Richard D
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You NEED a 4 jaw, but will WANT a 3 jaw as well. Four jaw can do all a three jaw can do and more, but slower.
Who's got lathes?
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kmacht
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Check with Joe at Plazamachinery.com for the taper attachment. He has a ton of southbend tooling and is almost always cheaper than ebay. Be sure to call or e-mail if it isn't on his list online. He usually has alot of stuff not listed yet.
Keith
Keith
venturesomerite
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I just picked up a craftsman 101 (atlas 618) for $60. Works, just working on cleaning it up and gonna paint it.
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Nelson58
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All good forums. There are a few non-commercial ones also like mine: www.Hobby-Machinist.com and a few Yahoo groups specifically for the Southend Heavy 10 lathe that you may want to visit as well.
Nelson
Nelson58
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Nelson58
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Joe Bergamo at Plaza is very reputable and has a good selection of chucks for SB lathes.
Nelson
Falcon67
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Just be warned - do not ask about or try to discuss any Chinese/home shop machinery on PM. Home shop American made machines you can get a little leeway on. You'll catch hell or get banned on the other.
Richard D
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Yeah, 9" South Bend is about the smallest lathe they discuss there. But lots to learn regardless.
WILD-BILL
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Recently picked this up.....
Getting the feel for it but I really need a QCTP
Getting the feel for it but I really need a QCTP
red69ss
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Here is my little 15x30 LeBlond Regal Servo shift. Its a fairly modern machine; full inch/metric, 1800 rpm spindle, 2.250 spindle bore. It has a L1 spindle taper and I have a 3 jaw, 4 jaw, drive plate, and the shown 5C collet closer. Needs a readout or at least a trav-a-dial, I get spoiled from work!
This is pretty much the same leblond I used when I worked in the die shop, we had four of them and I thought they were great machines. I know what you mean about the dro spoiling you!
I hope to get one for my home shop one day ,but space and cash are a problem right now.
Nelson58
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I wouldn't call that "little", but it looks like a great machine. Just curious what types of things you guys made on that. It has a pretty large capacity.
Nelson
Nelson58
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Richard is right on the money- a 4 jaw is the most versatile chuck you can have, holds rounds accurately as well as other shapes. You might also want a 3 jaw which is self adjusting, but usually not as accurate.
Nelson
PECVD2
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LOGAN 400 followed me home today. Been trying to purchase this guy for some time.
Kevin54
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PECVD2....If you don't mind me asking, what did you have to pay for the Logan. I can get one very similar to it, but the guy is wanting $1500 with all the attachments. I'm thinking that is high, but around here you can't find mills or lathes
mrbreezeet1
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Don't seem like many around here either.
I gave $500.00 for mine with a good bit of accessories.
But I thought I got a pretty good deal.
I gave $500.00 for mine with a good bit of accessories.
But I thought I got a pretty good deal.
PECVD2
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Kevin, I have been talking with this guy for several years about the |ogan. He called and said 400 but I need it gone today. Extra tooling and a big box of scrap metal. I now have my little TAIG for sale if. Anyone is interested.
Shadowdog500
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LOGAN 400 followed me home today. Been trying to purchase this guy for some time.
Good for you!
Im jealous!:thumb up:Chris
E.Marquez
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PECVD2 - Great score
Kevin54- Welcome to my issue as well.. Hard to find anything in my part or any part of TX between a 3phase monster and a Chinese HB Freight cheap.
$1500 for that Logan would have to include a LOT of tooling, fixtures and such to be worth it to me..
I have a small Smithy now, .. tooling, set up, holding, ect pieces and parts have cost me double the cost of the machine tool.... So knowing that.. I'll do $2-3k on the right package, lathe and tooling.. .. Just not found it yet.
Kevin54- Welcome to my issue as well.. Hard to find anything in my part or any part of TX between a 3phase monster and a Chinese HB Freight cheap.
$1500 for that Logan would have to include a LOT of tooling, fixtures and such to be worth it to me..
I have a small Smithy now, .. tooling, set up, holding, ect pieces and parts have cost me double the cost of the machine tool.... So knowing that.. I'll do $2-3k on the right package, lathe and tooling.. .. Just not found it yet.
jessadamessa
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Richard D
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Quick change gear box?
Kevin54
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I have a 1946 Monarch 10EE toolroom lathe.
Seeing that you are in Ohio, I can take some of that machinery off of your hands so you can make room for something else in there.
I tried
Seeing that you are in Ohio, I can take some of that machinery off of your hands so you can make room for something else in there.
I tried
Ha! Now that I have a few pieces, I wonder how I ever got along without them. The mill, lathe, and drill press get used fairly often when I have a project going.
Here's a view looking the other direction. There's a valve grinder, a brake drum/disk surfacer, a grinder, buffer, and a smaller drill press.
Sorry about how blurry the pics are. The shutter speed is a bit slow.
Dale
Steve from Socal
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Kevin54
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Aberdale....you have a nice setup there 
Steve...out of curiosity what do you do that you need a lathe that long for?
Steve...out of curiosity what do you do that you need a lathe that long for?
Steve from Socal
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Hi Kevin,
It will mainly be doing shaft work, some of the screw presses we are looking at have 6-8 foot shafts. The other thing is I needed a lathe with a decent swing and power, this lathe will turn a 22" diameter part and has 20HP. You can do pretty good small work on this lathe it has a 1750 RPM top speed and all the best attributes of a toolroom lathe.
This is my medium size lathe in the master plan, a 2516 or 3220 swing with 180+ inch center distance is a mid term goal. These will be doing plant support for our seed oil plant as well as hopefully several other heavy industries in central Kansas.
Steve
It will mainly be doing shaft work, some of the screw presses we are looking at have 6-8 foot shafts. The other thing is I needed a lathe with a decent swing and power, this lathe will turn a 22" diameter part and has 20HP. You can do pretty good small work on this lathe it has a 1750 RPM top speed and all the best attributes of a toolroom lathe.
This is my medium size lathe in the master plan, a 2516 or 3220 swing with 180+ inch center distance is a mid term goal. These will be doing plant support for our seed oil plant as well as hopefully several other heavy industries in central Kansas.
Steve
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Torque1st
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It is surprising that most of us live with tools suitable for working Stone Age materials (wood, etc). Some of us have tools suitable for working with Iron Age materials (steel, Aluminum, etc). Then a very few have tools suitable for working with new Composite Age materials (**fiber**, plastics, adhesives, etc).
I am obviously no historian but I did stay in....
Torque1st
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There is a lot of big machinery capabilities down in Wichita and a surprising amount already in Hutch, Newton, McPherson, and Salina. The last I heard there was a huge Monarch down in Wichita.
It is surprising that most of us live with tools suitable for working Stone Age materials (wood, etc). Some of us have tools suitable for working with Iron Age materials (steel, Aluminum, etc). Then a very few have tools suitable for working with new Composite Age materials (**fiber**, plastics, adhesives, etc).
I am obviously no historian but I did stay in....
Torque1st,
Good observation. I can relate since I have a wood shop in the basement, and the machine shop shown above.
In a past life I worked in the composites industry. Mostly thermoset polyesters, epoxies, phenolics, and vinyl esters. Mostly fiberglass reinforced, some limited carbon fiber. I worked at Owens Corning's tech center for 5 years, then went to Ford Truck where I had responsibility for designing composite components (hoods, aero fairings, chassis fairings, etc.) and getting them into production.
Dale
Steve from Socal
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Yup,
It is amazing how much really big machinery is around here, I remember when L.A. was like that too!
Steve
kngkong
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Nice Monarchs! 
Just moved this Colchester in last week
The Southbend behind the Mill is on its way out. Will miss the little cast iron beauty.
Just moved this Colchester in last week
The Southbend behind the Mill is on its way out. Will miss the little cast iron beauty.
jessadamessa
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Sure is! Gave her a test run last night: made some axle spacers for a motorcycle I'm building. Love it!
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gandalf23
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Head east a bit to DFW, there are lots available here.
Dad bought a Clausing several years ago at an auction, then found a Monarch 10EE for sale on PracticalMachinist.com, so he bought that and loaned the Clausing to my brother-in-law's dad. Then a friend we met through a local home shop machinists group sold dad his two Clausings, I am "storing" one in my shop since dad is out of room
, and he kept the turret one for himself. We also both have little Swiss made Unimats we bought off craigslist. I had a 6 inch Atlas I bought off craigslist, but I traded it for a 5x8 trailer. I figured I had enough lathes, but I didn't have a trailer. We also have four or five wood lathes between us. (anyone need/want a good Delta commercial/industrial wood lathe?) 
(my garage is not that empty anymore, this was taken right after I bought the house)
The cheapest metal lathe we bought was $100 for one of the Unimats. I think the other was $150. $400 for the Atlas. I'm not sure how much the pair of Clausings was as we bought quite a bit from the guy and it was a package deal. The first Clausing dad bought was $2000, and he overpaid for it. The Monarch was $5000.
While not lathes, right around the end of last year I got a 3d engraver for $300 and a Southbend Mill, I didn't even know they made them, for $200. That was off of Practicalmachinist.com, too. Both came with collet sets. Make sure you get any collets for any older machines, sometimes they are weird/proprietary and hard (expensive) to find.
I have been to several auctions where manual machines, mills, lathes, grinders, went for scrap metal prices, because shops want CNC stuff. Drill presses usually do not go cheap at auctions because _everyone_ can use a drill press. Same with four inch Kurt vises, everyone snaps those up and they go for more than retail. But the six inch ones? Hardly anyone bids on them.
Don't worry too much about not being able to load what you buy, there is usually a rigger at auctions who can load your truck or trailer. One of the best things we did was install a electric hoist and trolley over the driveway when we remodeled my parent's house. Makes unloading stuff _real_ easy.
Not everyone has that option though
Another thing we did was build a portable a-frame stand for a chain hoist. Now when we see an ad for something we want where they specify we have to load, or bring your own forklift, or something like that, or we go to an auction and buy something heavy where there aren't riggers, or they're crazy expensive, we can assemble the stand, pick up the item, drive the truck under it, and lower it down. Easy peasy. When not in use it lives in my backyard and doubles as a swingset.
As other people have said, it's the tooling that costs. While I have not done this for a lathe, we did buy a Gorton Panamill at auction solely because we wanted all the tooling. (I'll make you a great deal on a Gorton 3z!) If a lathe looks crappy, or too big (or small) for your shop, but the price is right and it comes with a lot of tooling it might be worthwile buying it, then selling just the lathe. Assuming that the tooling will work on the lathe you end up getting.
So to sum up: check craigslist.org, practicalmachinist.com, local home shop machinist clubs/groups/meetings, local auctions, and the classified ads for older machines with tooling. Also look in nearby cities or the next major city over, might be good deals there. We went down to New Braunsfels (about four hours away) twice for an estate sale that was two houses full to the brim of machine tools! (too bad the heirs had thrown out _all_ the thousands of machining related books prior to us heading down there.)
Richard D
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Keep on the lookout for more $100 Unimats. I got one for free. I then looked them up on eBay. Going for upwards of $850!!!!
Falcon67
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Ahh, that's a bench model.
- I was looking on craigslist (thanks to this thread popping up again!) and there is an oil field 120" model for sale in Texas. Youzer!>Head east a bit to DFW, there are lots available here.
I watch craigslist in TX, OK, NM and LA. If there is one, I always seem to be late to the party. But still - there are very few home shop size items that show up. All the money is in the shop right now anyway. There is a guy up in Archer City with a couple of what looks like 12x36s for an OK price of $1500. But the same or similar lathe can be had new for around $2000. So that's not such a deal IMHO. Plenty of big guns out there - I can get a big Warner M-1200 turret lathe, 480V 3 phase for $400 locally.
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mrbreezeet1
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OK QCGB, can't tell from the picture, does it have the automatic apron, or is the longitude feed through the 1/2 nut?
My Logan is only through the 1/2 nut, kind of wish it had the automatic apron.
mrbreezeet1
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"I can get a big Warner M-1200 turret lathe, 480V 3 phase for $400 locally. "
Will you chance the motor, or can you run 3 phase?
Will you chance the motor, or can you run 3 phase?
Falcon67
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I have no use for a machine that size LOL. It weighs around 3500 lbs. There was a bunch of huge 3 phase machines at the local Art Carr Performance Products auction - none I'd have space for. I think the smallest had a 7.5HP 3 phase on it, that's a BIG motor. They went fairly cheap though.
Richard D
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Not new USA made.