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brats.n.harleys

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Who here has a metal lathe? I'm looking to get one off craigslist. Ive seen the new ones and they just don't seem tough enough. Id like to get an old south bend or similar. Some on craigslist go for about 500 (that would be the one I'm interested in) Question is, it seems like I would use it a ton,(mostly motorcycle fab parts, bungs, shaving lower trees).

How often do you lathe owners use yours? Was it worth it to buy? And how much did you get it for? Pictures would be awesome.
 
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Had a SB - 9C for about thirty years. It gets used ocassionally, looks like it is making some bushings in this picture. Paid $400.



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EDIT.. Looks rather bare bones here, but it has the taper attachment, 3 and 4 jaw chuck, tool post, most of the gears, a threading dial and other misc. stuff.

Also have a 9A and a 9B that came out of a school shop for $100. Mostly complete with motors and drives, but no tooling or chucks.
 
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I have a small south bend (9" swing and about 30" bed). I bought it for making gun parts but it is also useful for car stuff. It's too small to turn brake drums or rotors but that's OK for me. You will likely find that you use it 10 times more than you THINK you will just because once you have one, you start to see things and say "hey, I can MAKE that". If you buy a bare lathe you can easily spend as much or more for the tooling so get keep that in mind when determining value. I would like to get a bigger one and have it in the shop (the one I have is in my gunshop in the basement) but I don't know where I'ld put it, the shop is too small already (40X60).
 

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I got a southbend 10 with a 36 inch bed taper attachment 5c collet etc. I paid 500 for it with some tooling. I work in the shop as my job full time I use it for 2nd ops for some parts off the cnc or for work for a few local farmers. They are handy to have if you got room for one. Im actually looking to get me a bigger monarch style gear head lathe and sell the southbend
 

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I have an older Atlas that was probably made in the 70's. 10" I believe. I use it a fair amount, mostly for making tooling. Guide drivers mostly.

It can go for awhile without being used but when I do need it I"m glad its there.

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I started out with an old Craftsman 6"X12" lathe and played with it a bit . I upgraded if you can call it that to a HF 7"X12" lathe ( it is much more precise than the craftsman was ) . I am looking at a 12x36 Atlas but will most likely end up with a 9-12" Southbend as they are a much better Lathe . I will say if you are looking at Southbends be willing to spend a little more to get an A model and not a B or C model . The A models came with a quick change gear box built in . The B and C models required you to change the actual gears depnding on what you wanted to do . I agree get one as wel equiped as you can from the beginning as tooling and things like Chucks get pretty costly pretty quickly . The Southbends also had a milling attatchment that would let you do some light milling with it and if you can get one with that attatchment spend the extra . That attatchment alone will set you back $250.00 to $500.00 to get one on ebay .


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I have three South Bends and a Clausing,

Got the first ones when my dad and I ran a gunshop, made all manner of parts and tools, now it is used in some small scale production work and lots of tooling.

You'll be amazed how often you use it.
 

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mines a 1920s or early 30s lathe, used to run off a steam engine ceiling rail, converted to electrical in the 50s. pain in the *** to get setup accurately but it does the job. got this one for $200 big ones.
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You all ****! Lol. I think I would be good with a 9". And definitely looking for some tooling included at least to get started. Just emailed a guy about an ad for one "sold as parts". Says it doesn't work but seems to be all there. I have a very small garage so I didn't wanna get one if it was gonna be a "use it once a year" type deal. But it seems like I'd have a lot of use for one.
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Guess I'd have to go on that bench. Drill press would have to find a new home.
 
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Just got a SB 9A with a chuck and some tooling for 550 of craigslist 3 weeks ago.

Have stripped, cleaned and am reassembling now.

Absolutely invaluable is this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rebuild-Man...ultDomain_0&hash=item230a60e89f#ht_939wt_1165

Guy sells a WONDERFUL manual that walks you through it along with what to look for in buying one. Kit includes all the felts and bits you need to rebuild.

Add some paint stripper, some paint, lots of elbow grease and you can have it looking great again.

Kit and manual are worth every penny!!!

Ric
 

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Ive got a 13x40 Enco. I know it's a Chi-com but I love it, I also use it WAY more often than I thought I would. Just last night I made a pair of wheel hubs for the push mower. new wheels would have cost me $40 this cost me about $0.40 of steel. I'm working on a set of dimple dies right now about $35 in steel retail cost over $700. I gave $700 for it at auction, and about another $400 in tooling so far. I overpaid but all I needed to do was wire it up and turn it on. Keith
 

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Lathes!! I love lathes!!

It started out innocently enough … an old farm tractor brought back from the fence row. Then another … and another. Then, a few machine tools to make the restoration work more interesting … and, towards that end, I’ve ended up with two lathes and several other machine tools. The current flagship of my small fleet is a Hendey General Purpose No. 1 x 30 (12” x 30” btc) lathe.

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This lathe was built in 1954 and originally sold to the Babcock & Wilcox company in Barberton, Oh. It has a 12” swing and is 30” between centers. This thing is a beast! It is incredibly heavy and smooth as silk to run. The following photos were taken the day it arrived in my garage and it looks rough, but is really in very good mechanical condition. I paid $800 for it and that included a 3-jaw chuck and a Sjorgren collet chuck with collets. I use it to make the odd bushing now and then, bore out miscellaneous gears, pulleys, etc., and make miscellaneous parts for whatever project needs a unique piece or two.

Could I get along without it? Sure, but my projects would be a whole lot less fun!

All went well with this Hendey until I stumbled onto another lathe that was one day from the scrapper! And although I’ve never come even close to reaching the capacity of the Hendey lathe, I suffer from “iron disease” and lusted after a bigger machine to “save”.

Through an odd series of “lucky” circumstances I ended up buying (for what I thought was a reasonable $900 price) a 17” x 8’ bed LeBlond Regal (slightly over 18” actual swing and about 56” btc). The lathe was in nice condition and came with some extras ... taper attachment, steady rest, micrometer stop, Aloris tool post, 3-jaw chuck, spindle clutch and a 5 drawer tool cabinet full of stuff. Ways looked good and carriage feeds are snug. Again, pics were taken the day it arrived “home”.

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This LeBlond is currently sitting along the wall of the workshop and has not yet been set up … another project for another day!

I guess that I’ve gone a long way to say that a lathe is a great tool to have and if you enjoy machine work you will never regret buying one ... and if you pay a reasonable price you can easily resell it later. The important thing to note … as you can see from my two purchases … is to shop around!! In the Northeast old lathes are plentiful and relatively inexpensive, but out West, I’ll bet they are scarce and expensive. MOST IMPORTANT, make sure you educate yourself on how to evaluate an old lathe before making a purchase … many of them are worn out and are JUNK.

The small South Bends, and comparable Logans, are usually in high demand because their smaller size is great for a home shop. But if you have the space, the larger lathes are often a much better deal (but usually have 3-phase motors). And don’t overlook the cost of tooling … this can add up real fast! So, if you can find a lathe with lots of tooling and accessories it will be far more desirable than just a bare machine … and this can, of course, significantly impact cost.
 

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You all ****! Lol. I think I would be good with a 9". And definitely looking for some tooling included at least to get started. Just emailed a guy about an ad for one "sold as parts". Says it doesn't work but seems to be all there. I have a very small garage so I didn't wanna get one if it was gonna be a "use it once a year" type deal. But it seems like I'd have a lot of use for one.

Whatever you do DON'T buy any used lathe until you read up on how to evaluate a used lathe and you PERSONALLY inspect it!! Otherwise, you might end up with a boat anchor!
 

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South Bend light 10 here. Mine is a 48" long bed or "gunsmith's" style. I think I paid $1K for it.

As to how much it gets used, in my case the answer is, not frequently. BUT when you need a lathe, there is no substitute, as they say. They do take up a decent amount of shop space, that is for sure.

I also have a tiny Sherline lathe (model makers type lathe, sometimes called a "micro" lathe) and that thing is extremely handy when working with really small parts. I can't tell you how many times that thing has saved the day.

The South Bend forums on Practical Machinist will have you reading for days:

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/south-bend-lathes/
 
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mines a 1920s or early 30s lathe, used to run off a steam engine ceiling rail, converted to electrical in the 50s. pain in the *** to get setup acuratly but it does the job. got this one for $200 big ones.

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Like that overhead drive set up...plan to do something similar to my SB, they are such space wasters.
 

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My father in law has a 14x30 gearhead buried somewhere in his garage, under a bunch of tarps. It's supposed to be coming to my garage when he digs it out, since he hasn't used it in ages. I work in a machine shop for a living, so I'm not exactly dying to have one at home, but it will be nice to work on my own things at my own time.
 
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South Bend light 10 here. Mine is a 48" long bed or "gunsmith's" style. I think I paid $1K for it.

As to how much it gets used, in my case the answer is, not frequently. BUT when you need a lathe, there is no substitute, as they say. They do take up a decent amount of shop space, that is for sure.

I also have a tiny Sherline lathe (model makers type lathe, sometimes called a "micro" lathe) and that thing is extremely handy when working with really small parts. I can't tell you how many times that thing has saved the day.

The South Bend forums on Practical Machinist will have you reading for days:

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/south-bend-lathes/


Well there goes my day at work tomorrow.
 
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I have my dads old SB. Its a 36 inch bed I think It has a 3 jaw and a 4 jaw but a crummy tool post set up but somehow it has managed to save the day time and time again. It does not have the QC gears and I have never tried to cut threads on it but it has turned out plenty of bushings, collars and speciality fasteners over the years. I Use it a few times a month, but as others have said, it seems to be more about what would you do without it than what you do with it!
 

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Well, I can tell you what NOT to buy. Don't get a 3-in-1 machine! Mine was super-cheap (and worn out) so I was willing to accept the many sacrifices, but if you're serious about machining then you should probably spend a little more up front and get what you really want.

Here is my machine - I've made a shift knob, some spacers and some other little widgets. I would use it more often if I could do threading or even if it had powerfeed.

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too bad you are not closer, i have an atlas that been in the back of the shop over ten years, just sitting there
 

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I started with a Made in China Smithy Mill/Drill/Lathe similar to the one in mikeatrpi's post. They aren't great, but looking back I made a lot of parts on it. The fact that I was able to make a lot of parts that are NLA justified moving up to a more professional lathe.

I now have a Monarch 10EE tool room lathe. It was built in 1946 and is 3 phase, but it's like owning a Cadillac after using a cheap Chinese lathe.

Personally, I think a cheap Chinese all-in-one machine is great to learn on. It's versatile in that you can use it for a lathe, a milling machine, and a drill press. They're cheap and can be found on CL. They are a bit underpowered, so the motor will stop or the belt will slip if you screw up and get something jammed. I see that as a "safety feature" when learning. It sure beats having a 3-5hp machine throw 10 pounds of metal across the shop (or worse).

Since your shop is small, you may like the versatility of an all-in-one, and they don't take up much space. If you take care and make light cuts, they will do most of what a bigger machine will do, just slower. The key is using sharp cutters. And the milling function is also quite useful.

I learned a lot on mine, and sold it after 3 years for the same amount that I paid for it.
Just something to think about.

Dale
 

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If you look toward the end of my build thread below you see some of the tools I have acquired. Both of my current lathes are Sheldon. Sheldon is one of the unsung heros in the used market and where a heavy ten from SB will bring a couple thousand the Sheldon will be half that and just as capable. If you can find a good R series Sheldon you have a near top tier lathe. Logan is also a good homeowner lathe.

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I have 2 - a 11x37 Rockwell and a 12x36 Clausing - both are what I consider perfect home machines. Here's a shot of my Clausing with a 392 Hemi crank I was polishing and also truing up the crank pilot. After this fire drill I definitely wouldn't consider going smaller. The thing is I NEVER intended to put a crank on one when I got them, but as you use these things more you see more and more possibilities.

It's a very rare week when I don't use one of them for something!!

I paid DIRT for the Clausing - it needed a pulley repair - which I did on the Rockwell :)

The chuck was worth what I paid for the whole thing.

You'll be surprised at how many uses you end up finding for these things once they're there!!
 

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I have a Dashin Prince - I never heard of it either - but i the exact same lathe Grizzly sells as their tool room lathe for ~$7k. It was from an estate sale and I got it for $1200. Great lathe! You just have to look around and not be in a hurry. You get a lot more for your money with a 3 phase machine and it is easy to make a rotary phase converter or get a VFD

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Mine is a Craftsman (Atlas) 12x36 that I picked up for a song. I built a steel topped bench for it.
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It is really nice being able to turn a small part you need, when you can't buy one.
 

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2 South Bend 9's and a Sheldon 13. Got about $2000 invested in all of them and don't regret one penny of it. Well worth the money. Use them a couple times a week.

John
 

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I use the heck out of my 9x20 HF unit. Worth what I paid (right at $500) even with it's limitations. If I had known how much I would use it, I would have bought (and will one day) a 12x36 model like the Grizzly 4003G.
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You would also do well to have one of these in your arsenal of tools. Or something similar.
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G0519 3 phase square column mill-drill.

>The thing is I NEVER intended to put a crank on one when I got them, but as you use
>these things more you see more and more possibilities.

THIS ^^^^ !!!!

I started modifying some #6 AN fittings to use braided steel hose for transmission lines on my race C4 3 speeds. Now, thanks to my bitty lathe I have sold my humble little parts all over the world.
 
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I have both a mill and a lathe. Like others said; you will find many uses for them. I would also agree with getting the biggest one that you can afford or fit. Here are mine. I was given both from one of my mentors that was retiring from his machine shop business. These were his home tools.
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man i havent EVER seen a small mill for sale. id love to get one. i refuse to buy a china **** tho. at my old job we used to have this old 1950s v belt bridgeport mill that was like 5 feet tall, and i used the hell out of that thing! one day... one day....
 

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man i havent EVER seen a small mill for sale. id love to get one. i refuse to buy a china **** tho. at my old job we used to have this old 1950s v belt bridgeport mill that was like 5 feet tall, and i used the hell out of that thing! one day... one day....

Well that is ^^^ is Vintage China, It is a Jet, I think Grizzly makes a similar one today. That is a early 1970 something Jet Mill. It works well, but does not stack up to a Bridgeport. I love it and use the hell out of it.

Joe
 

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I started with a 11x44" bench top Sheldon. A wedding gift of sort, disassembled in boxes and rust. So my primer in operation was cleaning and figuring out how it went together. That was a great lesson and I would consider taking it apart and letting it sit so my son and daughter could have the same experience when of age. There are times when that lathe sees more use than any wrench here. I found some SB legs, put a metro rack beneath it for all of the stuff. Over time I began to determine where its errors where, fixed what I could. Converted an ancient taper attachment for it. One of the first parts I made for it was a new cross feed nut. I adapted many chucks for it. Adapted a steady rest. With time the spares pile up. Heavy, heavy stuff. It has turned car axles, titanium skateboard truck axles, auto disk brake brackets, bushings, bolts, you name it. It's true, the lathe is the greatest tool.

My second is a massive "small" Axelson 16x54" weighing in at 7500 lbs. I got it cheap, its bed has wear. It was made in Los Angeles 1944 yet is metric. I purchased with the intent on doing some big metal spinning for a project. Took the saddle apart, there it sits. Over the course of time I've found numerous chucks and tooling for it. Then I found lathe #3 and decided I needed space. Tried to sell it for cheap but although I was being sold as a "not running project" the CL buyers all wanted to know if it was working...so I was about to scrap it as the scrap rates were more than what I could get for it...and then I came up with project that that-size machine would be perfect for. So now I have to just get more efficient with the space I guess.

The third lathe is a Monarch 10ee. I have never dreamed I would own one of these. Saved from the salvage yard, dated 1949, rebuilt in '79, and was running in a one man machine shop until 4 years ago and stored since. Proof that these kinds of finds are out there, become your local old machine nut and they almost find you.

As much as I am dear to the "as found machine puzzle" described in lathe experience #1, try to buy a machine that has low hours or that someone has really cared for. Confirm that it's good and spend. Really needy machines can start to consume their operators, you will exist to fulfill their needs.
 

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A lathe is not something that you use every day or every week, but it is indispensable when you do need it. Once you have one you will never be without one again.

I picked up one of the Seig 7X14 mini lathes from the Cummins truck a few years ago. After I tweaked it and put a quick change head on it it is great for small stuff, as long as you don't go crazy with deep cuts. It has never failed to make something that I wanted to make. I do plan to get a Bigger like a south bend or Monarc some day but will probably keep this for small stuff. People knock these but they sure come in handy for small stuff.

Here is a Photo and a link to a video I made of the Quick change accessory kit from MiniMachine Shop


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I am on the verge of installing one in my garage shop. It is a 20/24" x 60" 7.5HP version of this one: http://www.lathes.co.uk/voest/

I have to finish my 5/10/15HP RPC to power it. I just upgraded my home electrical service to 200A just so I could run a 100A subpanel for the RPC.

I also have an older 1.5HP Taiwan benchtop mill that must weigh 500# with a ton of tooling. I also have an older drill press and a variety of other machines. Once you have the capability to power 3-phase machines you find many machines you 'need'.
 

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My dad has a Old Craftsman/atlas lathe, 53" long overall so I think that works out to s 36" bed. Real nice lathe. Not as fancy as a new one, but it can do more than we ask it too.

I'm going to be building my own going to use the "gingery" lathe as the basic idea, I figure a 24" between centers should be fine for what i've do, normaly the big cman is working on small parts. going to weld and bolt up the rail out of steel and then machine it on a mill instead of casting AL and hand finishing it.
 

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Mid 40's,Wade 8A setup for 5C collets.....and a Grizz Toolrm 13-40Z(metric threading).They're just about perfect for our shop.Go over to friends if anything bigger's on the menu.At the minimum they get sveral hrs a weeks use.....at most,it'll be 3-4 hrs a day.The lathes are runnin about dead nuts equal to milling machine time here.Good luck,if and when you get the right size/package to fit the scope of work in your shop.....you'll never be without one.BW
 

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OK I have considered buying a lathe for sometime because there is always something to make that requires a lathe,..but I slept thru that high school class 40 years ago.

Seriously where would a guy go to learn how to use a metal lathe to its full capability?
and youtube does not count..
 

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Seriously where would a guy go to learn how to use a metal lathe to its full capability?
and youtube does not count..

Why not for the basics? Check out MrPete222 youtube site. He taught shop for years and does a pretty good job teaching it on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/user/mrpete222#p/u/28/_yBSZJSNRKA

Im fortunate enough to have access to a machine shop and two experienced machinists who give pointers when I run into problems.

Chris
 
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