 20".

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remember guys, he is saying that .375 OD of any adapter or socket is too much, it has to be 4 or 5 MM for the length of the shaft, so approx .200"

That rules out just about anything except for making one from hex stock or welding the tip of a ball end to a rod or hex stock that is .200 or less.... and he could bend the top to a T handle of some sort.
 
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You might try keeping an eye out for vintage/no longer made Allen set screw t-handles on Ebay etc. I don't remember if they are made out of cast iron or steel, but they are nice and strong. They are often listed as 609 handles, but technically 609M series handles are what you would want. Metric sizes will be harder to find, because they didn't make nearly as many of them, but they might work well for you if you can find them locally or with a decent shipping cost from the US (since you are in Canada).

After a quick ebay search, I can only find Allen metric t-handles currently for sale in 3mm and 5mm.


If you want to make something DIY using very little labor, buy a couple of those vintage Allen t-handles in SAE or metric hex sizes that are just a little bit too small. Temporarily remove the set screws, and drill out each hex broach to the ideal size necessary to hold a 12" long Bondhus ball end metric hex blade. You would have a functional solution in a couple minutes. A set screw by itself can take quite a bit of torque before a hex shaft will want to rotate, so for the sizes and torques you are dealing with you wouldn't need to worry about the shaft being in a round hole. For example, most wood paddle/spade bit drill extensions use round female holes and rely exclusively on the set screws to prevent the spade bit from spinning inside the extension while drilling. They work just fine as long as you always keep the set screws tight. If you notch the hex blade shanks a small amount so the set screw can get a better bite that would be even better.

It wouldn't be that hard to make your own t-handle from scratch either, even if you only have common tools available. Take a piece of round rod, and drill a perpendicular hole most of the way through it that's sized perfectly to fit the hex shank of your choice. Drill a cross hole and thread that hole for a set screw.

The best purely store bought DIY solution I can think of, would be to buy the 12" long bondhus ball end blades and slip them inside some older style 1/4" drive hex bit sockets. The style that are actually broached for each bit size (not the newer style ones that usually just accept a 1/4" hex shanked insert bit) and also have a set screw or use friction fit to hold the hex shafts in place. Use those DIY sockets along with something like a Craftsman 1/4" drive sliding t-handle (any brand that has a centering notch on the handle bar so it keeps the square drive head centered easily and works well as a t-handle).

I wouldn't recommend anything that requires welding, because I assume you want to be able to quickly change out the blades whenever the ball end tips wear out or break off.

The Bondhus ball end screwdrivers (that vwpieces mentioned) won't work, because even the extra long versions only have about 10.5" long shafts. Many online specs show the length as being around 14.5", but that includes the handle according to the Bondhus site.

Lastly, don't be surprised if any long hex shafts you receive have a bit of a curve along the length of the shaft. It is almost impossible to give a shaft that thin and long a quality heat treatment without it bowing at least a little bit in the process.

Good luck OP.
Nice vintage pieces. Could work if I got the ball end stock, but if I got that deep into it, Id probably just weld a piece of 1/2" round bar to the key as a handle.
 
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Digging a little on my end, it sounds like the factory tool is actually a Whia 4mmx200. But not ball end. Personally I think the 200mm is a bit short and the lack of ball end is a killer. I dont see the factory tool as much of an improvement over what Im currently using. Whia does make a 4mmx350 (13.75") Pn 33438, but no ball end that I see which is a deal breaker for me.

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can you get 3/8 in drive down in there?

I have a set of MAC (so you know it is made by someone else) ball end drivers that have saved my **** a couple of times

on the metric side of the kit it starts at 3, 4 and 5 mm and works up

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Or put those on an extension.
 

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Yup its on the short list. Actually its just as cheap to get the Snapon AWBMCG1600 set as the Eklind. Plus at least on Amazon.ca the Eklind is 3-4 wks out. Availability locally for any made in US ball key is non existent.

Theyre 9" which should be OK I think.
 

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Bondhus makes 12" long ball end blades (bottom of the page). Could swap them into a couple cheap hex bit sockets.


Nice find. I have the standard length set. In that one, and I'd imagine for everything listed there, they are full 1/4" hex shank all the way to the tip grind.

So may be marginal for OP. The other disadvantage of that design is that the smallest few sizes are wildly prone to snapping the ball tip off on account of very little shaft flex vs. drive size, and of a high stress point from the sharply tapered grind angle that necks down to under the ball diameter.

But I am definitely adding the 12" 2.5-5mm to my cart at work.
 

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Nice find. I have the standard length set. In that one, and I'd imagine for everything listed there, they are full 1/4" hex shank all the way to the tip grind.

So may be marginal for OP. The other disadvantage of that design is that the smallest few sizes are wildly prone to snapping the ball tip off on account of very little shaft flex vs. drive size, and of a high stress point from the sharply tapered grind angle that necks down to under the ball diameter.

But I am definitely adding the 12" 2.5-5mm to my cart at work.
These are not 1/4 hex power bits.
They are the hex stock size the full length.
 

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Sure, no power use. This was driving like an M2 or M2.5 SHCS into 6mm of aluminum by hand with the 1.5mm blade in a ratcheting Wiha handle, from off-axis as the ball end design intends. Totally caught me off guard when it snapped. My take it just felt exceedingly fragile.
 
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Ended up with the Snapon AWBMCG1600. Theyre 9" and should do what I want. . Would have preferred longer but lack of availability made up my mind on what to get.
 
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