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What kind?

Way back I wanted one of those mini ones that looked like the small Bosch driver.

Also wouldn't mind a bad *** more powerful cordless as well.

Not sure when I'll get it, but it's on my list. I'm sure the price is sickening but the quality, in my experience of other Metabo stuff, is top-notch.

Experiences with particular models (and any experience with service dept in North America) would be much appreciated.

My 4.5" grinder from Metabo is my favorite. The balance and durability and almost zero vibration is really great.
 
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I don't have any particular model in mind, but for strictly drills, there seems to be only three current. The Powerdriver II and the S18 LT and LTX. The LTX looks like the Hilti SF144, which'll rip your arm off. So I'm leaning toward the LT version.
 

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The new LT 14.4Volt model comes with a quick release chuck. There is also a LTX 18 Volt model with quick release. The new LTX models also come with 3 AH batteries instead of 2.6 AH. Other than these differences and the difference in torque either the LT or LTX should be good drills (metal chuck, metal gear case, electronic clutch, made in germany (tool)). The gear selector is comfortable to switch (odd torque setting selector on top of the tool though), a angle attachment is available. Handle bar can be attached too.


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IIRC the Metabo cordless drills are made in China.

The three (listed in my prev. post) I've seen at a store someone here recommended weren't. Rather, they're Made in Germany. I have to admit that little screw gun that reminds me of the Bosch is a tempting one to get for small projects.

Speaking of China, I did notice that 2 of the 3 drills that HD has from Hilti are made in China.
 

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The Metabo "LT" and "LTX" drills pictured above are made in Germany. The cheap "L" series drill is "Made by Metabo" in their factory in Shanghai.
 

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i work in ship repair. we burned up several Milwaukee drills and 4.5 grinders. then we started using metabo. they are much harder to burn up. good tools. i have no idea the cost, but for my company's use, they replace 2-3 milwaukees. seems the company is saving money on that one.

i personally prefer to use a pneumatic drill tho. a pneumatic drill stops when it catches while an electric attempts to remove your arm when it catches. i also drill holes up to 7/8" diameter in steel and stainless steel in varying thicknesses. i use an ARO pneumatic drill and love it.

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Rockler the woodworking place blew out the smaller Metabo power something a year or so ago and I bought one half price for I think $75. Reasonably powerful, fits in your hand very nice, and the low weight is much appreciated for working over your head. Mine came with two batteries and a 90 degree angle adapter. Very handy for household tasks.
 
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I picked up the Metabo LT model for $100 on flea bay. Made in Germany. Nice balance. First impression is that it's as nice as the Hilti I have.

This drill was lightly used but almost new.
 

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I have the LTX 18 volt twice the drill as my old nicad milwaukee 18 volt. Nice drill and it is getting so hard to find power tools that are not made in china.
 
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What kind?

Good question, they sure do make a lot of them! Various voltage and feature differences (not sure if their TW 110v is different than a GB 110v, may need an adapter for either, or not). I hadn't heard of any until the other day, was looking for a corded drill, and decided (after reading about rpm recommendations for different drill bit sizes) to search for a half inch drill that had a high rpm range with variable speeds, and Metabo came up. Relatively good deal on the SBE 710 here, listed for $100 more elsewhere (or actually it just went up $30 since I ordered it, good timing then). I thought the SBE 900 looked nifty too (after the fact, and it's obviously more popular in Europe). There are at least videos demonstrating Metabos unlike other drills I'd looked at, and I haven't found a negative review for them, so hopefully it will work better for me than the average hardware store stuff (which gets mixed reviews all over the place).

So, to make a short story long, it was between this, that, the other, and a Snauzer (which was $30-something less still), but there's about zero info on it... who's got a Snauzer?

91 sold... someone, surely.
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Anywho, the Metabo cost about the same as a 29 bit drill index I'd found first, made in the US (with a Germanic name), so maybe they'll compliment each other (force wise, I'm guessing the rpm range will work with all the bit sizes, and it has a safety clutch for that matter, lots of reviews for 1/2" drills said this was sorely lacking).
 
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Not any more. I don't know (the point being), looks like they've made a few more drills since then (vastly going beyond the three mentioned here, many are listed on their site). Those range between SBE impact, and BE drill models (where impact have either setting); however, some are not made for all voltages, which is the longer technical variant number following the model number, or that includes how it is packaged also. Not sure if they perform differently at higher voltage, anyone compared this? At least it's something to be aware of if ordering one (as far as compatibility with your outlet, or how simple it would be to adapt). I once looked at a V-Twin air compressor sold in the UK, for higher voltage, that in turn listed a higher output than similar sized ones sold in the US, but these drills seem to have the same specs and rated input power.

By the way, it says the company is 90 years old, or since 1924. Metabo, from "Metallbohrdreher" (metal drill), translation, MeDrill, in English... or that's what I was going for. :)
 
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Also by the way, there appears to be a relationship between the power source and the drill speed, at times. Looking at a blurb from an HD drill press operator manual online, it says:

"SPEED AND WIRING
The no-load speed of this tool is approximately 3,050 rpm.
This speed is not constant and decreases under a load
or with lower voltage. For voltage, the wiring in a shop
is as important as the motor’s horsepower rating. A line
intended only for lights cannot properly carry a power
tool motor."


Alrighty (but aren't lights rated to the same voltage, maybe if I use a headlamp)... I'm guessing the no-load speeds correspond to the drill speed charts, and beyond that the power source or feed rate affect those then (not sure how revolutions at rated load are quantified in specs, given such variables). I just think it's peculiar that half inch drills are out there with much lower no-load rpm ratings than these or a drill press, which you'd think would be designed for every drill-bit up to its largest chuck capacity. Is it common to use 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 inch drills individually for bits sized between each? I don't even think the smaller drills necessarily have as high a no-load rating as the 1/2 inch Metabo. Supposing I compare it to the old drill here, which is most likely lower speed, I'll see if they perform noticeably different from the same power source, without a load... no matter what I still needed another tool, as it isn't my drill, but that didn't give me the impression it was very fast on metal (and I was going from smaller to larger bits), so I'll find out with a new one, perhaps. At least I'm sure new bits will help where a load comes into play, and almost have to wonder now if lower rpm drills are intended to break the little bits (which are typically sold as whatever's the same brand, well they get mixed reviews too, go figure). :headscrat
 
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So, the old standby was a Ryobi D46C, 1100 rpm 3/8" drill, and I compared it to the Metabo SBE 710 (with lights out in the garage to give them as much power as possible). Picking each up, the Metabo is more of a two-handed drill than the smaller one and it's much heavier, as for the difference between somewhat compact tools here. This one came with a keyed chuck as pictured (previously), which I prefer. Other chucks can be ordered separately. The Ryobi one sometimes slips a bit on me, so I'll stick with cranking the more industrial (or unimproved) one tight. Using the same smallish size drill bits (under 1/8", I guess, not the tiniest though), the Metabo was remarkably faster at going though a thick piece of wood, especially on its high gear setting (which gives it around 3x the rpm, and it felt 3x smoother with so much less resistance). It's got a 12 foot long cord too (3x longer perhaps, no make that 3-feet), and this has a ball swivel at the handle for the cord to swing around, so it wasn't flopping about in use. The one I got has a biased US plug (which they don't seem to list as a technical variant, TW it said on their site, well it says US on the plug, apparently a variation then... wait, I see it there now, it's on the spare parts list, not the mauals list, and that totally makes sense)!

Initially I wasn't sure about its settings, even after reading the manual, because I was thinking of them backward, or that's typical for some manifolds, where it shows a drill vs hammer icon, I slid the lever over the drill, and did the same with a lever for forward direction, but ended up hammering through the piece of wood in reverse! Yeah, you're supposed to know that whatever icon is still showing is what it's set on. :dunno:

The manual is for all models too. The higher end ones have a faster listed load speed, while the no-load specs are similar, so that's kind of strange (not sure if their VibraTech handles would act like a turbo boost on those), and the SB 710 drill-only version does not have a reverse setting (was thinking the SBE was lacking that for a minute there, and otherwise it has an all black side handle, reversible also). Some models have dials for speed control, whereas the one I got has high and low gears, and can be varied further with the trigger partially depressed. It can also be locked with a button on the handle (although I didn't think to try locking it partially depressed, which could be useful if it works that way... actually not, so I could probably use a clamp to set it partially).


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Speaking of speed variations, I also tried a German made Schroeder hand drill with a breast plate, which was faster than I expected, enough so to get the bit hot (and why not, the Metabo manual says not to get a power drill wet, so I could use the hand drill in the rain, if necessary). It has two gear settings likewise. I'd say the Ryobi would out perform it about as much as the Metabo outperforms the Ryobi. Another benefit of hand drills is that this one seems to leave a cleaner hole on the back end of what it's drilling through, and works okay vertically with a hand on the breast plate (perhaps why it isn't longer over all). Doesn't seem to go in reverse very well, I just kept spinning it forward and pulled backward to remove it after drilling through. As for the other gear, you have to switch each threaded handle to the other side. Oddly enough, one side of this particular Schroeder has irregular threads that stick against the thumb knob, so I had to add a washer to tighten it ahead of those threads (no problem really, I'll use it on both sides to keep it handy).

I think the German drills are pretty good now, yet haven't compared many others except for their specs (I'd consider the 1/4" Milwaukee magnum at 4000 rpm for small stuff, but don't drill enough to have one of each size, or a faster rotary tool either, they're said to burn out more than they used to). Just thought the Metabo would be a good all around tool for drilling anything (except in all weather), looks like it can handle from 1/16" to over 1" for some materials, and 1/2" for the heavy stuff. I also found tooled steel drill guides in the 29 bit range for more precise work without a press (which this drill approximates at similar rpms). They actually make a press stand accessory for it, but I think the guides should be better in a way, without having to bolt anything down. The hand drill has a 1/2" chuck too, so that would be somewhat comparable in capacity (may have to skip the concrete with that, it didn't come with instructions, just a cardboard box). As for the Metabo case (versus a simple box that some versions come with), it could be done without, or useful for something else, as this drill won't fit inside with the second handle attached. I'd rather not take it apart to store it there... hmm, I think the hand drill would fit it, and a box o' bits. :)
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Just kidding, the big drill will fit inside with the second handle oriented downward (as pictured), along with a drill index, the drill guides, extra hand drill, clamps, etc. It isn't all that thick though, you know (when plastic gets light spots), so it may or may not work out as a total drill kit. Alternately I think a Pelican case would cost me more than this drill, which could not possibly demolish it (that's some serious plastic).
 
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:) Was also thinking about using this drill as a rotary tool of sorts, to hold a grinding wheel (or whatever) hands free. So I wandered around a couple hardware stores today sticking clamps on their display drills to figure out how to brace one gently yet securely in a vise. Ended up with three sizes of handscrew clamps (8, 10, & 12") to hold it, and a 3 inch C-clamp to set the trigger at variable speeds. Also used a pvc T connector between the bottom clamp and the vise to even out the gap between it and the handle, and laid a chisel under the C-clamp to keep it balanced as I turn it one handed in either direction (stuff I had laying around there). The trigger clamp can be slid off quickly if necessary, as it's never really tight. Likewise I tried it on the other drill mentioned, and had the 10 inch clamp above it and behind the handle, due to its different shape in the back, so the third clamp position may vary with this setup. Glad I picked out all the right sizes on the first try too (yes, I know there are simpler ways of securing a drill, but needed some clamps anyway, and this thing doesn't budge). It's right at standing height for me (to reach straight forward), unlike the drill mount I'd seen that would put it lower down (below the belt) on the side of a bench, this one anyway.

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Other than that I may look into staging some kind of protective barrier (full face shield at least) between me and what's spinning in there, or use it at a really slow speed (if that accomplishes anything, besides now having this capability).
 
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I find the LT18's are really good for basic cleaning up of material with wire brushes. I've used the LTX18 for this too. We've got 4 or 5 of them and they work well and the batteries last a long time. A little heavy after a while, but not too bad.
 

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Anybody know where the Metabo bench grinder is made ? I have there variable speed buffer and the 4 1/2 inch grinder, both are great. I think Metabo makes as good a tool as can be had, kinda pricey but worth it. Maybe I've just been lucky.
 

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I guess Baldor is the only U.S. made bench grinder left. Are all there grinders made in U.S. ?
 
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